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Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:27 AM May 2023

Why Did President Biden NOT invoke The Insurrection Act after his inauguration?

Invoking the Insurrection Act temporarily suspends the Posse Comitatus rule and allows the president to deploy the military to assist civilian authorities with law enforcement. That might involve soldiers doing anything from enforcing a federal court order to suppressing an uprising against the government. Of course, not every domestic use of the military involves law enforcement activity.

Other laws, such as the Stafford Act, allow the military to be used to respond to natural disasters, public health crises, and other similar events without waiving the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained

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Upon hindsight the Republican chorus of condemnation of insurrection and insurrectionists that lasted for a month after the Republican Party led coup attempt wasn’t out of genuine shock or horror, it was out of a desire that The Insurrection Act not be used to quickly ferret out the treason..

Then the treasonous liars did a complete 360 when that didn’t happen…and the long drawn out process of major criminal investigations x1001 dragged out…and is still dragging despite the impressive DOJ roadkill numbers of all the useful J6 human bots.

…so began the long long process of standard criminal investigation, prosecution, sentencing of ALL the insurrectionists, big and small, idiots and evil geniuses… their planners, their inside job politicians and hatchet men, Kraken counsel, Ted Cruz?! Years and counting. All the while impeded by those that did the 360.

Trudeau did it, did it legally, and did it to rid the national capital of a gaggle of truckers and Justin time.

Hardly compares though. Suppressing a national insurrection, truckers?

Hesitated…now its insurrection part 2.



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Why Did President Biden NOT invoke The Insurrection Act after his inauguration? (Original Post) Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 OP
The Attempted Insurrection and the Canadian "convoy" protests are not comparable, in so many ways.nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #1
Precisely, as One was much more serious. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #2
Because overreaching with an authoritarian act would have been terrible? Sympthsical May 2023 #3
Republicans eagerly follow precedents that even only one of us may have suggested it one time Walleye May 2023 #5
Imagine if there's a protest Sympthsical May 2023 #13
Republicans eagerly followed the never before precedent of violent, planned insurrection. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #17
It's important to think steps ahead Sympthsical May 2023 #19
The Insurrection Act should be repealed. Replaced. It's too nebulous, open to abuse. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #21
I can agree with that Sympthsical May 2023 #23
Dodged a bullet with trump...am amazed issue hasn't been raised in Congress...or publicized? Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #24
I still can't figure out how so many people fell for that and got to that point Walleye May 2023 #28
Good thing can't ever happen again! Not like CNN is hosting a town hall for the coup leader! Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #29
I know, right? How long are we going to be stuck in this goddamn loop Walleye May 2023 #30
I defended CNN until now...that's it...I can't be the only one made that mistake. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #31
I switched to the cheapest cable service when I retired and haven't gotten the cable news channels Walleye May 2023 #33
Trudeau was called many things when used temporary emergency law to suppress a local revolt. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #15
Seems like not such a good idea, thinking on the anniversary of the Kent state shooting Walleye May 2023 #4
Biden would have been stupid to invoke the Insurrection Act. magats were hoping for it Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #6
Because Biden and his people are not idiots. tritsofme May 2023 #7
Because the situation after Biden's inauguration didn't justify its use? onenote May 2023 #8
...unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages... Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #18
What unlawful obstructions, combinations or assemblages were taking place in late January onenote May 2023 #25
No reasonable logic would say it was all over and the mob boss was going to take a break. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #27
And no reasonable person would argue that law enforcement couldn't handle the situation onenote May 2023 #32
There was no insurrection at that point FBaggins May 2023 #9
Pointless question. wnylib May 2023 #10
Not certain when exactly you think Biden should have done this? Thomas Hurt May 2023 #11
About three weeks after the failed insurrection. Iggo May 2023 #14
You would have to ask him sarisataka May 2023 #12
The purpose of the emergency declaration not military so much as rapid investigation, arrest. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #16
You stated sarisataka May 2023 #20
Valid points. The insurrection Act is open to much abuse, got lucky trump didn't use it..he tried. Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #22
IMHO, it is because Biden has a working brain. That would have been a very bad idea. Demsrule86 May 2023 #26

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
3. Because overreaching with an authoritarian act would have been terrible?
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:37 AM
May 2023

And President Biden is wise enough to know that such an action would have aggravated things immensely. It was better to defuse their momentum by having the DoJ methodically crush them all under the inexorable weight of the law.

And what would the military have done? What would you have had them do after January 20th? Where would they go? Who would they arrest? What law enforcement functions would they serve that the DoJ could not have handled?

And, as ever, it's always important to remember - whatever precedent we set will be eagerly followed by Republicans using it, and it would no doubt not be for reasons we'd enjoy.

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
13. Imagine if there's a protest
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:53 AM
May 2023

And suddenly Republicans decide, "Antifa is in a state of insurrection, wheeeeee!"

Once you declare open season for these things, it is very difficult to undeclare it.

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
19. It's important to think steps ahead
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:06 AM
May 2023

Instead of immediate reactive overreaction.

Good leaders do the former. Terrible ones the latter.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
21. The Insurrection Act should be repealed. Replaced. It's too nebulous, open to abuse.
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:12 AM
May 2023

Not having been used when it should have been… maybe because it’s the law that’s bad and a good man didn’t want to use it…Trump tried to use it in a twisted backwards way to support his insurrection attempt, the first one…

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
23. I can agree with that
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:15 AM
May 2023

I read the Brennan Center article and generally agree with their views on the vagueness of the law and how it could be open to abuse on account.

Walleye

(30,980 posts)
33. I switched to the cheapest cable service when I retired and haven't gotten the cable news channels
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:37 AM
May 2023

I consider myself lucky at that.Course I have seen a few clips and so forth

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
15. Trudeau was called many things when used temporary emergency law to suppress a local revolt.
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:56 AM
May 2023

Turns out he was not any of those things, as determined by Parliament after mandatory review.

Emergency laws, justified, are temporary, specific, targeted…intended to minimize future harm…like the future harm happening now.

onenote

(42,598 posts)
8. Because the situation after Biden's inauguration didn't justify its use?
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:42 AM
May 2023

The Insurrection Act provides that "Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion."

At the time President Biden was sworn in and at all times thereafter, it was and has not been "impracticable" to enforce the laws of the US in any state by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings.

onenote

(42,598 posts)
25. What unlawful obstructions, combinations or assemblages were taking place in late January
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:18 AM
May 2023

after Biden was inaugurated? And if such things were taking place, why wasn't it practicable for law enforcement to deal with them. Hundreds have been arrested and prosecuted under the normal course.

No one would have advised Biden to invoke the Insurrection Act under the circumstances prevailing then (or now).

onenote

(42,598 posts)
32. And no reasonable person would argue that law enforcement couldn't handle the situation
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:29 AM
May 2023

Fortunately, Biden has reasonable people advising him.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
9. There was no insurrection at that point
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:43 AM
May 2023

One could reasonably argue that the events of 1/6 were an attempt to start a rebellion, but by 1/21 there was nothing that justified deploying military units to put down that rebellion.

wnylib

(21,341 posts)
10. Pointless question.
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:45 AM
May 2023

Biden was not in a position to do anything about J6 until after his inauguration a few weeks later.

A suspension of Posse Comitatus and use of the military to maintain order is effective only in situations where there is actual ongoing physical violence and rioting. That is not what the situation was later in January when Biden officially became president. The physical attack on the Capitol was over. Invoking the Insurrection Act would only have caused unnecessary military rule. Once the physical attack was over, investigation and arrest of the perpetrators was what was needed, not a military state. We do not use the military for criminal investigations in the US, unless the crime was committed by a member of the military.

sarisataka

(18,497 posts)
12. You would have to ask him
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:49 AM
May 2023

But I suspect his answer would be along the lines of "I'm not a dictator"

Here's how China does it.

Is that the image of Washington DC we want?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
16. The purpose of the emergency declaration not military so much as rapid investigation, arrest.
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:00 AM
May 2023

Major suspects still evade their justice and are fomenting another insurrection, right?…., the truckers justice was swift and they didn’t even really do any kind of insurrection then, or since.

sarisataka

(18,497 posts)
20. You stated
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:08 AM
May 2023
Invoking the Insurrection Act temporarily suspends the Posse Comitatus rule and allows the president to deploy the military to assist civilian authorities with law enforcement.


The military isn't going to be able to help with investigations. That is not their training, except for JAG and the DOJ is far larger with more resources.

The military would either be making arrests and/or conducting tribunals. That is what we see in authoritarian countries.

The Canadian trucker situation was completely different. It was an active situation with a clear goal/end point.

Biden invoking the Insurrection Act would have had no clear immediate goal. It would have been, and still be, an open ended use of the US military against its own citizens. Exactly what we accuse Republicans of wanting to do.
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
22. Valid points. The insurrection Act is open to much abuse, got lucky trump didn't use it..he tried.
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:14 AM
May 2023

I would have seen in those case, the military assisting law enforcement in NOT traditional military by tanks and guns ways…investigation, surveillance, search and seizure, is part and parcel of law enforcement I think.

And intimidation of any trump militias we now know standing by, as ordered.

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