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Silent3

(15,909 posts)
Tue May 30, 2023, 09:17 PM May 2023

Lawrence O'Donnell really helps me appreciate the negotiating genius of Joe Biden

Beyond that, Biden apparently has a degree of patience and diplomacy working with these slimy Republicans I can't begin to imagine possessing.

Not anywhere enough of the American public appreciates Biden as much as he deserves, otherwise he'd be 20-30% higher in opinion polls and Trump would be in single digits.

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Lawrence O'Donnell really helps me appreciate the negotiating genius of Joe Biden (Original Post) Silent3 May 2023 OP
In an opposite universe. C_U_L8R May 2023 #1
I saw that when it first aired Silent3 May 2023 #3
Same here, I saw this episode when it first aired, it was hilarious and brilliant. Irish_Dem May 2023 #25
Classic. Thanks yonder May 2023 #12
first time I've seen it NJCher May 2023 #15
Biden uses the tendency to underestimate him.... Spazito May 2023 #2
ego and getting things done NJCher May 2023 #9
The negotiating partner Lawrence mentioned was... Spazito May 2023 #22
Yes, that's who NJCher May 2023 #23
You're very welcome! Spazito May 2023 #24
I look forward to his show every night... BigmanPigman May 2023 #4
Yes, Lawrence covers this White House PatSeg May 2023 #10
Last night I watched "FDR" on the History Channel BigmanPigman May 2023 #11
That is so true PatSeg May 2023 #16
I noticed how confident FDR was and he projected that so well. BigmanPigman May 2023 #17
Oh yes, his confidence PatSeg May 2023 #19
History will be good to Joe. Joinfortmill May 2023 #5
I certainly hope so! He deserves the respect and appreciation of generations. MLAA May 2023 #7
Presidents often look better when they are gone ITAL May 2023 #8
People expect a lot Tree Lady May 2023 #6
That was a good segment. n/ t ms liberty May 2023 #13
The adults are in charge. calimary May 2023 #14
Like many people who do their jobs extremely well... Beartracks May 2023 #18
frickin' Joe-jitsu😬👍🥳 bringthePaine May 2023 #20
Rhiannon has posted this Lawrence O'Donnell segment in the video forum: liberalla May 2023 #21

NJCher

(38,424 posts)
15. first time I've seen it
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:15 PM
May 2023

the idea of a Reagan who knew what was going on and was devious and cunning (and hardworking!) is hilarious.

This guy has Reagan down, what with all the head doddering. If only he were a bit taller. The hair was perfect.

The Jimmy Stewart old buddy part made me laugh, too. "you've changed, Dutch!"

That was fun. Glad you posted it. I'm sending it around to all my Reagan hater friends. Believe it or not, there's one who hates Reagan more than Trump!

Spazito

(54,954 posts)
2. Biden uses the tendency to underestimate him....
Tue May 30, 2023, 09:25 PM
May 2023

to his advantage. He's done it before and did it again in this negotiation. Unlike so many others, he cares nothing about getting credit and, instead, cares deeply for getting the best results possible for the American people, imo.

NJCher

(38,424 posts)
9. ego and getting things done
Tue May 30, 2023, 10:37 PM
May 2023
he cares nothing about getting credit

I saw the show and remember that remark which applied not only to Biden but his right hand negotiating partner who has been doing negotiations for decades. I can't recall his name now and it's driving me nutz not to remember it. Italian surname? He is a strong asset to Democrats.

A few days ago there was a brief profile on him and how he, too, doesn't care about getting credit.

A person can do a lot when they're not fighting for the limelight and getting a big power boost to their ego.
Did you hear that, Donald Trump?

No? Doesn't matter. Whoosh!

Spazito

(54,954 posts)
22. The negotiating partner Lawrence mentioned was...
Wed May 31, 2023, 06:46 AM
May 2023

Steve Ricchetti, counselor to the president. Here's some info on him:

"The 66 year-old from Westlake, Ohio has long been a confidant in Biden’s orbit. Ricchetti currently serves as a counselor to the president, and chaired Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign. Richetti also served as chief of staff for then-Vice President Biden from 2013-2017.

Ricchetti is a fixture in Washington, serving as deputy chief of staff and deputy assistant to the president for legislative affairs during Bill Clinton's administration. He also spent nearly a decade as a registered lobbyist on Capitol Hill..

This isn’t the first time Biden has tapped Richetti to head to the hill to cut a deal. Back in 2021, Richetti played a huge role in crafting the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure law with since-retired Sen. Robert Portman, R-Ohio, according to POLITICO."

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/05/24/who-are-the-key-negotiators-on-the-debt-limit

NJCher

(38,424 posts)
23. Yes, that's who
Wed May 31, 2023, 07:41 AM
May 2023

Now I have a memory aid so I won’t forget: rich-etti. The irony of such a low profile guy.

Thanks, spazito!

BigmanPigman

(52,466 posts)
4. I look forward to his show every night...
Tue May 30, 2023, 09:28 PM
May 2023

He cuts through the BS and explains things so that even a moron like me can sort of understand what's going on.

PatSeg

(49,756 posts)
10. Yes, Lawrence covers this White House
Tue May 30, 2023, 10:41 PM
May 2023

and congress in a very informative, yet interesting way. His appreciation of Biden's experience and many skills is always reassuring and enlightening.

Lawrence explained the debt ceiling negotiations so much better than anyone else. Though I don't think I could explain it clearly to anyone else, at least I now have a better understanding than I did before. And of course, Biden and his team were absolutely brilliant. They were playing chess to McCarthy's checkers. I think Kevin just wants it all to be over with.

I only hope that some day the rest of the world will see what we see. We are witnessing a historic presidency that may not be appreciated until later down the road.

BigmanPigman

(52,466 posts)
11. Last night I watched "FDR" on the History Channel
Tue May 30, 2023, 10:53 PM
May 2023

since they are running a series this week for this new special. I kept thinking about Biden and now he, like FDR, wants to genuinely help people compared to the GOP. During the Depression Republicans and Libertarians said people should help themselves and charities would do the trick. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

PatSeg

(49,756 posts)
16. That is so true
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:17 PM
May 2023

The same elements still exist and we see history repeating itself.

Yes, I think Joe is our FDR and I believe he sees himself that way. He is a true idealist, and like FDR, he is also a pragmatist. He really does know how to get things done.

At times I'm a bit critical of some on the far left, not because I disagree with them, but because they pay a lot of lip service to their goals with little understanding as to how to achieve those goals. They thought Joe was an old school moderate and he is the one who is making their lofty goals reality. Much like FDR actually. (I've been wrong about a lot of things throughout my life, but I was spot-on about Biden years ago and he's exceeded my expectations.)

I remember Ken Burns miniseries about the Roosevelts on PBS. I watched it more than once. It was absolutely fascinating. I'll have to look for "FDR" on the History Channel.

BigmanPigman

(52,466 posts)
17. I noticed how confident FDR was and he projected that so well.
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:24 PM
May 2023

He was willing to take chances, make mistakes, accept his losses amd go forward. The population was boosted by his confident and positive attitude and they WANTED to help him to help them.

I saw the Ken Burns special and loved it!!!!! I can watch anything about the Roosevelts over and over and learn something new each time.

PatSeg

(49,756 posts)
19. Oh yes, his confidence
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:14 AM
May 2023

and uplifting message gave so many people hope. And to think that he projected all that positive energy from a wheelchair. His actual accomplishments were extraordinary. He wasn't all talk. I'm not sure that any president was equal to him.

Did you see Warm Springs on HBO? I've watched it three or four times, maybe more.

ITAL

(907 posts)
8. Presidents often look better when they are gone
Tue May 30, 2023, 10:30 PM
May 2023

I remember David McCullough telling a story once about his dad hating Truman when he was in office, but a few years later being nostalgic because Harry could "give'em hell."

Tree Lady

(12,205 posts)
6. People expect a lot
Tue May 30, 2023, 10:23 PM
May 2023

And everyone wants something different. We all have priorities and Joe knows he can't make everyone happy. With republicans he doesn't try to make them happy just tries to stay sane and watch them go nuts.

calimary

(84,823 posts)
14. The adults are in charge.
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:14 PM
May 2023

Not a week goes by that I'm not even more impressed by President Biden. He's better than I ever expected him to be! I guess all those years in the Senate and eight more as VP really made a difference.

Beartracks

(13,631 posts)
18. Like many people who do their jobs extremely well...
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:46 PM
May 2023

... you can't always see it because most of it's not flashy.

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