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Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
Sat May 6, 2023, 07:58 PM May 2023

I want photos of the BULLET RIDDLED 7 YR OLD BODIES

on every channel and website and YouTube.

NOTHING will change for 30 yrs because of the SC we have because of a lack of support for Hillary, but MAKE these FUCKERS look at what they are responsible for.

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I want photos of the BULLET RIDDLED 7 YR OLD BODIES (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater May 2023 OP
That won't change anything. People love guns, and don't care about someone else's children. Wingus Dingus May 2023 #1
MTG? NowISeetheLight May 2023 #12
They wouldn't care even if it was their child. Nevilledog May 2023 #15
These are the people you're talking about Nevilledog May 2023 #16
Armed American has quite a way with words, huh? Stinky The Clown May 2023 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer May 2023 #2
That's what caused people to lose support TexLaProgressive May 2023 #3
I was just asked to serve on a jury Frasier Balzov May 2023 #4
I was on that jury also, it is what inspired me to write this, thanks Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #19
But-but Gov Abbott gave his heart out to them so everything's fine. allegorical oracle May 2023 #5
Post removed Post removed May 2023 #6
Put a fucking warning on that in your response title. LuckyCharms May 2023 #8
Agree debm55 May 2023 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 May 2023 #10
I HAVE HAD IT with having the same shit happen over and over. We need one issue voters GuppyGal May 2023 #7
OMG NowISeetheLight May 2023 #11
Your suggesgion shows no regard for the family and friends of the victims who wnylib May 2023 #29
Cover Identity NowISeetheLight May 2023 #36
Of course being exposed to horror wnylib May 2023 #37
How? sarisataka May 2023 #44
Not even DU will allow that. Marcus IM May 2023 #13
Obviously thoughts and prayers do not suffice or we wouldn't be having these conversations. Maraya1969 May 2023 #14
That was many years ago. I fear that we have somehow gotten so used to these photos of mass CTyankee May 2023 #18
But we really have not seen the photos of the kids. I remember one of the mother's from Sandy Maraya1969 May 2023 #25
The families of that girl probably did not see that photo. wnylib May 2023 #30
As horrible as that was, this video is even worse than that. herding cats May 2023 #28
first time, out of all of these shootings RussBLib May 2023 #31
Previously I suspect most people were so terrified and traumatized they didn't record the horrors. herding cats May 2023 #32
watch any of the single shooter games. all gamers are desensitized to it Captain Zero May 2023 #33
I think that would inspire even more mayhem. RussBLib May 2023 #20
It wont matter anyway in the end as this SC will do what they are told by Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #21
Agree -- and every fucking day also. ananda May 2023 #22
I get a kick out of the ones here saying what a dumb idea this is, so the answer is do NOTHING Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #34
None said inthewind21 May 2023 #48
All gun humping politicians should be required... 3catwoman3 May 2023 #23
And while the SC will not allow a gun law anywhere in America, we might be able to shame Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #35
They're circulating on Twitter Sympthsical May 2023 #24
Why do you think making them look at dead bodies would change their minds? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #26
You asked... sarisataka May 2023 #27
K & R HAB911 May 2023 #38
Beats the alternative some here seem to be suggesting, which is doing nothing. Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #39
It is the next step that must be done HAB911 May 2023 #46
Nobody here is suggesting doing nothing, MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #47
Links? TheProle May 2023 #49
That would be pornography for the far right ck4829 May 2023 #40
For some, sure. Not most of the mothers, though... Eliot Rosewater May 2023 #42
I have been saying this for years dsc May 2023 #41
I think the gun controllers dream of shocking gun rights supporters with tragedy is not useful. SYFROYH May 2023 #43
Do you really want sarisataka May 2023 #45

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
1. That won't change anything. People love guns, and don't care about someone else's children.
Sat May 6, 2023, 08:01 PM
May 2023

Edit to add: they'll call the kids "crisis actors", it's all an FBI plot to seize our guns!

Nevilledog

(51,274 posts)
15. They wouldn't care even if it was their child.
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:15 PM
May 2023

Gun fetishists would buy more guns and politicians would just fundraise off it.

Nevilledog

(51,274 posts)
16. These are the people you're talking about
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:25 PM
May 2023

Shannon is the founder of MomsDemand




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This email comes in while another mass shooting unfolds in America. The carnage in Allen, Texas, today is the logical outcome of allowing extremists like this to dictate our nation’s gun laws.
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6:12 PM · May 6, 2023


Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Frasier Balzov

(2,677 posts)
4. I was just asked to serve on a jury
Sat May 6, 2023, 08:03 PM
May 2023

regarding a post in which sheet-covered victims at the mall were photographed from a drone hovering above.

Pretty mild compared to what you are proposing.

(By the way, I support the best intentions of your proposal as long as the family gives consent.)

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GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
7. I HAVE HAD IT with having the same shit happen over and over. We need one issue voters
Sat May 6, 2023, 08:11 PM
May 2023

and we need them BADLY.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
11. OMG
Sat May 6, 2023, 08:17 PM
May 2023

I've seen a lot of horrible things in my lifetime... that little clip was awful. I agree though... put it on TV, on billboards, show it in schools, publicize it.

Fascists want to make women getting abortions have an ultrasound first and stuff... how about making people who own guns have to watch a couple hours of video of kids bodies before they take their gun home.

wnylib

(21,756 posts)
29. Your suggesgion shows no regard for the family and friends of the victims who
Sat May 6, 2023, 11:03 PM
May 2023

would have to see the mangled bodies of their loved ones over and over everywhere while they are trying to recover from shock and grief.

I would rather have the elected officials who pass laws regarding gun accessibity be required to walk through the scene after LE has processed it for evidence but before anything has been touched or removed. They could claim that photos were doctored or that the scene was put on by crisis actors if they only view photos. A walk through the scene with the real chaos, scent of death, blood spatter, and body parts would be convincing.

In our zeal to end the shootings, we should not thoughtlessly and selfishly disregard the feelings of the loved ones of the victims who should NOT be subjected to pictures of their mangled loved ones everywhere they go while they are dealing with shock and grief.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
36. Cover Identity
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:37 PM
May 2023

I don’t mean show faces. But show the aftermath. Obviously years of what we’ve done haven’t worked. I think people don’t fully comprehend what is going on.

I remember years ago when I was on a police reserve going to a DUI accident. Seeing the results of drunk driving was an eye opener. It’s like those schools that put wrecked cars out front years ago to show students what the consequences of actions were.

Being exposed to a horror is very traumatic. It’s supposed to be. I don’t think anything else could work. I’d be very open to any other less dramatic suggestions.

wnylib

(21,756 posts)
37. Of course being exposed to horror
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:46 AM
May 2023

is traumatic. That's my point. The strongest effect would be on the relatives and friends of the victims and on the survivors who were there. But they are hardly the people who need to be traumatized, are they?

In the rest of the population, some would be jolted into the reality of gun deaths. But many would not. They would double down on ridiculing the reality of mass shootings. They would call the photos fake. The publication of the photos would do more harm than good. It would traumatize people who are already traumatized by grief and shock over the loss and injuries of people they know.

When I had my driver's permit and was out practicing with a licensed driver, I crossed through a main intersection without knowing until I got there that an accident had occurred right around the corner recently enough that first responders were still on the scene. There was a body on the ground with a cloth draped over it, including over the face. Of course I knew what that meant. It was traumatic enough to imprint on me that a car can be a killing machine if the driver is not careful.

But, I did not personally know the people. I did not recognize the cars or anyone standing in the street with the police and EMTs. I did not have to cope with grief and shock over the loss. But suppose I DID personally know the people and the one that was dead? Suppose I arrived before the body was covered. The traumatic shock could have caused another accident on the spot. Any photos of the dead body in the newspapers, on TV, or on magazine covers afterward would re-create that first moment of trauma.

The IDs of the victims cannot be disguised from the people who knew them. The clothing, body size and shape, and the knowledge that their loved one WAS killed at the site will all be painfully real each and every time that the loved ones see the pictures.

And make no mistake about it. They WILL see the pictures. It will happen when least expected, when they are caught off guard while in line at the supermarket with magazine covers and newspaper front pages displaying the photos every time a new update or detail in the case occurs. It will happen when they are at the doctor's office in the waiting room, at the public library, or in the break room at work - every place where there is a public TV.

For loved ones, the pain will not subside. It never does anyway, regardless of circumstances. But with photos of their loved ones' bloody, mangled bodies popping up everywhere when least expected, catching them in unguarded moments, the pain will cut deeper each time.

Meantime, the effect on the general population will be the opposite of what is intended by publishing the photos. People will become desensitized to the sight from repetition.

There was a link on DU a few weeks ago for an interview with the mother of a toddler who was killed in the Oklahoma City bombing. If you're old enough, you might remember the photo of the fireman carrying the limp body of a little girl named Baylee. In the interview, Baylee's mother talked about the trauma of constantly seeing the picture of Baylee's body everywhere on magazine covers and on TV every time the bombing was mentioned, e.g. at each step in the investigation and trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, and each year on the anniversary of the bombing. It has been hell for Baylee's mother, and Baylee's body was intact. Imagine if she had been headless and bloody, or with a bloody face and a missing leg.

Publishing the photos would make life a living hell for close relatives and friends without solving the problem of gun violence.






Marcus IM

(2,269 posts)
13. Not even DU will allow that.
Sat May 6, 2023, 08:34 PM
May 2023

It's just too alarming to see the result of the gun carnage the vast majority abhor.

Thoughts and prayers suffice.

Maraya1969

(22,509 posts)
14. Obviously thoughts and prayers do not suffice or we wouldn't be having these conversations.
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:14 PM
May 2023

I don't want to see any of it but I think that if it will make a difference I will agree to it.

The photo of that little Vietnamese girl running naked down the street after her village was bombed made a big impact. It is something you never forget.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
18. That was many years ago. I fear that we have somehow gotten so used to these photos of mass
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:33 PM
May 2023

slaughter we're immune to them. Our consciousness of them has become calloused. We have collectively
just about given up.

Maraya1969

(22,509 posts)
25. But we really have not seen the photos of the kids. I remember one of the mother's from Sandy
Sat May 6, 2023, 10:15 PM
May 2023

Hook I believe who insisted on having an open casket for her little boy who was ripped apart by bullets

I actually think that they should put more photos out especially of the little kids who are getting killed

wnylib

(21,756 posts)
30. The families of that girl probably did not see that photo.
Sat May 6, 2023, 11:28 PM
May 2023

But even if they did, the child was not killed or mangled. They were not in mourning for loss of her life.

Try being realistic about what would happen if the photos were publicized everywhere as people are advocating for. The result would NOT be the idealistic one that you hope for. Legislators would not be shocked into changing their minds or the laws. They would get defensive about having the photos pushed in their faces and would double down even harder. Their followers who support them would also double down.

That behavior would anger gun control supporters even more and horrible words would be exchanged in public.

Meantime, the survivors of the gun attacks and the loved ones of the victims would see over and over, everywhere they went, the bloody and mangled images of their child, mother, father, sister, brother, best friend, fiancee, next door neighbor, teacher, etc. Every time they turned on a radio or TV, or got online, or picked up a newspaper or magazine - or just passed by them in the supermarket - the images and vitriolic public arguments would be thrown in their faces. They would be traumatized and shocked over and over and over again with no escape. They would never reach a stage of grief where they could continue with their lives. Some would literally go insane, unable to cope. Others would take their own lives to escape the never ending horror.

All for nothing because it would NOT end the violence.

I totally agree that the violence has to stop. But destroying the lives of survivors and of the loved ones of the victims is not the way to do it. We have to use other methods.




herding cats

(19,569 posts)
28. As horrible as that was, this video is even worse than that.
Sat May 6, 2023, 11:00 PM
May 2023

The video clip of the pile of dead bodies, including one very small child with their brains blown out, is graphic, painful and not something people are calloused nor immune to.

It's horrific and it's the first time I've seen a video posted of the victims of one of these many, many shootings.

RussBLib

(9,056 posts)
31. first time, out of all of these shootings
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:34 AM
May 2023

that's amazing. But I agree. Not sure how, with all the cameras in phones these days, that there have not been more videos of mangled bodies made available to the public. I assiduously avoid images like that if they become available. I don't need to see it to be able to realize the horror, and to know we have to do something about it.

The people who need to see this stuff, perhaps Clockwork Orange-type viewing if necessary, is our Congress, especially the Republicans, who refuse to do anything to minimize the killings, when so many things can be done. And the American people, in large numbers, support basic things like universal background checks and banning assault weapons.

The GOP Congress won't hear the people and won't see the murders.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
32. Previously I suspect most people were so terrified and traumatized they didn't record the horrors.
Sun May 7, 2023, 01:29 AM
May 2023

That anyone thought to grab their phone and make a video after such a terrifying and horrific event is a symptom of how endemic these mass shootings have become here now.

I'm not advocating for the viewing of this video by the vast majority of people. I actually viewed it by accident. By the time my brain processed what my eyes were seeing there was no going back. Those who do need to see this horror won't see it or will twist themselves into a pretzel to blame it on anything other than the assault style weapon used.

Sadly, I believe those who are entrenched in the gun culture, be it for profit, power or because they've swallowed the whole NRA narrative hook, line and sinker, wouldn't be as horrified as I was. They live in a skewed version of the impact unfettered access to guns by so many has had on our society and their defense of the guns is akin to some form of cultish mindset at this point.

Captain Zero

(6,860 posts)
33. watch any of the single shooter games. all gamers are desensitized to it
Sun May 7, 2023, 04:23 AM
May 2023

maybe even the people in the gamers households who have seen the games being played.
desensitized. I think its a way to say no one gives a fuck.

RussBLib

(9,056 posts)
20. I think that would inspire even more mayhem.
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:37 PM
May 2023

Seeing blood and guts on TV all the time will desensitize many to the violence and will make others want to replicate it.

This has always been a rather tough country to live in, especially for women and people of color.

Seems like we've crossed some kind of line and insanity is spreading.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
21. It wont matter anyway in the end as this SC will do what they are told by
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:39 PM
May 2023

their owners, the Federalist Society.

But I want them to HAVE to look at it!

3catwoman3

(24,102 posts)
23. All gun humping politicians should be required...
Sat May 6, 2023, 09:50 PM
May 2023

…to go to the autopsies of those victims of the military assault weapons.

Most of them would probably puke or pass out.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
35. And while the SC will not allow a gun law anywhere in America, we might be able to shame
Sun May 7, 2023, 03:30 PM
May 2023

people into not buying less guns or something. unfortunately, as you know, because Hillary Clinton was not supported to the extent she deserved to be, we have a Supreme Court that will completely destroy this country for the next 20 or 30 years. Evidently the Democratic Party is not willing to increase the court or even talk about it even if they couldn't do it and didn't have the votes they won't even talk about it, I don't understand that.

Sympthsical

(9,176 posts)
24. They're circulating on Twitter
Sat May 6, 2023, 10:08 PM
May 2023

Was curious about the shooter's tattoo and got an inadvertent eyeful of the victims.

Not recommended generally.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,502 posts)
26. Why do you think making them look at dead bodies would change their minds?
Sat May 6, 2023, 10:20 PM
May 2023

Does seeing graphic anti-abortion images change your thinking about abortion?

dsc

(52,172 posts)
41. I have been saying this for years
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:08 PM
May 2023

We need a modern day Mamie Till to let us see what happens to children who are shot with these guns.

SYFROYH

(34,186 posts)
43. I think the gun controllers dream of shocking gun rights supporters with tragedy is not useful.
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:16 PM
May 2023

Dead bodies of mass shooting victims will just make them want more guns in public places.



sarisataka

(18,883 posts)
45. Do you really want
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:33 PM
May 2023

the BULLET RIDDLED BODIES of the 6 year olds family on every channel and website and YouTube?

He is the only survivor but he should see the graphic nature of his parents' and brother's death. Because maybe it will change a few minds?

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