So this gave me pause...

[PCIntern]

So last week I was watching one of those Luc Besson spy thrillers, and one of the characters had a briefcase full of classified documents. The cover pages were marked secret and top-secret, but the colored border, at least the red one that I noticed, extended all the way out to the edge of the paper.

It got me thinking that the pages the Trump had had a white border around the colored edges and I do recall that someone here mentioned that that happens with the copy machine, or that it can happen with a copy machine. If this is true, then the originals are already gone, possibly all of them . It may will be that the government does not want to state publicly that this is the case for a variety of reasons and it reminds me of the people who sat in chairs outside of Air Force bases, and watched the B2 bomber come and go, even though the government never acknowledged its existence until years later. .

I for one believe that he had prearranged the sale of documents, which he stole from the White House, and negotiated them immediately, because any delay would tend to devalue the information present in these classified documents. Again in the movies, the character always says “the latest intelligence states that…“. That’s the stuff you want… The latest intelligence.

Obviously, the powers that be know what’s going on here. I think they have deliberately uninformed us for many many reasons, most of them probably valid. Others, not so much.

[LoisB]

1. It would not surprise me if the Orange Menace was selling documents while he had his fat ass

flopped in the Oval Office.

[2naSalit]

7. I feel confident that...

He was, from the day that rat bastard let the russians in the Oval Office.

[FarPoint]

8. I'm sure there is also a watermark and a few other details

tRump's gang didn't know were on the original documents....I believe he made good copies and would want to sell them too....sugessting indeed I believe he sold several for a price.

[2naSalit]

10. Yup. ...nt

[LoisB]

13. I could not agree with you more. They probably gave him a list of what they wanted and he told

them where to park the payments.

[2naSalit]

14. Pretty much how I imagine it.

[aggiesal]

22. It was reported some time ago that they found ...

digitized classified documents on computers @ M-A-L.
https://politizoom.com/trump-laptop-terror-trump-aide-digitized-classified-info-on-thumb-drive-laptop-twitter-stunned/

So even if he returned classified documents or taken from him during the search warrants, I'm sure he still has digitized copies at the ready & up for sale.

[LoisB]

25. Right! I forgot about this.

[republianmushroom]

2. 28 months and counting

[Racygrandma]

3. My sister used to work with classified documents

So I texted her and asked her about the borders and could you tell if it was a copy. She just said "the borders are classified". She is very tight lipped. So I think it is true, one of the documents in the famous Maralago photo is a copy. She also said if she did what Trump did she would be in Lansing.

[PCIntern]

4. Interesting...

My mom who was very open and outspoken worked at the Philadelphia Naval shipyard during World War II and she would never discuss anything from then. Even though it was 55 years later. Her reasoning was she signed the document which said she would never discuss it and so she won’t and she would add, “you don’t need to know because it has nothing to do with you.”

[2naSalit]

11. +1

I have signed such documents that silence me from discussing certain things for life.

[Tumbulu]

23. me too

and now I am just forgetting them.

[2naSalit]

26. Right?

I can't remember what I was supposed to forget!

[Tumbulu]

31. good one!

[RaspberryMuffin]

19. Sae here

My mom was stationed in Norfolk during World War II and she specifically worked with war secrets. She also refused to discuss her work for the same reasons.

[Grins]

24. Unless you are released from it, you must remain silent forever.

Told intel friend of mine the other night I had a secret clearance and got a briefing on a weapon system in the Army back in the early 70’s.

Two years later what was secret was now in advertising by the manufacturer! So I mentioned it to our S-2 who told me even if they do it - YOU CAN’T!

My Intel friend told me: “You still can’t.”

And we laughed!

[FakeNoose]

5. If it's true that top secret documents have the red border on top of every page

... I believe the Feds would have asked the movie producers to remove it from the script. Since it wasn't removed, maybe it's just a flight of fancy and not a true detail about US top secrets. Makes for some interesting speculation though.

[usonian]

6. If anyone but one person is suspected of mishandling classified documents, they would be jailed

IMMEDIATELY and all their property (I said ALL) seized and searched. See below.

The ONLY legitimate reason I can think of for the unbelievable delays is that an indictment might further compromise sources and so on, but THAT CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG.

Oh, "equal" justice inaction (sic)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/politics/jack-teixeira-detention-hearing/index.html
Pentagon leaks suspect to remain detained as he awaits trial

Jack Teixeira, the Air National Guardsman who is accused of posting a trove of classified documents to social media, will be detained while he awaits trial, a federal judge ruled Friday while saying the suspect has a “lack of integrity.”

Magistrate Judge David Hennessy had been considering whether Teixeira would continue to be held behind bars for weeks, as prosecutors and defense lawyers repeatedly battled over whether the 21-year-old Massachusetts native posed a continued threat to national security.

“What the record at this point shows is a profound breach of the defendant’s word that he would protect information and the security of the United States and its allies,” Hennessy said during a hearing Friday.

THIS IS A PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF TRAITOR-45
DOES THIS APPLY ONLY TO POOR SLOBS?
WTF ABOUT RICH SLOBS? WTF? WTF?

[2naSalit]

27. +1

[mopinko]

9. there was a big kos thread about this recently. i believe u r correct.

if u look, 1 of the yellow doc covers from that photo does have the ‘bleed’. but you cant do a bleed on an office printer. it does appear all the other document covers r copies.

[bluesbassman]

12. The bottom line is Trump believes he is special and above the law.

His "victory" in '16, although I'm quite convinced that his getting in the race was purely promotional, came as a surprise to him. However once he realized that he had won, his narcissism and greed took control and he believed everything belonged to him or was under his control. Although he's a shit businessman and negotiator, he surely felt that the job offered him the opportunity to turn a profit wherever one could be found. Wouldn't even be a shock to learn he had literally sold or traded away classified secrets right from the Resolute desk on one of his personal or burner phones.

[2naSalit]

28. And so far...

He has been.

[bringthePaine]

15. soundly reasoned🧐

[pandr32]

16. Paragraph 3 is 100%

[nuxvomica]

17. Here;s another thread on the red borders

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217949927

[Richard D]

18. Not to mention . . .

2 billion from the Saudi's gift to Kushner. A bit more than pocket change.

[live love laugh]

20. Idiots too stupid to keep the originals. It's the small things that get you.

[jaxexpat]

21. The PTB hold all the cards. Some are elected while others are not.

".....they have deliberately uninformed us for many many reasons,....."

for many years
in many ways
with many motivations
under many scenarios
through many crises
out of spite
out of pity
out of desperation
supporting many ideologies

[alwaysinasnit]

29. I'm reminded of the chatter some years ago about tfg personally guaranteeing a bunch of loans

that would be due in a few years. He doesn't seem to be hurting for $$$ anymore. I've got to wonder exactly where tfg got the $$$ to resolve that problem, especially because he is paying a phenomenal amount on lawyers.

[Nevilledog]

30. No doubt the silence is partly to not freak out other countries who share intelligence w/us

Or at least they used to share. If trump wins I can't imagine anyone being willing to share classified level info with the US. Our national security will be destroyed.

[Liberal In Texas]

32. I think that it is naive to think that he hasn't had these documents copied.

I can't imagine that the buyer would care if the document is a copy or the original.

Also, I wonder if the gov't doesn't use copy-proof paper on secret documents.

Otherwise known as copy-proof paper or anti-copy paper, security paper employs certain attributes to prevent it from being copied or scanned.
from:https://www.thepapermillstore.com/security-paper#:~:text=Otherwise%20known%20as%20copy%2Dproof,from%20being%20copied%20or%20scanned.

Obviously, even copy-proof paper documents could be photographed with even a cellphone camera and the jpgs could be printed.

Probably the feds have more information they're not making public.