Work requirements on SNAP Suck

[standingtall]

Reading this board there seems to be a whole lot of trying to polish a turd. Down playing the significance of it by stating that Biden carved out some more exemptions or Democrats can get rid of them once they get back the house. We have just entered into a slippery slope. The old work requirement age 49 directly coincided with Social Security disability grid rules. That after 49 if concluded you can longer do past work it is assumed you cannot transfer to any other line of work. The next logical step is to reform Social disability to conform to the raised work requirement age and the next logical step after that is to raise the retirement age. Unemployment rate as low as it's been in almost 50 or 60 years and we are letting republicans push work requirements. Come on now!


Don't believe for one second that future republicans rather a republican President or a future republican congress are not going to use
the fact that a Democratic President agreed to raising the age on work requirements as they continue to undermine social safety nets. Rinse and repeat the next time there is another Democrat as President and a republican congress there going to do this again. Even if Democrats manage to get back the house and undo this one. Biden should've gambled on invoking the 14th amendment and put an end
to republicans using the debt ceiling as a hostage once and for all before opening the door to this.

[niyad]

1. Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective. "Democrat President" is a

dead giveaway.

[standingtall]

4. So an innuendo

I made a typographical error of admission. I'll fix it for you.

[Demsrule86]

7. Did you make an error?

[standingtall]

8. Yeah I omitted the IC on Democratic President

I have edited now

[Demsrule86]

30. I see. I was nice did this. (Shudder).

It is sore spot as the right does it to insult us.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Heh!

[MutantAndProud]

2. 1970s mentality went into their design

That reality is simply gone, which makes the current ruleset largely disadvantageous to utilize… if you have any expectation of actually helping

Some of these systems are almost useless

Clarification: not the safety net concept itself, the rough edges and cutoffs, problems with the training programs etc etc

[NowISeetheLight]

3. Grid Rules

The Republican blueprint to save America already says they want to eliminate SS Grid Rules. They'd eliminate SSDI completely if they could get away with it.

[moniss]

21. They are the party

that went apoplectic when addiction was classified as a medical/mental health issue. They insisted addiction is nothing more than a "moral failing" and is simply the fault of the addict for having "weak moral character" etc. But addiction to money they have no problem with and in fact encourage that addiction at every turn.

[NowISeetheLight]

25. Morality

Everything is a "moral failing" to the Christofascists. Being gay, being a minority, being born poor and not making millions, getting sick even from genetic diseases, needing medication or any type of healthcare.

[emulatorloo]

6. Blaming Democrats For What Republicans Do. Unrec.

In case you missed it, Republicans won the house in the last midterm. Hang this around their necks and win the house back in 2024.

[Demsrule86]

14. Unrec here too. Biden did a great job.

[yardwork]

9. Then help ensure that fewer Republicans are elected.

Invoking the 14th in this case would have meant months of litigation, ultimately overturned by our friends the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, the global economy would have crashed.

The Democrats have barely one-half of one house of Congress. It's remarkable what Biden and our Party just achieved.

Didn't you realize what it meant when the Republicans took over the House?

Didn't you realize what would happen to the Supreme Court when Trump was elected?

We're in a battle for our democracy. The Republicans are willing to burn it all down. Stop complaining and get in there and fight! Elect more Democrats so we have the votes!

[betsuni]

19. +1

[Phoenix61]

10. Oh please... nt

[standingtall]

12. Is that best you got is to call me a troll?

Not a troll been a member of this site for 11 years. Voted for Biden and will again. That doesn't mean I have to like this horrible comprise he made with republicans.

[yardwork]

13. Then run for office and see if you can do better.

Stop whining.

[Demsrule86]

15. Right...

I take it you didn’t see what the House passed?

[standingtall]

16. As far I know it hasn't passed the house yet

Could it be or would it be worse if republicans got everything they wanted? Absolutely it would be? They wanted medicaid work requirements too. That doesn't seem to be part of the deal. So that's good, but it's pretty bad.

[NowISeetheLight]

26. Nothing is Petfect

They managed to preserve some of the green stuff, no medicaid work requirements, student loan stuff and infrastructure stuff. Biden preserved a lot of things that are part of his agenda. I agree to work requirement is awful... but that versus crashing the US economy I can accept. No one got everything they wanted.

The alternative was crashing everything. No Social Security checks, VA disability, federal government shutdown, not paying the military, 401ks and stock market plummeting and millions of jobs lost.

Politicians on the far right MagaT wing are upset and so are people on the far left progressive. I'd love to have gotten everything we wanted. At the end of the day I'm realistic. It wasn't going to happen and crashing the US economy is not an option.

Enough dems and repukes will vote for this for it to pass. The real question is how many people on the outside on each side will there be. I'm guessing the MagaT side will have a lot more people screaming.

[Autumn]

17. Yeah we can fix it later but later never seems to come.

[moniss]

18. Wealthiest nation

on the planet held hostage by a political party that feels no shame in having its' children living in cars, not having food and standing back and watching as its' veterans die homeless, sick and hungry on the street. Their outrage is for when any person of wealth is asked to help. Their feeling of compassion and protection is for their dark money donors.

[NowISeetheLight]

27. Sheep

Until the MagaT sheep get educated and start voting Democrat, the way it is. My belief is there are enough moderate Republicans (like I used to be) who will come around. Fanatical Christofacism like the right supports is not popular. Decisions like abortion restrictions aren't the majority view. As the right goes more toward ChristoTalibanism more people will shift toward the left. I believe it'll happen eventually.

[W_HAMILTON]

20. You think Republicans consider themselves bound by precedent? How adorable!

It's well past time to realize that if you don't want Republicans doing deplorable shit, do not let them win office. They do not need an excuse and do not need to cite "well, the Democrats did this once..." to explain away their deplorable shit. They lead a brainwashed cult and can say and do whatever with no repercussions from their cultists.

I would also point out that Republicans would need Democrats to pass any of what you fear and Democrats are not inclined to do so, absent a situation like this where the other option is a historic default and resulting devastation of our and the world's economy. Furthermore, if Democrats win back the House and retain the presidency and Senate in 2024, they can do away with the debt ceiling charade entirely (since if we win the Senate, odds are we will have done so without Manchin and Sinema, two that have prevented us from doing this already).

[standingtall]

23. We got to win back the House and Senate and retain the Presidency first

And hope that the potential Senators we get to offset Manchin and Sinema aren't like Manchin and Sinema. As well as reform the Supreme court by adding seats and probably add States too. Otherwise another situation like this will arise and the next time it will be worse.

[W_HAMILTON]

31. They won't be.

Odds are we won't get a Democratic Senator to replace Manchin, but we can get Gallego to replace Sinema, and that is a HUGE upgrade for Democratic ideals.

Even without Manchin, if Gallego wins and we retain all other Democratic Senate seats and Biden/Harris win reelection, we are basically back to where we were prior to Fetterman winning, except we won't have Manchin and Sinema mucking up our agenda any longer. It will be Gallego in their place and that would be INCREDIBLE.

[UCmeNdc]

22. You are 100% correct. This is a trap set by the Republicans on purpose.

But under the circumstances Biden did well. The problem is the Democratic politicians have to start learning how to set their own traps and start planning years ahead of time.

A debt default might have destroyed President Biden. A "he said she said" situation would have developed while the whole economy crashed. You could scream it is the Republican politician's fault but so much dirt would land back on President Biden that it would be crazy to guess just how it would turn out.

Now with this agreement and if McCarthy doesn't deliver the GOP vote, everyone including the MSM would have to place the blame for the economic devastation clearly on the GOP politicians. Why? Because the Democratic politicians did a compromise and upheld their side of the bargain. It all would be sweet smelling Roses as far as the MSM and everyday voter would see it if only the GOP had voted for the compromise agreed upon and raise the debt limit. So in a way President Biden has set a trap for the GOP now.

[Takket]

24. The concession made is a small bitter pill to swallow in comparision to the giant pill

that would have choked the economy to death. If you think expanding work requirements for a few years is bad, imagine what would have happened to the neediest people if the economy had collapsed around them and inflation exploded all over again.

Biden carved out protections for the homeless and veterans and the 14th was an unproven solution. Like launching a nuclear weapon but not knowing if the detonator would work. It was too great a risk and would have left everyone in limbo and terrified while SCOTUS made up its mind. The economy would still have suffered due to the uncertainty.

That being said, the 14th should STILL be brought to SCOTUS to give them the chance to throw out the debt ceiling BEFORE 2025

[standingtall]

28. About those homeless exemptions.

Their going to have to jump through hoops to get homeless letter verification's just to get snap and will probably have to do so repeatedly. Homeless shelters and soup kitchens are overbooked. Homeless people have to stand in lines for hours to get into these places if they get in at all. Now they have to just to get a letter to prove their homeless and there should've already been an exemption for homeless people anyway.

[Takket]

29. yeah, none of which makes the point I made any less salient.

Fortunately avoiding default spared the forecast 8 million job losses, which would have made those lines for food assistance even worse.