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Beautiful Disaster

(667 posts)
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 12:04 AM Jun 2023

The Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll poll is very fishy...

You know, the one that has Trump beating Biden by 6 points nationally.

It doesn't compute when logically breaking it down.

For starters, it's co-directed by Mark Penn. I'm sure you remember him. He worked on Clinton's campaign in 2008, but resigned and it later came out he was pushing for her to go after Obama's exotic and foreign background. Since leaving that campaign, he has consistently attacked Democrats from the perceived 'left' (I say left loosely, but he's often one to bring on FOX News as a 'Democratic strategist' to criticize Democrats. You know, the new Pat Caddell now that he's dead and the Dick Morriss now that he's been proven a fraud).

Mark Penn is also now tied to No Labels. I don't need to tell you about that group,

Dritan Nesho is also a co-director and he too has ties to No Labels.

But even if you look beyond that - the results seem to be a mix of push-polling and fantasy.

1. Their poll that has Trump beating Biden shows that 11% of Democrats would vote for Donald Trump. This doesn't make much sense considering the amount of Democrats who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 was 8% and 5% respectively. I'm to believe that Trump is going to more than double his support among Democrats in 2024?

They also show Biden receiving only 77% of the Democratic vote - where he received 94% in 2020.

But let's get into the push-polling.

Here's a question they ask about 'fair justice':

Do you think indicting a former president for taking classified documents after leaving office, something done by Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and other senior officials, is a fair application justice or selective prosecution?

Tell me how that question is not the definition of a push-poll? It's conflating what happened with Hillary and Biden to what is happening with Trump. They're basically asking if it's fair to treat Trump differently than Hillary and Biden, even though Hillary and Biden did the exact same thing. But that isn't the case. Hillary and Biden did not do the same thing.

That bolsters the narrative that a) Biden mishandled the documents and b) it's a political witch hunt.

Which explains why 65% of respondents said Biden mishandled classified information in this poll - more than those who said Trump did (and another number where Democrats supposedly think much worse of Biden than Republicans Trump - as 40% of Democrats say he mishandled the information).

And why their poll shows 55% of respondents say his indictment is politically motivated - gee, I wonder why? You just asked those polled if it was fair despite him doing exactly what Hillary and Biden did!

The poll also shows 30% of Democrats think Trump should be pardoned (53% total), which seems outright ridiculous.

Here's another push-poll question!

Do you think that the FBI report from an informant alleging that Joe Biden took a $5 million bribe while he was Vice President should be made public or kept secret by the FBI?

What kind of question is that?!?

Which, clearly, leads to the answer to this question:

Do you think Joe Biden took a $5 million bribe when he was Vice President, or is that a false charge?

57% of voters believe this - when I doubt even 50% of voters have even heard this charge. I am to believe 57% actually believe, with no evidence, that Biden took $5 million? That includes nearly 30% of Democrats.

Yeah fucking right.

In fact, more curious is the fact that 47% of people hadn't heard of the accusation and yet 57% believe he did it?

Sure.

This poll is a mess of contradictions.

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mahina

(17,828 posts)
1. Mark Penn's wife also has a key job at No Labels and its funded in part by Harlan Crowe.
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 12:10 AM
Jun 2023

Thank you for this post!

Celerity

(44,029 posts)
5. No Labels was founded in 2010 by current board president and CEO Nancy Jacobson as a 501(c)(4).
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 12:42 AM
Jun 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Labels

Nancy Jacobson has been the board president since the founding of the organization and currently serves as CEO as well. In December 2020, No Labels announced Maryland Governor Larry Hogan (R), as a national co-chair (prominent spokesperson) to serve alongside No Labels Founding co-chair Joe Lieberman. In January 2023, Benjamin Chavis joined Hogan as national co-chair.

Nancy Jacobson (Board President and CEO), Jerald S. Howe Jr. (Board Treasurer), and Margie Fox have been on the board since the group's founding in 2010. Andrew Tisch and Kenneth A. Gross joined in 2012. Andrew M. Bursky joined in 2015. Dennis C. Blair and Charles R. Black Jr. joined in 2019. Previous board members include: Ted Buerger (2010), Josh Bekenstein (2010), Mark Nunnelly (2010), Mark McKinnon (2010-2012), Nate Garvis (2010-2013), Holly Page (2010-2013), and Lisa Borders (2014-2017).

In 2017, the group helped to start the Problem Solvers Caucus in the House of Representatives, a bipartisan group of around 60 congresspeople.

mahina

(17,828 posts)
6. She is Mark Penn of the Harris poll's wife.
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 12:58 AM
Jun 2023
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Jacobson

Spouse: Mark Penn

Nancy Jacobson (born November 9, 1962[1]) is an American political activist. A former fundraiser for the Democratic Party, she later became co-founder, president, and CEO of the self-described centrist organization funded by Republican donors, No Labels.[2]

I had a professor once who used to edit Wikipedia to say he had the world record for runs batted in every Fall. Still.

Celerity

(44,029 posts)
7. Yes, I know, I have been vehemently anti No Labels and their Problems Solvers Caucus since before
Tue Jun 20, 2023, 01:22 AM
Jun 2023

I joined DU. I have posted extensively on them since I joined.

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