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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 06:24 PM Feb 2023

Does anyone else consider the casual acceptance of cruelty and dishonesty by supposed "political

consultants" and campaign managers offensive?

I know I am a dinosaur and "things are different now", but I think some things should be constants: honesty, decency, empathy and tolerance, just for starters.

I am dismayed to hear well-known political commentators explaining that "some" Republicans are suggesting that their candidates abandon the MAGA/Q-ANON extremist views, not because they are cruel and built on lies, but because they LOST elections for those who adopted them in 2O22.

Think about it.

If blithering fascist idiots like Oz and Walker and Lake had WON last year, their disgusting "Trumpisms" would be considered perfectly acceptable and candidates who wanted to WIN would be counselled to parrot them.

I don't know. Maybe my vintage idealism is actually foolish naivete, but I would sure like to hear the concepts of right and wrong discussed now and then when campaign strategies are being hammered out.

Just sayin'------

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Does anyone else consider the casual acceptance of cruelty and dishonesty by supposed "political (Original Post) Atticus Feb 2023 OP
we have pretty much lost our way as a species NewHendoLib Feb 2023 #1
All my faith now remains with kairos12 Feb 2023 #7
We need to shed the myth that Conservatism is just another political ideology... Caliman73 Feb 2023 #2
Great post. raccoon Feb 2023 #3
👏👍 nt Atticus Feb 2023 #5
Not a dinosaur, nor..vintage idealism..just we find ourselves in a very ugly asiliveandbreathe Feb 2023 #4
What gets me is the ease mercuryblues Feb 2023 #6
Hammer meet Nail... MustBeTheBooz Feb 2023 #8

NewHendoLib

(60,044 posts)
1. we have pretty much lost our way as a species
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 06:32 PM
Feb 2023

of course there are exceptions - such as those here at DU. But we tend to think deeper and harder and try harder.

It's why I like dogs much more than people these days.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
2. We need to shed the myth that Conservatism is just another political ideology...
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 06:50 PM
Feb 2023

that has some different policy perspectives. The leadership of the Conservative movement (so maybe not many voters) see the world in fundamentally different ways than liberals and progressives.

Conservative leaders fundamentally believe that US society should be hierarchical in structure with a more rigid class structure, no matter how much they lie about "individual freedoms" and other stuff they spout. They don't care about the size of government, about fiscal responsibility, about "family values", etc... They care about having and using the power of government to impose social and economic control over a population they believe is inferior and needs to be ruled by force. Sure, they were much more "diplomatic" in how they expressed themselves in the past because if you just came out and said, "You people are stupid and need to be told how to live, and We are going to do that by force if necessary" they would have been completely destroyed as a political entity. Remember that neither the Fascists in Italy nor the Nazis in Germany, nor Pol Pot in Cambodia came in and just started killing people. They rode in on a message of populism and transformation. They did some good things before their full and true agenda was revealed.

Conservatives tried to kill the New Deal before the ink was dry on its signing. They actually tried to take FDR out of office. Several Conservative Congress people actively worked with the German government to subvert our Democracy during WWII.

I don't think it is naivete. I think that it is a history that VERY FEW Americans actually know about. I certainly did not know about it in high school and I took Honors and AP courses in History and Government in the 1990's. We have been convinced that both of our traditional American political parties are working toward a more perfect Union and that we only differ in how we want to get there.

Our side (Democrats / Liberals / Progressives) is actually at least trying to make a more inclusive society with the ideals put in the Constitution as a guide. We are by no means perfect, but we are trying. Republicans / Conservatives have a completely different idea on who even qualifies as an American and what our society should be about.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Not a dinosaur, nor..vintage idealism..just we find ourselves in a very ugly
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 07:05 PM
Feb 2023

place..and those with the ugly rhetoric megaphone..get the attention..boy oh boy, did we ever dodge a bullet in AZ..they do seem to expose themselves, though..

I am heartened by the young activists in Mississippi..

https://www.msvotes.org/about/who-we-are/

mercuryblues

(14,578 posts)
6. What gets me is the ease
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 07:23 PM
Feb 2023

they speak of their hatred and immoral policies.

When politicians have no problem saying that it would be better economically to let abused children die than to treat them in public, WTF do they say in private? Not to mention these are self-proclaimed "pro-life" representatives.

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