Willis told us weeks ago what she is going to do. She said it in court.

[fightforfreedom]

The lead juror in the special grand jury told us they recommended over a dozen indictments. She told us there were other phone recordings of Trump. She told us people were granted immunity. She told us the charges were serious.

When people like this tell us something, we should listen, understand, and believe them.

[Srkdqltr]

1. I hate to say: we have heard this before

Haw many times in the last few years have we been told that the proof is there, than nothing . They are going to prosecute, than nothing.

[SpamWyzer]

2. I would have hoped

that by now, we at DU would have patience for the actual workings of DOJ investigations. They don't announce, they don't play media games, they don't titillate with tweets about nothing or someone's opinion. REAL investigations follow the clues, they take time and in order to have any chance of succeeding, the case must be air-tight and the methods the DOJ uses to gather information and evidence are not a matter of public knowledge or discourse. I understand the desire to see justice meted out to the deserving, but doubting an investigation we actually know extremely little about is counter-productive and demoralizing too. Perhaps we should be patiently quiet and wait?

[Srkdqltr]

3. That is what I meant. You said it much better than I could.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. +1. Have to wait regardless. Patience is for health of self. . . . nt

[Joinfortmill]

19. Agree 100%

[Beastly Boy]

14. Evidence does not indict. Grand Juries do.

And here, for the first time, jurors who apparently recommended indictments said that they recommended indictments. A huge development.

Still, this is hearsay, and this is coming from a special grand jury. Special grand juries do not indict. In this case, Willis will make all the decisions on how to proceed. It is likely that she already made them, but we don't know that.

This is not nothing by any means, just like the proof being there was not nothing. But it is not yet an indictment.

[LiberalFighter]

26. We haven't had reports like this. That close to the action. There is a difference.

Too many are gloomy and think results happen immediately. That is not how it happens. Ever!

[panader0]

30. 'then nothing'. Than is used like a comparative, as in "This is better than that."

Then is like a time thing. "First there was something, then there was niothing."
Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

[Firestorm49]

49. After all that we've anticipated over the past years, I'll believe it if and when I see it.

[Baltimike]

4. and soon, it will have been MONTHS ago, and then YEARS ago

and not one thing will fucking happen.

It's been YEARS now. Literally. YEEEEEEEEEEEEARS

I won't believe one fucking word of this shit as anything other than lip service until I see it.

But I won't, and you won't either.

So far, I've been right about this. For years.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. "not one thing will fucking happen", and then it does. You can be right now but wrong long

It is foolish to attempt to write history before the fact, as you are attempting here.

[Baltimike]

9. Oh, how I *wish* I were wrong. "And then it does" already hasn't.

And I won't believe one fucking word of this until it ***actually*** happens.

And to be clear...not "unlawful parading" or some low level staffer...an. actual. fucking. indictment.

It's been YEARS, I've been right about this for YEARS.

You guys are waiting for Godot.

[Beastly Boy]

20. I hereby grant you your wish.

Fifteen traitors have already been indicted for seditious conspiracy, Two found guilty.

Calling them "low level staffers" is blatant self-deception. Seditious conspiracy is a very rare and serious charge. The "staffers" were the leaders who planned and organized the violence. Hardly low-level by any reasonable standard.

You are wrong. Plain and simple.

[Baltimike]

27. Nice try. No dice.

at least not yet. The proverbial fat guy in the basement who formed a gun tootin' boot scootin' hate group with his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl, getting charged with felonies is NOT self deception at all. That's just silly. Were the buck to stop, would YOU think justice was served?

Show me the indictments. The REAL ones.

[Beastly Boy]

40. Like I said, self-deception.

Here is what seditious conspiracy is, as per 18 U.S. Code § 2384:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
You have to be willfully ignorant of the code to refer to those charged with it as "fat guy in the basement who formed a gun tootin' boot scootin' hate group".

And here, as per your request and for your viewing pleasure, are the indictments and guilty pleas. The real, once in a decade ones. :

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/leader-proud-boys-and-four-other-members-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-an-0

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach

Now, let's see, what do I think?... Hell yeah I think justice has been served! And it continues to be served as we speak and deny it has been served.

[Baltimike]

42. like *I* said, Two brothers Darryl does NOT justice make.

no matter how badly you want to pretend it is.

[Beastly Boy]

60. Again, are you serious about justice or are you just posturing?

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Because if you are serious about justice, two brother Darryl, whatever the hell you mean by it, is an unequivocal, undeniable, indisputable example of justice being served. I don't have to pretend it is, it is. Factually and on the record.

If, on the other hand, you have your own interpretation of justice and are bent on denying that 18 U.S. Code § 2384 exists regardless of your wishes, by all means, go ahead and keep your blinders on.

[Baltimike]

94. Please see post #9

Also, I have said what I said in *MY* posts...not what you try to twist it to be.

This feels like Fitzmas all over again. Some of us are old enough to have lived through that.

Oh, and Larry and his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl? Here ya go.

[Beastly Boy]

95. I saw your post #9. I responded to it, as I did to your other posts.

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Your attempt of running this conversation in circles is noted, but it doesn't add any sense to your responses.

To quote someone you may be familiar with, nice try, no dice.

Show me that you are not just posturing, or at the very least your most elementary understanding of what justice being done really means. Not what you imagine it to be.

[Baltimike]

96. Dude, I don't need to show a g-damned thing...

and like I said, although I note your attempt to marginalize my stance, I stand behind it.

No posturing...show me the posturing...there isn't any. I was very clear: It. has. been. YEARS. and. still. nothing.

The proud boy asses you reference as justice is just so LAME. And I am pretty sure you know it.

Show me Trump's indictment. Otherwise, as much as you hate it, and I do too, this is just a slow walk (and you know it)

Like I said, and STILL say: until Trump is indicted, it's just Fitzmas all over again.

Or the Mueller Report...

Or her email investigations...

Or Obama's birth certificate...

Or Florida 2000...

Or Clinton's zipper...

Or Iran-Contra...

Again, while I realize imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I would have to first be wrong to have no dice.

So...NICE TRY...NO DICE ***and*** Justice delayed is justice denied.

Facts are facts. It's been YEEEEEEEEEARS and it's all just *so bad*, Trump won't be indicted.

No matter how you slice it, right now, I'm right...and there's not a god damned thing you can do about it.

Whinge away!!!!

[Beastly Boy]

97. Sure you don't have to. But you just showed me something very telling.

You showed me that you choose to be oblivious to facts and are incapable to mount a halfass decent defense for your postiring. And, of ourse, by doing so, you made it absolutely clear that you are indeed posturing and intend to keep doing so.

Despite getting a link to 18 U.S. Code § 2384, (which I now suspect you never even read), and despite getting a link to the records of all the Darryl brothers indicted and convicted on this charge alone that absolutely, unequivocally, undeniably, indisputably prove you wrong, the only response you could muster was "I don't need to show a g-damned thing". That's a pitifully impotent response to the factual record of evidence you now, if you never did before, have at your disposal!

And I got your message already, loud and clear: since you have no facts on your side (demanding I show you anything do not remotely constitute facts), you are determined to keep running in circles with your fact-free bumper-sticker memes and claim you are right. Mmm... kay! Since you are doing such exceptional job proving my point, there is indeed no goddamn thing I can do to top your resounding success in this endeavor. Go ahead, knock yourself out. My input is no longer needed, and frankly, I get easily bored with circular narratives.

Sure you are right. Except you can't point to anything other than your imagination that even hints to you being right. Enjoy playing with yourself, if that's your thing.

[Baltimike]

98. Nice try. No dice. (again)

I can't be oblivious to facts when I am IN FACT, correct and there's nothing you can do about that except whinge.

Show me the TRUMP indictments...you can't because they don't exist

Please don't pretend that the brothers Darryl's indictments for your precious 18 U.S. Code § 2384 means fuck all...it absolutely doesn't...no matter HOW many times you try to insist that it does. Scooter Libby went to jail too...it was part of W's and Cheney's slow walk. Absolutely NOTHING happened to them. NOTHING.

You may choose to be that obtuse, but I don't. You may THINK you can change my position...but you can't.

Justice delayed is justice denied and right now, as I type this, fuck all NOTHING has happened to Trump. The brothers Darryl don't mean shit, and you know it...most of the others only charged with "unlawful parading" and other minor slaps on the wrists when they erected a gallows.

Nope. You STILL don't get to piss on my boots and tell me it's raining.

[Beastly Boy]

99. I can't change your position? No shit!

Facts can't change your position either. And your position doesn't change the facts. Are facts that obtuse too?

You have facts of justice being done staring you in the face, and your opinion of them is that they don't mean jack shit as far as justice being done. Because... justice denied! So justice not denied is not justice? Sure, in your mind. Do you even realize that you are judging justice only as it presently applies to a select small group of individuals? Evidently not. Are you aware of the abject ignorance of the law it takes to apply your markers to individuals that, whatever you may think of them, have only been subjected to YOUR judgement in YOUR court of law and found guilty by YOU? Evidently not.

Frankly, your do-it-yourself therapy sessions are getting way too tedious and repetitious. If you want any more attention, find yourself a different thread. Have a happy life.

[Baltimike]

100. The FACT is that this has already been slow walked, and Trump

is STILL not indicted. For anything.

THAT is a FACT, and you still think something trumps that...it doesn't.

[stopdiggin]

33. +1. can understand frustration

(even if I don't necessarily agree) But 'frustration' does not extrapolate out into a false narrative. That's where I have to say, "No."

[Baltimike]

43. I hope and pray that I am wrong, but so far, for YEARS now

it isn't a false narrative.

It's the truth

It also isn't new. From Iran-Contra to Jennifer Flowers et al, to "Gore won in 2000 but they managed a hat trick anyway" to Ohio and Ken Blackwell's stunt, to 'Thanks Obama" to her email to Putin's 'put-in-office' to Jared Kushner just about fuck all everything to Let's go Brandon, they ALWAYS fucking get away with it

It just Fitzmas all over again

[BlackSkimmer]

48. Yep. nt

[stopdiggin]

84. sorry. not buying.

are there problems? failures? inequities? Oh, hell yes. (as, I might add, is true for virtually every system and social network the world around - and through every age) Does that mean that, "They never get anything right ..", "They always get away .." NO - it does not. And the fact that you choose to see the world through that sort of sooty lens - that's on you. But it's no more a 'fact', or 'truth' - than saying "all men are pigs and creeps."

People are being investigated - people are being prosecuted - people are being hauled before grand juries for testimony ... I'm sorry that you are not satisfied. But what I won't endorse is you making a blanket statement that it all means 'nothing.' That's a distortion of the real picture - and simply not true.

[Baltimike]

87. broadbrush much? Justice delayed is justice denied

I said what I said and I stand behind it. YOU can describe my clear vision as a 'sooty lens' all you want, and twist that logic pretzel of a post any which way you want.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

While Larry and his two brothers Darryl might be facing some music, so far NOTHING has happened to Trump.

It's. been. YEARS.

I dgaf about "people being investigated"...that's another 'punt down the road'. Show me the fucking INDICTMENTS for FELONIES against Donald Trump. I'll even settle for just the ones he committed on live national television.

But please stop trying to piss on my boots and tell me it's raining.

[stopdiggin]

88. so now we're back to quoting bumper stickers

and moving the goal post.

'Unless it is being done to my satisfaction .. " Nothing is being done - and anything that might be being done counts as nothing, and doesn't matter. Because - 'Trump!' 'Felonies!' 'Handcuffs!'

Understood. But - that's the world you choose to live in - and as you choose to see it.

[Baltimike]

93. Nope. Please stop broadbrushing

I said what *I* said...YOU are trying to say I moved the goal post.

Justice delayed *IS* justice denied whether it fits on a bumper sticker or not.

FACT: Trump has not been charged with jack shit and it's been ***YEARS***. No amount of complaining YOU do about my clear sight of that FACT undoes it as a fact.

You're welcome

[LiberalFighter]

28. So many are negative about it because it is not happening now.

Another key is breaking the witnesses so they testify. It doesn't happen overnight and never has.

[Baltimike]

44. Not that's it's not happening now...it's been YEARS. It's not happening EVER

Witnesses may not testify overnight, but it's been YEARS...not overnight...THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF NIGHTS

[LiberalFighter]

62. Years? For some prosecutions. Like what he did before he was President.

You lump everything into one basket. What Jack Smith just started just recently. What is happening in Georgia started in early 2021. The New York deal is only happening because they could finally get the documents needed and testimony.

You forget that Trump uses delay tactics.

[Baltimike]

63. Yes. YEARS.

and Trump using delay tactics...the conservative press rewriting the narrative and ALL of the rest of it, is just more slow walking

It's. been. YEARS

[Miguelito Loveless]

7. I will listen

when actual indictments are handed down.

[lonely bird]

8. Ms. Willis is not the DOJ

That being said I am certain that she is moving forward. The problems, imo, are that she or anyone else investigating the Apricot Asshole should not make any statement saying indictments are forthcoming or imply to media especially that Trump’s comeuppance is near and as the time narrows down to 2024 the chances that tfg will sue and end up in front of his packed SCOTUS increases.

[jaxexpat]

10. When/if there is a prosecution is not the biggest issue.

That distinction goes to an explanation of why it has taken so long. It's a good thing it's not important or that the culprits remained free and unencumbered, effectively fighting to control and delay the result. We could be in deep trouble if it were.

[Cheezoholic]

11. All I know is when it happens

it better be airtight. If the Fat Man gets indicted and wins, it's over.

[Joinfortmill]

21. Exactly

[Samrob]

12. No matter what Willis does, the actual findings of guilt or innocence will ultimately be in the hand

of a Trump appointed judge. The power to dismiss, overturn and wait out the next election is not in her hands. I want all of us to keep the pressure on and not give up. Citizens be ready to impeach a few judges. If we love country more than party be ready for the fight to get us to the polls and to go to the polls.

ALL of you out there moaning about what is not happening. The thing that is NOT happening is the pressure from us to pass the voting rights act, the pressure from us to get our family and friends out to vote in state and local elections. What is NOT happening, except for a few noble black activists inside and outside Congress, is yelling to the media about the lack of attention on voting rights issues and what is happening to obstruct voting in over 30 states. We would not have to be in this position of wanting Trump to be indicted and imprisoned and we never will be in this position again IF we had voted in 2016 for the less than perfect candidate but one who had our backs. And had we voted in those crucial state and local elections that places so many governors and local officials in positions to murder democracy. IT IS UP TO US!!

[Joinfortmill]

23. Amen.

[Blues Heron]

13. I dont understand how they let it drag on so long that he is actually running again

That is a level of insanity up with which no other country would put.

[fightforfreedom]

18. It's called due process.

That's how our justice system works. It's always been that way. I do not understand why some people can't understand how big, how sensitive, these investigations are. In reality, two years for the biggest investigation in the history of our country is not a long time. It just seems that way.

[Blues Heron]

22. It is not that complicated, not that big. Its happened many times down through the ages

Swift justice is supposed to be the watchword, not dribbled years long justice that never gets above the low level peons.

[Emile]

25. Exactly

[fightforfreedom]

31. It is not complicated????? It is not big??????? That is absurd.

In America you are innocent until proven guilty. Do you understand that? Do you want America to be like other countries who just swoop in and arrest everybody, throw them in jail and then they have to prove their innocence?

[CommonHumanity]

34. Exactly again - NT

[Beastly Boy]

35. It is complicated, and it is big.

it is the biggest investigation in the history of the US, and it is unprecedented.

Smaller investigations took longer. And swift, depending on your definition of the word, has rarely resulted in justice. Lynching is swift. Botching investigations is swift.

[Blues Heron]

37. Well he is out there running again, whipping up crowds

He is an ongoing threat, so pussyfooting around while this continues is dangerous for the country. Dont we have enough for an ankle bracelet at least?

[fightforfreedom]

38. When do think Trump and the coup plotters should have been arrested?

Should we have arrested them, thrown them in jail right away? Have trials before all the evidence was gathered to ensure a conviction?

It doesn't work that way in America and thank goodness it doesn't.

[Blues Heron]

39. Yesterday

[Beastly Boy]

45. So let's get this straight;

Are you concerned about justice being done or trump running again?

Conflating the two only obscures the issue. Are you willing to skirt due process of law to put an ankle brace on Trump? Is DOJ supposed to sabotage its reason for existing to advance a political agenda? That would end our constitutional republic faster than Trump ever dreamed of.

And just so you know: an indictment or a conviction will not stop Trump from running. This is not a matter for the justice department to resolve, it is a matter for the voters to address

[Scrivener7]

59. Do YOU not want to see justice done? Are YOU happy Trump is free to run again?

If so, then what is your point in asking Blues Heron if they are concerned about those conditions and presenting straw men to discount Blues Heron's concerns? Holding two related concerns does not equal conflating them.

Blues Heron's concern about both of those conditions - and I assume you are concerned about those conditions too - does not mean either of you is advocating for the straw men you present.

[Beastly Boy]

66. Just as I suspected: it all comes down with who is happy with what, justice be damned.

Yes, I want justice to be done. No, I am not happy that Trump is free to run again. Duh!

But this is not really my point, is it? My point is to bring attention to what it takes for justice to be done, regardless of what you or I feel. We can both be concerned until our faces turn blue. But if we don't understand that justice is being done regardless of our feelings, and that superimposing our feelings on this extremely well defined process blinds us to the realities of this process, creates unrealistic expectations of that process and leads us to insult those who are the constitutional custodians of that process, we condemn ourselves to perpetual ignorance of that process to our dire detriment.

And let me get one thing straight: are you calling references to the US Constitution and due process of law a straw man fallacy? Seriously? If I were you, I would be careful about gratuitously throwing that around. The straw man might come back to bite you right back.

[Scrivener7]

78. You guys just can't make a post without including a ridiculous straw man, can you?

I express dismay that those who attempted to overthrow our government two and a half years ago have gone completely unpunished.

You equate that to an attack on the Constitution and issue warnings to me to be careful.

Honestly, even you have to admit that's really idiotic.

And I agree that justice is being attempted. Certainly not close to being done. By Fani, and Tish, and now Jack. We can see the paper trail of these efforts. They are attempting to provide justice.

Whereas, for two years, Garland went after Bobby Lee Maga and the other guys in his carpool.

[Beastly Boy]

82. That's not it. The ridiculous strawman you keep pointing at is nowhere to be found.

It's just that you can't avoid inserting a straw man accusation every time you are losing an argument.
Being a card-carrying member of the anti-Scrivener conspiracy known as "you guys", allow me to bring my example when I speak on behalf of "us guys":

You are not just expressing your dismay. You are blaming your dismay on a particular party: DOJ, and particularly Garland who, obviously, being a prosecutor and not a social worker, bares no responsibility for your dismay. That's an expression of malice, and you are consistent in bringing it up. And no matter how much you are trying to make your accusations stick, they don't. Where do you see a straw man in this?

I equate the aforementioned dismay to you being poorly versed in the Constitution and due process of law, not to you attacking the Constitution. Were you better versed in either, you wouldn't be so aghast by the amount of time the process is taking or nurture a misguided notion that those responsible have gone completely unpunished. Because the factual record speaks to the contrary: the time it is taking is consistent with the circumstances, and a great majority of those responsible have been indicted and are about to receive punishment commensurate with the degree of their responsibility. That is, whether you like it or not, justice being done, not merely attempted.

This reminds me: you falsely claiming that your dismay had been equated by me to an attack on the Constitution is itself a straw man fallacy. So let me stress once again: If I were you, I would be careful about gratuitously throwing fallacy accusations around. The straw man might come back to bite you right back. And, speaking of being careful: if I were you, I would also be careful with what you call really idiotic.

[newdayneeded]

86. Which is why I have my doubts he'll get indicted.

I really believe a former president is to big to take down. I really believe the doj is too scared to flick the switch. I also believe Garland has looked into or has been shown internal studies on what kind of mass uprisings will accure from an indictment and won't pursue (or is told not to pursue, you can guess who I'm referring to here). Do you think Biden and Garland don't realize there's 30 million trump cult members out there all armed with AR15s. As president he would not risk that much blood in America's city streets. trumpers are fucking crazed nutjobs!

That's why I always say he's just running out the clock, sitting on a 2 foot tall stack of evidence.

This is all my opinion, and I won't change a word of it.

[Beastly Boy]

89. This is actually the first rational argument in favor of Trump not being indicted

that I ever came across. Thank you.

I agree with your reasoning, but not necessarily the conclusion. I see evidence that, despite the reasons you cited, Garland is preparing grounds for Trump's indictment. The mass arrests and indictments of the so-called "small fish" is the first step. Taking down the leadership of the Proud Boys and the Oath keepers was next. Appointing Jack Smith was next. No violence followed any of the above. I anticipate Trump's indictments on small charges in GA and NY will follow and test the waters further. By all appearances, Garland is pressing the unprecedented possibility of indicting the former president into the realm of probability, while taking the time to carefully examine the consequences of each step. By all appearances, he is committed to this process and is determined to take it to its conclusion as prescribed by law.

Lester Holt raised the same issues you did a while back, and received an unambiguous response from Garland:

Holt said: “You said in no uncertain terms the other day that no one is above the law. That said, the indictment of a former president, of perhaps a candidate for president, would arguably tear the country apart. Is that your concern as you make your decision down the road here? Do you have to think about things like that?”

Garland said: “We pursue justice without fear or favor. We intend to hold everyone, anyone who was criminally responsible for events surrounding January 6, or any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another, accountable. That’s what we do. We don’t pay any attention to other issues with respect to that.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/26/garland-charge-trump-capitol-attack-jan-6-doj
Garland articulated his commitment in no uncertain terms, and weighing the indictment of the former president agains the potential violence that may follow certainly crossed his mind.

But, as you said, the orders to stop the investigation may come from above. This is why I will not go out on a limb and declare that Trump will definitely be indicted. In the end. it will be Biden's decision to make. And his decision cannot be predicted with any degree of accuracy: Biden will have to weigh the dangers of anticipated violence an the dangers of disintegration of a democratic republic, which he is probably doing as we speak. I wouldn't want to be in his place.

[newdayneeded]

90. Thank you for the reply!

Have a great Friday!

[Beastly Boy]

91. Enjoy!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. This is the biggest case in US history: most defendants (1000+, 1000 more), biggest defendants

The biggest defendant in US history is in peril of multiple charges.

It is hiding your head in the sand to be unaware that this the biggest case ever and claim it is "not that big".

[Blues Heron]

55. In the rest of the world and down through history this just a plain vanilla corrupt leader case

You have to act fast in these cases or all bets are off - as you can plainly see TFG is running again - how is that remotely possible given what has happened?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

64. Because the US has a strong but weird legal system unlike any other country. . . . nt

[fightforfreedom]

65. There are Americans who do not know how are legal system works.

Some people have said, we should be like Brazil. It's laughable.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. Safeguards protecting the rump before indictment protect Biden fr weaponized DoJ maybe later. . nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

79. Brazil... Where dissidents were disappearing as recently as last year...

Some seem to want a dictator here, just one they agree with.

[stopdiggin]

85. and so rule of law should be compromised

(tweaked, adapted, tailored?) to suit political ends? Are you listening to yourself?

You do understand this is one of the main tools that the 'corrupt' use to stay in power?

[fightforfreedom]

68. Some people are determined to be proven wrong.

You and I are dealing with facts, reality. Many other people are thinking with their emotions. Which overrides the frontal lobe of the brain.

[Joinfortmill]

24. Exactly

[The Jungle 1]

32. Well I believe there is some politics involved.

The longer orange boy is in the news the better.

[gab13by13]

15. I have no gripe with Fani Willis

She. Started investigating Trump on March 16, 2021, DOJ did not, IMO.

Jack Smith needs to play catch up.

[Emile]

16. It's like the DOJ is wanting Georgia or NY to do their job.

[Beastly Boy]

29. You don't know that.

You don't know whether Willis started investigating Trump on March 16, just like you don't know whether DOJ started investigating Trump on January 7, 2021.

All you know is that these are the dates their respective investigations have started. The rest is pure unsubstantiated speculation.

[gab13by13]

36. I do know that Fani said she opened

an investigation into Trump on March 16th. I have no evidence to believe that Fani is a liar.

I have no evidence that DOJ opened up an investigation into Trump on March 16th, and neither do you.

[Beastly Boy]

41. Exactly. So why compare what you don't know to what you don't know?

And why do so as if you do know?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

52. Shhh, don't question their narrative

That makes you a MAGAT! Anyone who supports Garland is a MAGAT. I found that out a couple days ago.

[gab13by13]

54. Do you support the new Georgia law

that kills separation of power? You have had some time to think it over.

This is an opinion board right?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

56. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this post

If you'd like to ask it on that other thread where you called an NPR reporter a MAGAT just for writing a story about the law, maybe take it over there.
Not sure I'd answer over there either, though. So maybe take your sealioning elsewhere.

[Scrivener7]

58. I agree with that. Willis's investigation has been active, as proven by the

paper trail her activities have left for us to see.

Likewise with Jack Smith.

The lack of paper trail for Garland's efforts is not due to "no leaking." It is due to lack of normal investigative activity. He chose to go from the bottom up on the assumption that Billy Bob Inbred would eventually flip and give him the January 6 organizers. That wasn't a good assumption.

[Joinfortmill]

17. Amen.

[Jarqui]

46. We were also told the timeline

That the earliest a second Grand Jury could begin to convene was March.
And therefore, the earliest an indictment could come down is later in March.

We've also heard the first Grand Jury had a parade of witnesses and a lot of material that took them more than 7 months to get through (May to December 2022).

With that much evidence, etc to review, the "earliest" is probably April.

[flying_wahini]

47. Justice delayed is Justice denied.

I wanna perp walk.

[ecstatic]

50. I believe and trust her, and I understand the things she might need to get in place first

For example, safety for her family. So I've given her a break on that end. But at the same time it would be nice if she pulled the trigger prior to Bragg. Especially now that the second phone call is in the news. Fingers crossed.

[BlackSkimmer]

51. Lol. Every single day.

Are you trying to convince yourself with all these OPs about “it’s happening, it will happen, it’s going to happen…now, imminently, soon…?

[fightforfreedom]

61. Some people are determined to be proven wrong by ignoring the facts right in front of them.

Indictments are coming.

[Scrivener7]

57. Two years and two months ago, a group of people attempted to overthrow

our government.

Two years and two months later, the organizers of that coup attempt are all walking free, playing golf, happy as clams, and one of them is running for President.

Any argument that says that is acceptable is moronic.

[Emile]

69. +1 That is the facts!

[fightforfreedom]

72. Facts that prove nothing. The investigations are still ongoing and moving towards indictments.

Some people ignore those facts. Some people say nothing has happened so I am right. Good luck with that theory.

[Emile]

73. Yes some people are ignoring the facts!

[Beastly Boy]

70. In this case, it is your view that the US Constitution and

due process of law are moronic as well.

Am I getting this right?

[fightforfreedom]

71. Yes, you are getting that right.

[Beastly Boy]

74. Well, then it's your problem, and not that of DOJ

[fightforfreedom]

77. I was agreeing with you.

[Beastly Boy]

80. Sorry, I was anticipating Scrivener's post

[Scrivener7]

76. No. As with most of your arguments, that's a ridiculous straw man.

[Beastly Boy]

81. Tell me more!

How is it ridiculous, and how is it a straw man?

And how many of my posts are you prepared to challenge on the same grounds?

You sure you wanna do it? It would be my pleasure to reply to each of your challenges!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. Well stated!!!!!

[Bucky]

83. I'm not a fan of double ricochet conspiracy theories, but...

What are the odds that the slow timing of the Trump indictments is really an effort to ensure he gets the 2024 nomination? He is hands down the most beatable Republican candidate.

[Autumn]

92. When will all these wonderful things happen?