Daylight Savings Time - Where do you stand?

[11 Bravo]

I could make an argument for any of the options in my poll, but I wonder how DU feels.

105 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Make it year round
	21 (20%)
	Do away with it altogether
	63 (60%)
	Continue with Spring Forward, Fall Back
	21 (20%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Coventina]

1. Here in AZ we don't use it.

And I like it that way.

[boston bean]

2. Approx 4pm darkness sucks the big one. I hate it.

[Celerity]

55. Come to Sweden and feel the 2 PM darkness starting here in Stockholm, when standard time starts

and then really starts to kick in.

Or basically no true daylight in the northern part of the country for a month or so (polar night), lolol.

Northern Norway and Finland are even worse.

Regions within the Arctic Circle go into polar night early December and will stay there for a while – up to 179 days right at the pole. Polar night is when the sun does not rise, but in most cases in the Arctic Circle it manifests in permanent twilight, getting darker the more north and the closer to the pole you go.

'Noon' in Svalbard in January. It is the large Arctic archipelago belonging to Norway. It displaces more of the surface of the earth than Great Britain when you count the waters within its furthest land borders for the 6 largest parts (Spetsbergen, Nordaustlandet, Edgeøya, Barentsøya, Vitön, and Prins Karls Forland), not even counting its more remote smaller islands:



same scale

[W_HAMILTON]

3. I always get confused on which is which.

I wish we would just stay on whatever we are on right now. I like it when it gets dark super early in December/January.

[Ohio Joe]

4. Honestly... I don't care...

Now that every clock I have auto changes, I don’t even notice it.

[Bettie]

47. Same here

it isn't really a huge deal to me.

[Carlitos Brigante]

5. Would "Do away with it.." keep the time change starting next Sunday? If so, yes!!! nt

[Wounded Bear]

14. Not to me it doesn't. That means don't make the change this year...

or any year thereafter.

I'd stay on standard time year round.

[Carlitos Brigante]

18. I see. I changed my vote then. Nothing worse than those cold ass, shorter days in Chicago. nt

[Rebl2]

24. Same

Standard time year round

[Wounded Bear]

37. I suspect there is a geographical facet of this argument...

People in the southern half of the country don't realize just how fucking short days are in winter. Shifting the clock even farther into the wee hours of the morning in the dead of winter at 48 degrees north latitude would really suck.

[Polybius]

48. It's weird to want it to get dark an hour earlier in the Summer

No thanks, sun will go down after 8:30.

[Ace Rothstein]

50. Also better than a 4:15am sunrise.

That's what time the sun would rise in Chicago for about 2 months every summer. Hard pass.

[Ms. Toad]

6. The first two options are essentially the same.

I don't care at all where the clock is set. Just stop messing with it twice a year.

It would be helpful to have that option, since the poll doesn't have a single option I could choose over the others. My choice would be NOT option 3.

[Celerity]

54. When standard time comes here, it is horrid, as the darkness in Stockholm (and it is even worse

the further north you go, Stockholm is fairly far south in Sweden, see the map below) soon starts to come at 2 or 3 PM. Also, now (until we go to DST in a few weeks), as the months flow by, the sun starts to come up so so early. It already has been starting to get light around 5 AM to 5 30 AM , whilst still starting to get dark around 430 PM to 5 PM. I hate it.

The whole 'oh the children need to the light to go to school in the morning' argument is bullshit, as even with the fall-back to standard time, it is still dark out for months when they go, and it would eventually be completely light out, even on DST, like it is now.

I so so want year-round DST.

[Deuxcents]

7. One way or the other.. just get it done

Not everyone will be happy but get over this nonsense. It’s not healthy n it’s a pain in the a$$

[louis-t]

8. I would like it to stay light later all year.

I do hate waking up in the dark, though.

[keithbvadu2]

9. Another survey

[hlthe2b]

11. If we do anything, science argues for keeping STANDARD time year-round, not DST.

That isn't included as an option, I don't think--although maybe that's what you mean with the choice "Do Away with it altogether?"

[jcgoldie]

12. please provide link to said scientific arguments

thank you

[hlthe2b]

15. I am working and it isn't hard to find via google. However, from Sleep experts:

(American Academy of Sleep experts)

https://aasm.org/american-academy-of-sleep-medicine-calls-for-elimination-of-daylight-saving-time/

American Academy of Sleep Medicine calls for elimination of daylight saving time

DARIEN, IL – Public health and safety would benefit from eliminating daylight saving time, according to a position statement from the American Academy of Sleep Medicine.

The AASM supports a switch to permanent standard time, explaining in the statement that standard time more closely aligns with the daily rhythms of the body’s internal clock. The position statement also cites evidence of increased risks of motor vehicle accidents, cardiovascular events, and mood disturbances following the annual “spring forward” to daylight saving time.

“Permanent, year-round standard time is the best choice to most closely match our circadian sleep-wake cycle,” said lead author Dr. M. Adeel Rishi, a pulmonology, sleep medicine and critical care specialist at the Mayo Clinic in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and vice chair of the AASM Public Safety Committee. “Daylight saving time results in more darkness in the morning and more light in the evening, disrupting the body’s natural rhythm.”

The position statement, published online as an accepted paper in the Journal of Clinical Sleep Medicine, outlines the acute effects of daylight saving time, which range from increased risk of stroke and hospital admissions to sleep loss and increased production of inflammatory markers, one of the body’s responses to stress. In addition, studies show that traffic fatalities have increased as much as six percent in the first few days following the change to daylight saving time, and a recently published research abstract found an 18 percent increase in adverse medical events related to human error in the week after switching to daylight saving time.

“There is ample evidence of the negative, short-term consequences of the annual change to daylight saving time in the spring,” said AASM President Dr. Kannan Ramar. “Because the adoption of permanent standard time would be beneficial for public health and safety, the AASM will be advocating at the federal level for this legislative change.”

In July, an AASM survey of more than 2,000 U.S. adults found that 63 percent support the elimination of seasonal time changes in favor of a national, fixed, year-round time, and only 11 percent oppose it. Additionally, a 2019 survey by the AASM found that 55 percent of adults feel extremely or somewhat tired after the spring change to daylight saving time.

The AASM position statement on daylight saving time has been endorsed by the following organizations

ASM found that 55 percent of adults feel extremely or somewhat tired after the spring change to daylight saving time.

The AASM position statement on daylight saving time has been endorsed by the following organizations:

American Academy of Cardiovascular Sleep Medicine
American Academy of Dental Sleep Medicine
American Association of Sleep Technologists
American College of Chest Physicians (CHEST)
American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine
California Sleep Society
Dakotas Sleep Society
Kentucky Sleep Society
Maryland Sleep Society
Michigan Academy of Sleep Medicine
Missouri Sleep Society
National PTA
National Safety Council
Society for Research on Biological Rhythms
Society of Anesthesia and Sleep Medicine
Society of Behavioral Sleep Medicine
Southern Sleep Society
Start School Later
Tennessee Sleep Society
Wisconsin Sleep Society
World Sleep Society.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

17. Seems to be focusing on the effects immediately following the change, not the entire period of DST.

[jcgoldie]

22. Unfortunately a simple google search as you recommend...

Yields nothing remotely like scientific consensus. Here's a couple of links but there are plentiful others arguing both ways based on both environmental and health grounds (the primary health benefit being increased exposure to sunlight year round offsetting the circadian rhythm argument you cite.)


https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a18011/in-defense-of-daylight-saving-time/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-saving-times-save-energy/

[hlthe2b]

29. You're welcome. I took the time to provide you a summary presented to the CO state legislature

including all the groups who signed off.

Obviously, you didn't take the time to read it and my efforts with time I didn't have were not appreciated. I will not bother next time.

[jcgoldie]

31. My point was simply that there is no scientific consensus

And there are multiple facets to the debate not just sleep studies. A google search provides a myriad of sources on both sides and addressing many aspects. Perhaps I should have responded with that initially rather than asking for sources. Sorry you feel your time was wasted. Have a good night.

[Ms. Toad]

39. Unless I'm misreading it, the AASM is focused on eliminating seasonal times -

calling for "a national fixed, year-round time" rather than on which version of time (DST or ST) is used. In other words, pick one and stick with it.

Am I missing something?

[11 Bravo]

13. I intended the "do away with it" option to mean keeping standard time year round.

[hlthe2b]

16. Okay... That is the recomendation of health/sleep experts.

see my other post

[twodogsbarking]

19. I like DST. It's just a clock though. Humans can be odd.

[Blues Heron]

20. I think daylight savings as we have it now more closely aligns with the natural rhythms

Most critters follow the sun’s natural progression and get up earlier in the summer which is what dst is intended for. No animals get up at exactly the same time each day of the year.


Keep it or experiment with not doing it either is fine with me.

[phylny]

21. Daylight Saving Time is a pain in the neck for

workers, parents with young children and babies, and pet owners

[Rebl2]

26. I think

the sun would still be up past ten at night on DST during part of year.

[Rebl2]

23. I prefer

Standard time. Doctors say it’s better for our body. Don’t know that I completely understand why, but they know better than me.

[canetoad]

25. Not a fan of DST

Early riser, I love to be out with the dog the minute it's light.

[Polybius]

49. I'm the opposite

I like 8:30 sundowns in the Summer. I don't care about dark mornings, since I sleep till 11 anyway.

[electric_blue68]

27. I 🧡 love DLS. Didn't choose bc my inclination is for Permanent DLS but I've seen posters talking...

previously about so dark in the morning for school kids if that happens. That concerns me.

At least for me in NYC I love our long 🧡 lit evenings!
I especially hate the sun setting at 4:30 - 5:30 between late Nov through around Feb something.

I have S.A.D. (Winter, there is a Summer variety it seems) so it really lowers my energy level in general.

Doing the 'spring forward' switch didn't bother me too much even when I was working. Though once in a while I'd feel weird going to sleep relatively soon after the sun set 8:30PM ish only 4 hours later vs 5 hours.

[patphil]

28. I'm not a morning person, so I'm just fine with having more daylight after supper.

[AllaN01Bear]

30. we in california have tried to get rid of dst via initiative votes but that seemed to get no where

or overulled in the state house or the courts .

[hunter]

32. It can go to hell.

If I was Emperor of Earth there would only be one time and everyone would have to adapt locally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time

[Raine]

33. I hate it. 👎 nt

[Hekate]

34. Don't care what you call it: just normalize one time system for the whole year

[Grey]

35. I say---

split the difference and adjust our clocks by half an hour and stop all the fuss.

[electric_blue68]

41. I have thought of that as a compromise.

[Renew Deal]

43. Some locations are 30 mins different.

Mostly in Asia and parts of Australia. I think that's too confusing.

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html

[Raine]

52. THAT would be the very best compromise. 👍 nt

[Zeitghost]

36. The switch

Makes the most sense. Aligning the standard work day to the daylight hours makes the most sense.

[Golden Raisin]

38. Just pick one and stop the biannual clock-changing.

My personal preference would be for Standard.

[haele]

40. Only reason for Daylight Savings is to add an hour for shopping and tourism.

All the old saws about adding an hour for school kids or farmers wasn't what it was about. It was a Chamber of Commerce initiative to keep people out later when there was more sunlight so as to spend their way to a better local economy, especially after the rise of automobiles made it more convenient to stay out later.

Haele

[Kaleva]

57. I appreciate the extra time in the evening to do outside work

[Renew Deal]

42. I'm not as motivated by this as other people

I understand why it is the way it is and I don't think it's a big deal. If it changes, it should probably be standard time all the time because kids would have to go to school in the dark during parts of the year.

[Silver Swan]

44. When I moved from western Michigan to Chicago in 1968

I moved from the western part of the Eastern time zone to the eastern part of the Central time zone.

I have come to love the early sunsets in December. I look forward to them every year. I would hate to give them up. I would also NOT enjoy the late sunrise in the winter that would result from year round daylight savings time.

I have let my congressman know of my feelings more than once, but have never received a reply.

[llmart]

45. Here's another thought

I think daylight savings time is just another example of humans trying to control Mother Nature. If we don't like it that part of the year it gets dark so early or that little Johnny and Susie might have to get on the bus in the dark then maybe we should examine some of our cultural norms. Is it really true any longer that work is 8-5 and during the light of day? Maybe re-examine school bus schedules?

We saw during the pandemic and the last couple of years all sorts of accommodations made to the work force and schooling, some of the changes will just stay with us such as the working from home option.

I guess if I had to choose it would be keep standard time all year long, though I'm retired and just go to bed and get up whenever regardless of the time on the bedside clock.

[Polybius]

46. Continue with how it's always been

It's all I've ever known, I don't want it to change.

[Meowmee]

51. It is always a hard adjustment for me...it messes me up every year

Meaning I never get back to any kind of normal for me. I would like it abandoned for good. I prefer the time system which gives more light later in the warmer months here, without any change each year, to stay in place all year.

[betsuni]

53. Like it, don't like waking up at 4:30 a.m. in summer to full daylight and heat.

Bad.

My parents were idiots and every year until we children were old enough to know to reset the damn clocks on our own, they'd arrive at church an hour early or an hour late depending on the season. Morons.

[Kaleva]

56. I can get more outside work done in the evening

I'm an early riser but I don't care for starting work at 5:30 am.

[Conjuay]

58. Howz bout

we move it one half hour and leave it at that?

neither one or tuther

[Emile]

59. Just do away with it!

[area51]

60. Definitely not a fan of DST.