BREAKING: Trump can't find a lawyer to handle the arraignment. (NBC)

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[honest.abe]

1. This is just the first step in the delay strategy.

[WestMichRad]

19. The cynic in me thinks the two lawyers who quit last week...

… was an intentional part of the delay strategy.

Assign him a public defender and proceed with the arraignment, I say.

[honest.abe]

22. I was thinking that too.

[brooklynite]

28. Not eligible for for a PD.

He can afford a local lawyer; just doesn’t want to hire one.

[Ocelot II]

39. And maybe nobody wants to work for him.

The Clue Bird has finally shat on the lawyers.

[Sgent]

75. There aren't that many

federal criminal defense attorneys in S FL with a security clearance. Apparently at least one prominent local firm turned him down, and more than a few are probably conflicted out. It may not be as easy as people think.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

97. You do realize this isn't the trial...right?

It's an arraignment, basically judicial paperwork. That process will not deal with the evidence at all, only the charges.

So a lawyer doesn't need a clearance to do this one little task.

Sheesh.

I have it on good authority that most Americans have watched at least one episode of Law and Order. They show the arraignment process, all the time. I don't even watch TV, and I know that much.

[onenote]

40. The two lawyers that quit were DC based and wouldn't have handled the arraignment anyway

The issue is that Trump doesn't have a local, Florida-based lawyer. He has counsel to represent him in the classified documents case, Todd Blanche, who replaced the Trusty and Rowley (the lawyers that quit), but that guy isn't admitted to practice in Florida either.

So the fact Trusty and Rowley quit is not part of a delay strategy.

[WestMichRad]

43. Thanks for the clarification!

[Buckeyeblue]

71. It's federal court, why does he need local representation?

[onenote]

78. Because each federal district court sets its own rules.

And like most, the Southern District of Florida requires that attorneys appearing before the court be admitted to practice before the court. They all allow an attorney not admitted to practice before that particular district court to seek permission to do so on a "pro hac vice" (for this time only) basis. Some district courts no longer require the attorney seeking admission to be sponsored by a co-counsel who has been admitted to practice before the court, but only require an application providing information about the attorney's membership in good standing of any other US court or the highest court in a state, along with various other pieces of information. However, Florida still requires pro hac vice motions to be submitted by a member of the court's bar on behalf of the requesting attorney.

[DENVERPOPS]

59. You can bet

if they assign him a public defender, and he is found guilty, he will claim "in-adequate legal representation" to have the guilty verdict nullified and start a whole new trial all over again in order to delay and drag this out forever.....

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

98. Good luck trying that with whoever stands in for him

At an arraignment. This is not the trial. He only needs some local pipsqueak attorney to come in for 15-20 minutes and process his plea and any bail/release requirements.

That's it.

Anyone with a law license can do that.

[emulatorloo]

20. " the surrender and first appearance will still happen" per the story.

[honest.abe]

21. Yes, but if the arraignment is delayed that will delay everything else including the trial.

Correct?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

99. Not for long

He'll be charged and bail set, sooner rather than later. He won't get chances to delay and delay it for very long. Judges don't like it when you waste their time over a simple administrative process like charging someone, getting their plea, and then setting bail terms.

[wnylib]

66. +1,000,000

Give hm a deadline and if he still doesn't have an attorney, appoint a public defender to handle his case.

[Midnight Writer]

73. How long before he pulls out a doctor's letter about his bone spurs?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

100. No arraignment judge will give a crap about that

I was at an arraignment once where a guy had killed his wife, then fought the cops when they arrested him for it. He was banged up and bloody, looked like he'd gotten some stitches and some broken bones--

And he was still there at that arraignment.

If that scumbag had to show up to enter his plea, then Fatty McDumbArse can put up with his bone spurs long enough to get charged and make his plea.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Keep him in custody until he has representation to bail him out

That will make his delay tactic disappear in an instant.

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Exactly. He says in jail until he gets a lawyer or public defender. You just need to do that once.

.

Then he'll know that card can't be played anymore.

.

[wnylib]

68. I like how you think.

[GoodRaisin]

77. Like "the little people". nt

[Peacetrain]

94. This!!!

[Marius25]

6. The Supreme Court ruled you have no legal redress if your Miranda rights are violated

by cops.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

23. Miranda Rights were not overturned.

What was overturned by the Supremes was being able to sue if they don't read you those rights. Big difference.

You still have a right to an attorney.

[Marius25]

31. I don't consider it a big difference. Even the ACLU says it strips people's civil rights

and the ability for redress. Look at the Vega case in question. Tekoh was blatantly denied his rights, and was brutally interrogated illegally, and has no recourse to address the violation.

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/supreme-court-rejects-promise-miranda-rights

By denying people whose rights are violated the ability to seek redress under our country’s most important civil rights statute, the court has further widened the gap between the guarantees found in the Bill of Rights and the people’s ability to hold government officials accountable for violating them.

Here is Justice Kagan's scathing dissent:

“Today, the Court strips individuals of the ability to seek a remedy for violations of the right recognized in Miranda. The majority observes that defendants may still seek ‘the suppression at trial of statements obtained’ in violation of Miranda’s procedures. But sometimes, such a statement will not be suppressed. And sometimes, as a result, a defendant will be wrongly convicted and spend years in prison. He may succeed, on appeal or in habeas, in getting the conviction reversed. But then, what remedy does he have for all the harm he has suffered? The point of § 1983 is to provide such redress—because a remedy ‘is a vital component of any scheme for vindicating cherished constitutional guarantees.’ The majority here, as elsewhere, injures the right by denying the remedy.”

[WestMichRad]

25. That's not entirely true.

A SCOTUS ruling last year said “law enforcement officers may not be sued for damages under federal civil rights law for failing to issue the Miranda Warning to suspects.” They didn’t say that a Miranda warning wasn’t necessary. Yet.

https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/miranda-rights

[brooklynite]

30. And this has nothing to do with the right to an attorney.

[Marius25]

35. I clarified my post.

It still effectively eliminates civil redress for Miranda violations so cops can abuse it.

[WestMichRad]

36. Agreed

[obamanut2012]

27. What? No, they did not

[brooklynite]

29. Wrong

If you do not have AND cannot afford one.

He has no right to a PD.

[Marius25]

4. Force him to use a public defender

I'm so fed up with this guy abusing the justice system and getting away with it.

[Raven]

5. Why can't he represent himself? I'd sell tickets to that!

[gratuitous]

17. I'm sure the former guy thinks he knows more about the law than any 10 lawyers

Everybody is amazed that he knows this stuff.

[llmart]

26. One of his ex-clients came up to him with tears in his eyes...

thanking him profusely for representing him.

[tavernier]

57. The tears were from the smell of ammonia

in his pissy diaper.

[llmart]

82. LOL

So true.

I wish he'd stop using up our precious oxygen and take a dirt nap.

[Wild blueberry]

7. Then let him use a public defender

We can see through his stalling ploy.

[TheBlackAdder]

10. Really! He should experience what millions of other Americans had to rely on.

[treestar]

107. Only for those who cannot afford a lawyer

TFG does not qualify. His problem is no one wants to represent him, given his reputation and attitude.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

8. My guess...DELAY indefinitely on the Documents case...

Assign a Public Defender, as is stated in the reading of Miranda.

Then bring on the other indictments for January 6th and State of Georgia.

[Freethinker65]

9. Trump obviously did find an attorney telling him how to delay the arraignment.

Media should call around seeing if they can find anyone willing to represent Trump with the proper security clearance and jurisdiction.

[Beachnutt]

13. Let's take up a collection and

hire him an attorney.

[Siwsan]

14. Well then, he'd 'Better Call Saul'

Unless, of course, Alan Dershowitz is available.

[kskiska]

15. Maybe Tiffany could take her bar exam.

[FelineOverlord]

16. One of the lawyers he spoke with with has already been indicted 😂😂😂

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[intrepidity]

32. "I would love to do it" ewww who in their right mind says or thinks this? nt

[FelineOverlord]

41. That particular lawyer though the case against Trump was "weak"

🙄

[ProfessorGAC]

83. Dead On

I was going to post that, but you already did.
I read that piece, too.
Methinks he isn't the lawyer he thinks he is

[Vinca]

18. Better call Saul.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

24. Maybe he should pay his attorneys.

[Stuart G]

34. That would be a fine first step in this show..."Stay tune for more delays" ...Yes more are coming.

Wanna take a bet on that one?

[honest.abe]

33. It appears he can delay the proceedings legally.

If a defendant has not retained an attorney by their arraignment date, they must personally appear, and should advise the court they are looking for an attorney, and ask that a plea of not guilty be entered.

Most judges will then set the case of a Determination of Counsel hearing, which is a subsequent hearing intended to allow a defendant enough time to obtain an attorney.

https://www.hornsby.com/criminal/procedure/arraignment.html#:~:text=If%20a%20defendant%20has%20not,of%20not%20guilty%20be%20entered

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

101. Once he's entered his plea

The clock for the trial starts ticking.

Nothing there says that not having representation at an arraignment delays the trial.

Where does it say that it would?

[Jirel]

37. I think Rudy can handle this.

Let him ask DeSatan to do the paperwork for him to handle the arraignment pro hac vice under his supervision.

[SWBTATTReg]

38. Good grief. You know a client is pretty bad when no one, I repeat, no one wants him as a client,

despite all of his supposed money.

Isn't that nice, for Karma? I love the way this works. Instead of celebrating book tours (his books), and going on ex-presidential trips across the Country or the world, and being received as a visiting dignitary, he's being shunned, scorned, and ridiculed. And all for what?

No wonder the fake hairdo guy declared bankruptcy so much, mentally and financially.

[LiberalFighter]

42. Isn't Jonathan Turley available?

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. So on Friday, after the indictment is announced, Trusty and Rowley resign at "a logical moment"

and on Monday, he says he can't get a lawyer?

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/trump-lawyers-quit-classified-documents-case.html

Were Trusty, Rowley, and Blanche (who the article says was still representing him) all unqualified for Florida? Was there no Florida lawyer on his team? Since he lives in Florida, and the case about the documents had already been in Florida courts (in front of Cannon), wasn't that a deliberate omission?

[onenote]

48. Trusty and Rowley quitting is irrelevant.

They are DC-based lawyers, not admitted to practice before the Southern District of Florida.

The rules of the Southern District expressly state that "only" attorneys admitted to practice before the district court of the Southern District of Florida may appear before the court as attorneys. There is an exception for attorneys who are not admitted to practice before the court but obtain special admission on a "pro hac vice" basis. However, for an out-of-district attorney to be admitted on a pro hac vice basis, a motion must be filed on behalf of that attorney by a "co-counsel" who himself or herself is a member in good standing of the bar of the SD Florida.

In the special master case, Trusty and Rowley appeared on a pro hac vice basis on the motion of their co-counsel, a Florida lawyer, Lindsey Hannigan. Not sure why she isn't able to represent him at the arraignment, but (speculating) it might have something to do with the fact that she conceivably could be a witness.

[muriel_volestrangler]

64. Thanks - seems like MSNBC should be explaining that

and mentioning Hannigan. Good to know DU has the expertise, even if cable media doesn't ...

[claudette]

45. And again

The orange criminal wins. They should provide a public defender. Isn’t that the way any other criminal would be treated

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

102. How did he win anything? According to FL law,

If he doesn't have a lawyer by the arraignment, then he gets to enter a plea of not guilty.

With the plea on the record, the trial clock starts ticking at that moment.

[claudette]

106. And that's

a good thing 😊

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. Trump will be meeting with lawyer Ben Kuehne today? Perfect match!

Link to tweet

[honest.abe]

47. So from what I have been reading, typically a defendant would be incarcerated...

during the time they are looking for a lawyer following first appearance for arraignment if they can afford a lawyer but simply have not produced one by the arraignment date.

Can some legal type DUer confirm that? Thanks.

[sakabatou]

49. If you're a shitty client, no lawyer will want you

[Mr. Ected]

50. So how long is a reasonable time for him to secure acceptable counsel?

In other words, what is worst case scenario on a delay in arraignment?

And who will make that call? Lucy Cannon?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

104. Sigh

You don't get to delay an arraignment. Not in FL.

If he doesn't have an attorney by the day of arraignment, then FL law automatically lets him make a plea of Not Guilty. What they do after that regarding any bail/release terms, I'm not sure. But his plea will go into the record, with or without an attorney there.

And the trial clock starts ticking.

[BlackSkimmer]

51. I'm glad to hear he still has to appear.

What's that popular saying? "If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you..."?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

55. Ostensibly he can afford one nt

[dalton99a]

52. Trump knows how to play the court system like a fiddle

[onenote]

54. Interesting: Why isn't Lindsey Halligan representing him at the arriagnment

She was present at the search of Mar-a-Lago and was local counsel in the lawsuit he brought challenging the search warrant and seeking a special master.

As recently as a week ago, she was part of the team of lawyers that met with the special counsel's office. I suppose there could be an issue of her representing him in court if she might be called as a witness, but her past involvement hasn't stopped her from representing him in the run-up to the indictment being issued.

[jmowreader]

56. So he scores another first

First president to appear in propria persona at his espionage trial.

Listen folks, there is absolutely no requirement that you go to court with a lawyer. You are completely entitled to represent yourself in court - and Trump may have to do that. If he does the YouTube videos will also go down in history as the ones that knocked “Gangnam Style” off its perch as the fastest video to hit 1 billion views.

[sarcasmo]

60. Public Defender, like everyone else who can't find a lawyer.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

61. Where are all the lawyers?

Link to tweet

[Cha]

80. Love It.. TY!!

[Orrex]

62. Assign him a public defender. Problem solved.

If it's good enough for some bottom-feeding drug dealer in my town, it's good enough for Trump.

[keithbvadu2]

63. Rudy is available. Only $20k per day.

Get it in advance, Rudy.

[Fla Dem]

65. Why wouldn't he get a court appointed attorney?

Gee if it was that easy to avoid an arraignment everyone would say they couldn't get an attorney.

[Buns_of_Fire]

67. Okay, first delay noted.

So how long before the judge says "Look, assface. You're jerking us around. Come in here with counsel on (date certain) or..."

Or what?

[ancianita]

69. So Blanche doesn't have a license to practice in Florida? Huh. I'll be damned.

[onenote]

79. Probably not. And he would have to be admitted to practice before the Southern District of Florida

It's not enough simply to be licensed to practice in Florida. You also must apply for and be admitted to practice before the specific court.

Here's more detail on the admission process in the Southern District of Florida:

https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/admission-practice#:~:text=Pursuant%20to%20Rule%201%20of,standing%20of%20The%20Florida%20Bar.

[republianmushroom]

70. appoint a public defender.

Problem solved. So there is no problem right.

[Midnight Writer]

72. "Where is my Roy Cohn?" Maybe he can get Michael Cohen.

[calguy]

74. So you're telling us....

that criminal justice isn’t just like the movies where Cousin Vinny shows up and wins the case?

[ShazzieB]

76. I can easily believe there aren't many criminal attorneys who want to deal with Trump.

Easily. He's obviously the worst client in the world, for a long list of reasons. As suspicious as this looks, I can't discount the possibility that he's genuinely having trouble lining up a lawyer who's admitted to the bar in Florida. I hope he gets one lined up today.

In any case, appointing a public defender is not a solution to this. Those are for people who can't afford an attorney, not people who are so obnoxious that no lawyer wants to work with them. Besides, public defenders are paid with taxpayer dollars. Making the American people pay for that clown's legal representation would be an outrage.

[Cha]

81. Also maybe the lawyers who

could rep him in Florida don't want their reputations sullied besides Dt being an impossible client?

[ShazzieB]

91. Exactly.

Everyone knows how strong the case against him. There's a lot someone could lose by taking on his defense, and very little to gain.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

84. isnt' Jared an attorney?

[Hekate]

85. Appoint a public defender

[brooklynite]

86. How many people posted "give him a public defender" without reading the thread?

You are NOT entitled to a PD if you can afford to hire an attorney.

[honest.abe]

87. So is this some massive loophole in our justice system??

If you have the financial means, you can just say I cant find an attorney and delay things indefinitely?

[brooklynite]

88. Not aware that anyone is using this argument.

[honest.abe]

90. So what happens if It shows up tomorrow without an attorney??

[Emile]

89. Stall tactic, lock him up until the arraignment!

[ecstatic]

92. Any updates?

I'm out of the country. Hard to keep up with everything!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

103. Thought I read a magistrate would stand in ? What

Country are you in, out of curiosity.? Do they hate TFG?

[ecstatic]

109. Santo Domingo Dominican Republic. Zero interest so far.

Nobody has mentioned it or weighed in.

[bluestarone]

93. I just gotta ask here.

If it were one of us, that were in the same predicament, what would be the judges decision?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

95. "Are you licensed to practice in the Southern District of Florida?"

Link to tweet

[W_HAMILTON]

108. LOL

[NowISeetheLight]

96. What Lawyer

What lawyer who cares about his reputation would want to represent the Great Leader? I mean he’s obviously so guilty or so much in so many states. The guy is like Kryptonite.