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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a running joke in my practice
Wherein I state unequivocally to a somewhat condescending young individual (which happens all too frequently) that all of us older folk owe a debt of gratitude to this young generation for inventing alcohol, illicit drugs, popular music, and sex.
I read the same concerning the advent of populist racism and hate. Here is a tiny portion from Wikipedia concerning Governor George Wallace of Alabama:
Since this was decades before the Internet, I dont think many younger people realize how incredibly popular this segregationist, avowed racist, and incredibly charismatic politician was in America. If you do nothing else today, in terms of political reading, just go to wiki and read his Entry. Most people either have no recollection or never knew that when he was not allowed to be elected for another term, his wife ran and was elected and was the titular head of the government where, as the First Gentleman, long before Doug Emhoff, he ran the state. Later, he won many presidential primaries and ran in 68 and 72 with frighteningly substantial success.
As an aside, I was sitting in my dorm room in college and a guy walked past and said Hey, did you hear George Wallace was shot? My response was, Ooh
is he dead yet ? Wallace was vilified by every thinking person in the country, but make no mistake, he had incredible popularity at all levels, and in the strangest places.
And as another aside, many years later, I met a man whod been sent to do business with him for the Office of Educational Opportunity, who said that behind the scenes, Wallace was incredibly receptive as effective proponent for everyone in the state, including the black population. The guy told me that the hypocrisy was overwhelming, and that it was the greatest professional shock of his life.
Anyway, my point is that this has been percolating for decades and exploded with the election of President Obama. We are a nation in turmoil.
EYESORE 9001
(25,973 posts)was eerily reminiscent of my reply when a coworker told me that Reagan had been shot. I watched the blood drain from his face and then return with enough force to make him blush. Mine was a spontaneous, from-the-heart response - cold-blooded though it may be. I cant apologize for something that I dont feel one bit bad about.
Maeve
(42,288 posts)When Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson was running for president in the 1950s, a supporter purportedly said to him: "Every thinking person in America will be voting for you." Stevenson replied, "I'm afraid that won't do I need a majority."
I remember our neighbors were Wallace supporters, but otherwise seemed to be good people--but then, we were white, too, in a rural (white) area with virtually no people of color ....(none in the school system at all)
And hey, I thought we Boomers invented alcohol, illicit drugs, popular music, and sex!
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hatrack
(59,592 posts)But yeah, to your point, people forget that while Strom Thurmond won four states in 1948, twenty years later, Wallace won five.
PCIntern
(25,582 posts)Wallace was popular in suburban Philly. Signs in many areas.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Almost three years later, George Wallace was shot in Laurel, Maryland in the parking lot of a supermarket.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/governor-george-wallace-shot
To this day, I can't think of one without the other.
3Hotdogs
(12,406 posts)"The Rebel Outlaw, Josey Wales" and "The Education of Little Tree."
Little Tree (fiction) was the story of an orphaned Cherokee boy and the life lessons his grandmother taught him. It is sympathetic to Native Americans and was a juxtaposition to his racist views. It was found in school libraries throughout the U.S.
It was published under the pen name, Foster Carter so people had no idea that the author was racist Asa Earl Carter.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Yes, I lived through the Wallace years as a resident of AL. His popularity was scary. And there are STILL colleges named after Lurleen B. Wallace in AL.
America has always been a nation in turmoil....it's just more reported now.
Lonestarblue
(10,063 posts)Republicans were absolutely livid that a black man sat in the Oval Office, a position reserved solely for white men. I confess that I was not an Obama supporter when he challenged Hillary, and I still believe that had Hillary won the nomination and chosen Obama as VP, we might have avoided some of the nastiness we are seeing today. I think Hillary would have won in 2008, and Obama would have gained some valuable experience as VP, which would have made him an even greater president. Monday morning quarterbacking!
Rebl2
(13,551 posts)thought that too for some time now. I voted for President Obama twice and then Hillary when she was the presidential nominee.
patphil
(6,207 posts)Even more so when he was reelected.
Although we now stand on the edge of the abyss, as the forces of love and darkness struggle for the soul of America, I feel Obama's Presidency was the best thing that could have happened.
The evil was always there just below the surface, and it was inevitable that some day we would have to confront it and make that heaven or hell decision for the future of, not just our country, but all of humanity.
You can see how far-right, facist movements have taken over governments all over the world. Humanity suffer from a lack of love, and it seems to get worse each day.
One of the most important reasons for the existence of Humanity is to learn the lessons of love. Without love we just exist, as a song once said.
But actually, without love we run the very strong risk of not surviving as a species.
shrike3
(3,783 posts)He says, "I came back to a different country." He believes what you believe, that a black man was just too much for a certain portion of our electorate to take.
I'm afraid I do not believe Hillary would have won in 2008. Hillary hate just ran too deep, even then. I supported Obama over Hillary because I believed a black man was more likely to win than she. Sad, I know.
demigoddess
(6,644 posts)and got reelected. They thought Obama would take their guns away from them, and every president in the future would be black.
usonian
(9,867 posts)and sex. but they actually have been around for some time.
As for Wallace, I remember that time, but Wallace later repented his racism.
Modern racists will probably take their hate with them to the grave.
And just what if Saint Peter is not as they imagine, but
DFW
(54,436 posts)I'm talking about people like McConnell, not MTG or other newbies too inexperienced to know the real lay of the land.
Even the old pal of Hitler and Mussolini, Spain's Fascist dictator Francisco Franco, told his successor, King Juan Carlos, before he died: "you will be able to do things I never would have been able to do." Franco had been a savagely brutal dictator, hiding behind his ideology and his religion to rationalize a thirty-plus year riegn that started out as a brutal and lethal (to dissenters) reign of terror. When the Second World War started to go the "wrong" way, Franco declared "neutrality," in order not to suffer the same fate as Hitler and Mussolini. His street smarts allowed him to not only survive, but become a member of NATO. By the time I lived there, although he was still in power, Spain had become a bored, listless fascism, almost bursting at the seams to join the rest of Europe, which it did right after Franco was gone.
Alabama, of course, does not have a France on its border, and Mississippi and Tennessee aren't exactly role models a neighboring state would find advantageous to emulate. But one fine day, even Alabama will dare to recognize that even their state will one day have to give in to the aspirations of the most creative people who live there, or else lose them. So far, they seem to have been content to lose them, but I can't imagine this will be eternal.
3825-87867
(855 posts)that the many from Brokaw's "Greatest Generation" wanted to ban (not from themselves!) alcohol, drugs, pop music and sex and control minorities and people who didn't agree with their beliefs.
So, yeah, stupidity and racism isn't just a stigma of a current or recent generation (not sure about the future ones).
Sadly, we do have the power to begin to erase or minimize racism (not too sure about stupidity), but too many are too apathetic - "Hey, it doesn't affect me. Why should I be concerned?"
This isn't just a fork in the road, it's an American Pothole before the fork with rather bumpy travel around it.
Current time seems to be a significant turning point in the future history of this nation.
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)Who don't know *checks* what is regularly taught in American History at the high school level.
Whatever would we do if people didn't relentlessly condescend to us so? Thank you! Tears of gratitude.
Source: Am Millennial who learned about Wallace in high school.
PCIntern
(25,582 posts)The vast number of Americans have no knowledge of this chapter either because they never Learned about it, were not paying attention, or in denial.
And as far as condescension goes, you cannot imagine what I have had to deal with from SOME members of your generation with respect to that which I might know about, including but not limited to, music, art, film, professional athletics, fashion, style, literature, and philosophy. One acquaintance was very surprised that I knew what the cocktail Manhattan was, since they had only just been created recently.
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)Just talk about Wallace.
The preamble with shitting on younger people is unnecessary.
It feels like I'm having this conversation every three days. Are there guidelines posted somewhere I don't know about? A points system? Like, "Unnecessarily work in why Gen Z sucks, +10 points"
I'm all for it. Just feeling a little excluded if there was a pamphlet no one mentioned.
PCIntern
(25,582 posts)Shitting on the parents, the schools, and the media. Its not your fault. Not entirely by a long shot. The past is not being treated as Prologue.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)That's all. Reading your OP as a gen-x person, it just made me roll my eyes as another piece of someone doing the same routine, same as it always was.
shrike3
(3,783 posts)Around the time of the BLM protests, young people I know sincerely thought African-Americans were upset about being enslaved so many years ago. "Get over it," they said. They knew nothing of Jim Crow, segregation, the lynching era, Rosewood, Tulsa, black GIs getting frozen out of the GI bill, etc. They sincerely thought it was all about AAs not being about to "get over" slavery. And I'm not blaming them. They've been failed by the educational system, their elders, etc.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)There isn't a single word in your post about parents, schools, or the media.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)Is the example you chose for political racism.
His racist position is unquestionable, but I would think a different choice would be highlighted on Democratic Underground.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)Strange comment.
70sEraVet
(3,512 posts)Today's racist politicians (too many to name, but DeSantis comes to mind foremost) have Fox News.
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)I grew up on the southwest edge of Chicago near Midway Airport in a white working class neighborhood.
Out of 26 students, I was one of two who voted for Humphrey.
Six voted for Nixon.
18 voted for Wallace.
PCIntern
(25,582 posts)Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)MLK's assassination was a very sad day for family. When I went to school the next day there was an air of celebration among my classmates, the prevailing sentiment being We finally got him!
DET
(1,324 posts)I used to have to travel to Dothan Alabama for a company project a long time ago. Wed pick up a car at the airport and drive into Dothan. The first thing youd see leaving the airport were signs for George C. Wallace Community College. It was disturbing then, and its even more disturbing now.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)outstanding documentary of the Rise, Fall and Resurrection of George Wallace. Trump literally stole Wallace's playbook. One of the greatest political documentaries in history-albeit about a man I detested
You can find it free on Youtube