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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want photos of the BULLET RIDDLED 7 YR OLD BODIES
on every channel and website and YouTube.
NOTHING will change for 30 yrs because of the SC we have because of a lack of support for Hillary, but MAKE these FUCKERS look at what they are responsible for.
Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Edit to add: they'll call the kids "crisis actors", it's all an FBI plot to seize our guns!
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I'm sure MTG will claim that.
Nevilledog
(51,274 posts)Gun fetishists would buy more guns and politicians would just fundraise off it.
Nevilledog
(51,274 posts)Shannon is the founder of MomsDemand
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This email comes in while another mass shooting unfolds in America. The carnage in Allen, Texas, today is the logical outcome of allowing extremists like this to dictate our nations gun laws.
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6:12 PM · May 6, 2023
Stinky The Clown
(67,838 posts)Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)
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TexLaProgressive
(12,164 posts)Of our actions in Vietnam.
Frasier Balzov
(2,677 posts)regarding a post in which sheet-covered victims at the mall were photographed from a drone hovering above.
Pretty mild compared to what you are proposing.
(By the way, I support the best intentions of your proposal as long as the family gives consent.)
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)
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LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)Jesus Christ.
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GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)and we need them BADLY.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I've seen a lot of horrible things in my lifetime... that little clip was awful. I agree though... put it on TV, on billboards, show it in schools, publicize it.
Fascists want to make women getting abortions have an ultrasound first and stuff... how about making people who own guns have to watch a couple hours of video of kids bodies before they take their gun home.
wnylib
(21,756 posts)would have to see the mangled bodies of their loved ones over and over everywhere while they are trying to recover from shock and grief.
I would rather have the elected officials who pass laws regarding gun accessibity be required to walk through the scene after LE has processed it for evidence but before anything has been touched or removed. They could claim that photos were doctored or that the scene was put on by crisis actors if they only view photos. A walk through the scene with the real chaos, scent of death, blood spatter, and body parts would be convincing.
In our zeal to end the shootings, we should not thoughtlessly and selfishly disregard the feelings of the loved ones of the victims who should NOT be subjected to pictures of their mangled loved ones everywhere they go while they are dealing with shock and grief.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)I dont mean show faces. But show the aftermath. Obviously years of what weve done havent worked. I think people dont fully comprehend what is going on.
I remember years ago when I was on a police reserve going to a DUI accident. Seeing the results of drunk driving was an eye opener. Its like those schools that put wrecked cars out front years ago to show students what the consequences of actions were.
Being exposed to a horror is very traumatic. Its supposed to be. I dont think anything else could work. Id be very open to any other less dramatic suggestions.
wnylib
(21,756 posts)is traumatic. That's my point. The strongest effect would be on the relatives and friends of the victims and on the survivors who were there. But they are hardly the people who need to be traumatized, are they?
In the rest of the population, some would be jolted into the reality of gun deaths. But many would not. They would double down on ridiculing the reality of mass shootings. They would call the photos fake. The publication of the photos would do more harm than good. It would traumatize people who are already traumatized by grief and shock over the loss and injuries of people they know.
When I had my driver's permit and was out practicing with a licensed driver, I crossed through a main intersection without knowing until I got there that an accident had occurred right around the corner recently enough that first responders were still on the scene. There was a body on the ground with a cloth draped over it, including over the face. Of course I knew what that meant. It was traumatic enough to imprint on me that a car can be a killing machine if the driver is not careful.
But, I did not personally know the people. I did not recognize the cars or anyone standing in the street with the police and EMTs. I did not have to cope with grief and shock over the loss. But suppose I DID personally know the people and the one that was dead? Suppose I arrived before the body was covered. The traumatic shock could have caused another accident on the spot. Any photos of the dead body in the newspapers, on TV, or on magazine covers afterward would re-create that first moment of trauma.
The IDs of the victims cannot be disguised from the people who knew them. The clothing, body size and shape, and the knowledge that their loved one WAS killed at the site will all be painfully real each and every time that the loved ones see the pictures.
And make no mistake about it. They WILL see the pictures. It will happen when least expected, when they are caught off guard while in line at the supermarket with magazine covers and newspaper front pages displaying the photos every time a new update or detail in the case occurs. It will happen when they are at the doctor's office in the waiting room, at the public library, or in the break room at work - every place where there is a public TV.
For loved ones, the pain will not subside. It never does anyway, regardless of circumstances. But with photos of their loved ones' bloody, mangled bodies popping up everywhere when least expected, catching them in unguarded moments, the pain will cut deeper each time.
Meantime, the effect on the general population will be the opposite of what is intended by publishing the photos. People will become desensitized to the sight from repetition.
There was a link on DU a few weeks ago for an interview with the mother of a toddler who was killed in the Oklahoma City bombing. If you're old enough, you might remember the photo of the fireman carrying the limp body of a little girl named Baylee. In the interview, Baylee's mother talked about the trauma of constantly seeing the picture of Baylee's body everywhere on magazine covers and on TV every time the bombing was mentioned, e.g. at each step in the investigation and trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, and each year on the anniversary of the bombing. It has been hell for Baylee's mother, and Baylee's body was intact. Imagine if she had been headless and bloody, or with a bloody face and a missing leg.
Publishing the photos would make life a living hell for close relatives and friends without solving the problem of gun violence.
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)I immediately recognized this family https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217894300
despite only having seen one picture of them.
Marcus IM
(2,269 posts)It's just too alarming to see the result of the gun carnage the vast majority abhor.
Thoughts and prayers suffice.
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)I don't want to see any of it but I think that if it will make a difference I will agree to it.
The photo of that little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street after her village was bombed made a big impact. It is something you never forget.
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)slaughter we're immune to them. Our consciousness of them has become calloused. We have collectively
just about given up.
Maraya1969
(22,509 posts)Hook I believe who insisted on having an open casket for her little boy who was ripped apart by bullets
I actually think that they should put more photos out especially of the little kids who are getting killed
wnylib
(21,756 posts)But even if they did, the child was not killed or mangled. They were not in mourning for loss of her life.
Try being realistic about what would happen if the photos were publicized everywhere as people are advocating for. The result would NOT be the idealistic one that you hope for. Legislators would not be shocked into changing their minds or the laws. They would get defensive about having the photos pushed in their faces and would double down even harder. Their followers who support them would also double down.
That behavior would anger gun control supporters even more and horrible words would be exchanged in public.
Meantime, the survivors of the gun attacks and the loved ones of the victims would see over and over, everywhere they went, the bloody and mangled images of their child, mother, father, sister, brother, best friend, fiancee, next door neighbor, teacher, etc. Every time they turned on a radio or TV, or got online, or picked up a newspaper or magazine - or just passed by them in the supermarket - the images and vitriolic public arguments would be thrown in their faces. They would be traumatized and shocked over and over and over again with no escape. They would never reach a stage of grief where they could continue with their lives. Some would literally go insane, unable to cope. Others would take their own lives to escape the never ending horror.
All for nothing because it would NOT end the violence.
I totally agree that the violence has to stop. But destroying the lives of survivors and of the loved ones of the victims is not the way to do it. We have to use other methods.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)The video clip of the pile of dead bodies, including one very small child with their brains blown out, is graphic, painful and not something people are calloused nor immune to.
It's horrific and it's the first time I've seen a video posted of the victims of one of these many, many shootings.
RussBLib
(9,056 posts)that's amazing. But I agree. Not sure how, with all the cameras in phones these days, that there have not been more videos of mangled bodies made available to the public. I assiduously avoid images like that if they become available. I don't need to see it to be able to realize the horror, and to know we have to do something about it.
The people who need to see this stuff, perhaps Clockwork Orange-type viewing if necessary, is our Congress, especially the Republicans, who refuse to do anything to minimize the killings, when so many things can be done. And the American people, in large numbers, support basic things like universal background checks and banning assault weapons.
The GOP Congress won't hear the people and won't see the murders.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)That anyone thought to grab their phone and make a video after such a terrifying and horrific event is a symptom of how endemic these mass shootings have become here now.
I'm not advocating for the viewing of this video by the vast majority of people. I actually viewed it by accident. By the time my brain processed what my eyes were seeing there was no going back. Those who do need to see this horror won't see it or will twist themselves into a pretzel to blame it on anything other than the assault style weapon used.
Sadly, I believe those who are entrenched in the gun culture, be it for profit, power or because they've swallowed the whole NRA narrative hook, line and sinker, wouldn't be as horrified as I was. They live in a skewed version of the impact unfettered access to guns by so many has had on our society and their defense of the guns is akin to some form of cultish mindset at this point.
Captain Zero
(6,860 posts)maybe even the people in the gamers households who have seen the games being played.
desensitized. I think its a way to say no one gives a fuck.
RussBLib
(9,056 posts)Seeing blood and guts on TV all the time will desensitize many to the violence and will make others want to replicate it.
This has always been a rather tough country to live in, especially for women and people of color.
Seems like we've crossed some kind of line and insanity is spreading.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)their owners, the Federalist Society.
But I want them to HAVE to look at it!
ananda
(28,894 posts)....
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)do nothing. Is photos of dead children your ONLY solution?
3catwoman3
(24,102 posts)
to go to the autopsies of those victims of the military assault weapons.
Most of them would probably puke or pass out.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)people into not buying less guns or something. unfortunately, as you know, because Hillary Clinton was not supported to the extent she deserved to be, we have a Supreme Court that will completely destroy this country for the next 20 or 30 years. Evidently the Democratic Party is not willing to increase the court or even talk about it even if they couldn't do it and didn't have the votes they won't even talk about it, I don't understand that.
Sympthsical
(9,176 posts)Was curious about the shooter's tattoo and got an inadvertent eyeful of the victims.
Not recommended generally.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,502 posts)Does seeing graphic anti-abortion images change your thinking about abortion?
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)HAB911
(8,942 posts)Anonymous, if you're listening................
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)HAB911
(8,942 posts)IMO
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,492 posts)there's a difference of opinion, that's not suggesting doing nothing.
TheProle
(2,210 posts)or quit saying that.
ck4829
(35,096 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)dsc
(52,172 posts)We need a modern day Mamie Till to let us see what happens to children who are shot with these guns.
SYFROYH
(34,186 posts)Dead bodies of mass shooting victims will just make them want more guns in public places.
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)the BULLET RIDDLED BODIES of the 6 year olds family on every channel and website and YouTube?
He is the only survivor but he should see the graphic nature of his parents' and brother's death. Because maybe it will change a few minds?