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orleans

(36,673 posts)
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:20 AM Jun 2023

olbermann: "I AM ONLY SORRY TRUMP'S IS NOT A CAPITAL CASE - 6.10.23"

podcast -- worth hearing
if you don't have apple just click on the play button to listen

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/id1633301179



A SPECIAL TRUMP INDICTMENT WEEKEND EDITION; EPISODE 224: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN


A-Block (1:41) SPECIAL COMMENT: I am sorry only sorry the 37 counts in the indictment of Donald Trump is not a capital case. It is that bad, and he will remain a threat to every man, woman and child in this country as long as he lives. Worse yet, the running joke yesterday was Trump spilled all of our secrets - on the floor at Mar-a-Lago. How could all of the foreign spy organizations have NOT stolen them?


How do we know they didn't?


How can we be certain?


“The classified documents Trump stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries,” reads the indictment. The next sentence is worse. Trump had documents detailing “United States nuclear programs.” There are references to a document about American nuclear weaponry and another about another country’s nuclear capacity. The next sentence is WORSE. He had “potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack.” The next sentence is WORSE. He had America’s “plans for possible retaliation to a FOREIGN attack.” All that keeps us safe from countries that still harbor dreams of attacking this country – North Korea, Russia, maybe China… all that could have ENABLED those countries to transform those dreams into battle plans… all of that, Donald Trump stole and kept. And kept near the club pool. And near the liquor supply closet. And other documents were kept in the bathroom, next to the toilet.


It. Is. That. Bad.


It is as bad as the Rosenbergs, as bad as the other nuclear spies of the 1950’s, as bad as Rick Ames and Robert Hannssen. It is, in fact, worse.



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olbermann: "I AM ONLY SORRY TRUMP'S IS NOT A CAPITAL CASE - 6.10.23" (Original Post) orleans Jun 2023 OP
Not as bad as the Rosenbergs, Ames, or Hanssen, much worse. PufPuf23 Jun 2023 #1
I miss Keith Olbermann on the air. calimary Jun 2023 #2
omg -- used to watch his show every night with my mom orleans Jun 2023 #6
That's a mighty nice memory. Thanks for sharing it! calimary Jun 2023 #7
"War plans" given to a foreign national would potentially allow for a capitol case. Starfury Jun 2023 #3
Wait for all the details to come out. nt eppur_se_muova Jun 2023 #4
IMO, better that he slowly fade away in prison. Model35mech Jun 2023 #5
How 'bout the South Pole. Fitting for his cold heart. calimary Jun 2023 #8
Exile like Napoleon hardluck Jun 2023 #9
send him to a tropical island? Conjuay Jun 2023 #10

PufPuf23

(9,708 posts)
1. Not as bad as the Rosenbergs, Ames, or Hanssen, much worse.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:28 AM
Jun 2023

Trump should be in custody now for public safety.

That is our responsibility to the World at this point.

I don't know the answer, a spectator at this point in life.

But Trump and the idiot GOP are casting shade for an even worse future.

calimary

(89,041 posts)
2. I miss Keith Olbermann on the air.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:27 AM
Jun 2023

Really looked forward to his nightly “Countdown” program. I’ve heard he was a bear to work with.

But I still feel robbed.

orleans

(36,673 posts)
6. omg -- used to watch his show every night with my mom
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 11:03 PM
Jun 2023

and if i was working & didn't get home in time she'd tell me i had to watch his show on the rerun.
we'd watch rachel.
then i'd stream mike malloy.
i can't remember -- maybe olbermann rerun came on after malloy's show ended?
most of the time she'd stay up and watch the rerun with me

when my mom died i couldn't focus on anything for a long time. i remember eventually trying to watch keith & then rachel but i couldn't concentrate and my heart wasn't in it. (her chair was empty and .. that was the only thing that seemed to matter.)

but we spent hours together watching & listening & talking about everything.

and she'd always ask me to make her popcorn during malloy's show.
"i'll share it with you" she'd say. some nights i'd have some, some nights i'd pass. but i never hesitated making it for her.

calimary

(89,041 posts)
7. That's a mighty nice memory. Thanks for sharing it!
Sun Jun 11, 2023, 12:50 AM
Jun 2023

It's always pretty doggone wonderful when you reach the point of being able to share something with a parent and the dynamic has shifted to your both being on more of an equal footing.

Starfury

(856 posts)
3. "War plans" given to a foreign national would potentially allow for a capitol case.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:46 AM
Jun 2023

It's not part of this indictment unfortunately, but if it were...

18 U.S. Code § 794 (a):

(a) Whoever, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof, either directly or indirectly, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, note, instrument, appliance, or information relating to the national defense, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power (as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy.


People keep reporting on Trump bragging about having a document detailing a potential attack plan vs. Iran. (Probably what Keith's alluding to.) Sounds like a "war plan" to me. If he provided that document to a foreign national (or even just attempted to do so), then that potentially puts the death penalty on the table. (Note: I'm not expecting that to happen, just pointing out a potential avenue. I am not a lawyer.)

My day dream is Trump giving/copying that document for Kushner who then provides it to a certain Saudi prince in exchange for a couple billion dollars. That would give us a twofer...
 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
5. IMO, better that he slowly fade away in prison.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:07 AM
Jun 2023

The ignomy of such an impoverished and media starved ending is really exactly what he deserves

PLEASE, NO MARTYR'S OPTION.

Still this doesn't mean I can't wish his ashes to be lost upon the seas, outside of the territorial boundaries of the nation he betrayed.

Conjuay

(2,900 posts)
10. send him to a tropical island?
Sun Jun 11, 2023, 06:38 AM
Jun 2023

No.

Remember the barge to nowhere back in the eighties - (“Mobro”) now THAT would be perfect

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