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MissMillie

(39,567 posts)
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 01:57 PM Apr 2023

Possible explanation of delays in GA indictments...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-fake-georgia-electors-are-now-ratting-on-each-other/ar-AA1a1mRt?ocid=hpmsn&pc=U483&cvid=a7b894ad928e424292f2b556c716b0f3&ei=24

Trump’s Fake Georgia Electors Are Now Ratting on Each Other

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Following a special purpose grand jury recommendation in December that the DA seek indictments against some people involved in the fraudulent scheme, investigators have turned up the pressure.

It turns out, these Republican officials and political operatives are now starting to squirm, identifying illegal behavior by their colleagues while trying to save their own skin—a sudden pivot that came when Willis’ investigators met with these fake electors last week.

Wednesday and Friday, “some of the electors stated that another elector… committed acts that are violations of Georgia law and that they were not party to these additional acts,” Willis explained in her court filing.

That description means that certain Republicans are now identifying crimes committed by a colleague while distancing themselves from that criminal behavior.

But that situation has created what Willis calls “an impracticable and ethical mess,” because 10 of these fake electors are being represented by a single Atlanta defense lawyer—who can’t possibly advocate for clients who are simultaneously ratting each other out. The DA’s office is using those details to make the case that the judge should intervene and disqualify that defense lawyer, Kimberly Bourroughs Debrow, citing a conflict of interest.

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Willis needs to be mindful that these defendants are entitled to a fair trial, otherwise all this work will be for naught.

It looks as though she's making sure her case(s) doesn't fall appart.
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Possible explanation of delays in GA indictments... (Original Post) MissMillie Apr 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #1
I'd rather have her do everything right (causing delays) MissMillie Apr 2023 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #5
There will be no justice if the case gets thrown out on a technicality MissMillie Apr 2023 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #8
I don't believe I accused you of saying they don't deserve a defense. MissMillie Apr 2023 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #11
Yay! Turn up the heat. crickets Apr 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #3
Wrong ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #7
Willis has filed a motion with the judge to make sure that each of these fake electors MissMillie Apr 2023 #10

Response to MissMillie (Original post)

MissMillie

(39,567 posts)
4. I'd rather have her do everything right (causing delays)
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 06:35 AM
Apr 2023

than to have the case thrown out because 11 people are being represented by the same lawyer (causing huge conflicts when they all start ratting each other out)

We're NEVER going to get a second chance at this.

(And oh yeah, I'm a big fan of the whole "fair trial" concept)


It's quite delicious that these folks ARE ratting each other out, don't you think? It's a big pain in the neck for Willis, and it is causing delays, but I can't help but wonder about what other crimes are going to come to light as they all try to save their own skins.

Response to MissMillie (Reply #4)

MissMillie

(39,567 posts)
6. There will be no justice if the case gets thrown out on a technicality
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 12:09 PM
Apr 2023

and again, the concept of a FAIR trial is something to which we should aspire, not just pay lip service to.

These defendants are turning against each other, and they're being represented--all of them--by the same attorney. How can one attorney defend one defendant against accusations being made by another defendant being represented by the same attorney?

And regardless of what we think they've done, they are ALL entitled to a legal defense.

Response to MissMillie (Reply #6)

MissMillie

(39,567 posts)
9. I don't believe I accused you of saying they don't deserve a defense.
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 08:42 PM
Apr 2023

If I did say that then I apologize.

The story is about how the subjects of the investigation are ratting each other out.

Willis is trying to make sure that there is no conflict for a lawyer who is defending one person who is making NEW accusations against one of the other people--who is being defended by the same lawyer.

Frankly, I easily a see a conflict there. It's pretty difficult for a lawyer to defend both the accuser and the accused, in fact my bet is that in such a situation neither person would get the defense they are entitled to.

I believe that Willis is making sure that no one can argue that they don't have a proper legal defense.

To work for 2 years on this investigation only to have someone argue that their rights were violated would be not only a monumental problem for the case, but it would be a waste of 2 years of her efforts (and tax payer dollars).

She will NOT get a second chance at this.

Making sure that everyone has what they are legally entitled to is a VERY smart move to make before indictments are handed down.

I get the time issue. I believe that getting it right is more important than doing it fast.

Response to MissMillie (Reply #9)

crickets

(26,168 posts)
2. Yay! Turn up the heat.
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 11:01 PM
Apr 2023

Let them squirm and rat one another out on the witness stand. Let's go!

Response to crickets (Reply #2)

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
7. Wrong
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 07:12 PM
Apr 2023

The delay is that the grand jury is sitting for two months. It will probably take that long to lay out all the information for them. They don't meet every day, all day, you know. They probably meet a few times a week--if that.

When the two month period is over, then we'll know something. They started in March, so we'll hear something in May, most likely.

Really.

No need to make up reasons for what's "taking so long," when reality says it's about the time parameters Wills is working with.

MissMillie

(39,567 posts)
10. Willis has filed a motion with the judge to make sure that each of these fake electors
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 08:48 PM
Apr 2023

is represented by their own lawyer.

I believe that this is at least PART of what is holding things up.


Yes, I realize the volume of evidence takes a while to sort through. It's been nearly 3 months.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that there's more than one cause for the delay.

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