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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSubmarine ceo fired the safety guy for talking too much about safety
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12215003/OceanGate-REFUSED-independent-inspection-missing-sub-fired-worker-raised-safety-concerns.htmlDavid Lochridge was fired after he raised concerns about Titan's safety
OceanGate also refused to have the vessel 'classed' by an independent organization that would ensure it met accepted technical standards
ensure vessels like ships and submersibles meet industry-wide technical standards. It is a crucial way of ensuring a vessel is fit to operate.
In a blog post titled 'Why Isn't Titan Classed?', OceanGate suggested classification would take too long.
The post said: 'While classing agencies are willing to pursue the certification of new and innovative designs and ideas, they often have a multi-year approval cycle due to a lack of pre-existing standards
'Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.'
The company said its 'innovations' included a real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring system which is 'not currently covered by any classing agency'.
CaliforniaPeggy
(150,016 posts)Demovictory9
(32,545 posts)sarisataka
(19,118 posts)To his grave...
LetMyPeopleVote
(146,489 posts)Demovictory9
(32,545 posts)NoRethugFriends
(2,395 posts)malaise
(269,769 posts)They just want stuff to brag about that the rest of us will never experience.
leftieNanner
(15,223 posts)You can't sign away your rights if there is negligence.
Firing the safety guy sounds like just that.
edhopper
(33,786 posts)if their was gross negligence.
TheBlackAdder
(28,308 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(146,489 posts)One cannot release issues that are know to the company but not disclosed. I wonder if the company disclosed this
Link to tweet
maxrandb
(15,478 posts)Like we've given E-loon a shit ton of money to replace NASA.
Just another rich kid that people think is a fucking genius.
NutmegYankee
(16,216 posts)SYSTEM CERTIFICATION PROCEDURES AND CRITERIA MANUAL FOR DEEP SUBMERGENCE SYSTEMS, NAVSEA SS800-AG-MAN-010/P-9290
That piece of junk wouldn't even be considered.
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)dalton99a
(81,919 posts)They are immune
democratsruletheday
(526 posts)we'll have to see about that...not looking good
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)James48
(4,463 posts)The ones at the bottom of the sea.
They wont do that again, now will they?
3Hotdogs
(12,548 posts)they get the Darwin "Honorary Mention."
treestar
(82,383 posts)19 year old, but his offspring. That's how you prove Darwin right.
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)Of extending the family line. Sad.
3Hotdogs
(12,548 posts)Double D
obamanut2012
(26,257 posts)tanyev
(42,785 posts)Captain Zero
(6,923 posts)Because he thought his step-dad would want him to use them.
He was like 'trapped for hours in his mini sub'? uh, meh.
It was a funny thread.
I guess blink has a song titled 'Bottom of the Ocean'. or Something like that.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,867 posts)Is anathema to survival.
Fullduplexxx
(7,902 posts)ToxMarz
(2,172 posts)until you're at the bottom of the Ocean when it breaks and no one can help you because you side stepped everyone who might be able to in favor of expediency (which is a kind way of saying profits).
Speaking of which, where's Musk's rescue submarine now.
AverageOldGuy
(1,590 posts). . . and he said "After a certain point, safety is a waste."
https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6
He is one of the five on board.
Karma.
Warpy
(111,598 posts)so you can bet he's going to be sued into a cardboard box under an overpass somewhere.
Those waivers aren't going to be worth the paper they're on when this is considered by any court.
Kaleva
(36,489 posts)Captain Zero
(6,923 posts)'well,,he soon will be!',
I suppose. Officially anyway.
Warpy
(111,598 posts)I love it when these bastards face the consequences, personally.
It really does look like a rinky-dink operation, the kind of bells and whistles that impress rich guys covering up shit engineering.
I'm thinking the thing imploded since the distress beacon wasn't activated. That thing should have worked if the power failed. Then again, considering how this company was run, maybe not.
NH Ethylene
(30,832 posts)But if 5 people have to be dead, I'm glad it includes some who are responsible for the safety failures of the sub.
Warpy
(111,598 posts)I have a feeling Mr. CEO is going to try to get that safety expert back.
Or maybe he'll just decide the trip is too risky for himself.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,619 posts)Something I saw in a Mad Magazine decades ago.
markodochartaigh
(1,220 posts)hospital lobby. As we lowered the patient to the floor to begin coding him a lady ran up and reached around him with both arms. I thought she was his wife come to give him one last hug, so we held him there just a second. She pulled his wallet out of his back pocket and ran off while we coded him.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,619 posts)That had to be quite the experience, someone pickpocketing a coding patient.
markodochartaigh
(1,220 posts)was to tell security when they got there. The whole 30 years at the hospital was an experience.
MontanaMama
(23,381 posts)I did.
sarisataka
(19,118 posts)At the bottom of the Atlantic. He is on board the submersible.
AZ8theist
(5,579 posts)...will offer rides to go see the sub at the bottom of the Atlantic....
sarisataka
(19,118 posts)To picture that coming true
Dr. Strange
(25,934 posts)Botany
(70,752 posts)... tomorrow in the AM when the O2 runs out. Those poor rich bastards if they are still alive they would be in a very
dark and a very cold vessel 2.4 miles beneath the surface. I hope I'm wrong but even if one of our subs finds the
craft and just hooking it up to get it to the surface would be a very hard thing to do.
republianmushroom
(14,201 posts)yonder
(9,692 posts)Roc2020
(1,621 posts)a hard eternal lesson
IcyPeas
(21,994 posts)The moment they knew they were in trouble with no means of communication, no water, no food, no toilet, no nothing. Just each other. Losing hope every minute. It's like being buried alive which is one of my worst nightmares.
Sounds like a twilight zone scenario.
LisaL
(45,009 posts)NT
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,341 posts)ShazzieB
(16,799 posts)sky_masterson
(421 posts)Might make it up and down fifty times but like bending a spoon back and forth, eventually the spoon will snap.
Arrogance and negligence killed those people. (Disclaimer: Disregard if Aliens or Sea Monsters are involved)
Disaffected
(4,601 posts)after a large number of take-offs and landings. It's called flex fatigue, as you say, just like repeatedly bending a spoon.
Blue Streak Science
(32 posts)Kaleva
(36,489 posts)Raine
(30,565 posts)seems this kind of thing is the reason behind so many disasters.
Initech
(100,220 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,968 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,577 posts)rictofen
(236 posts)They're also lower than whale shit.
rictofen
(236 posts)The now-missing CEO of a company that takes passengers onboard a submersible to see the site of the Titanic wreckage once told how he refused to hire '50-year-old white guys' with military expertise because they are not 'inspirational.'
Stockton Rush added in that interview with Teledyne Marine that expertise is not necessary because 'anybody can drive the sub' with just a $30 video game controller.
In another interview, Rush insisted the Cyclops vessel he designed before the doomed Titan was 'invulnerable,' saying he was willing to 'put my money where my mouth is.'
Rush, the 61-year-old CEO of OceanGate Expeditions, is now missing onboard his Titan ship along with four other passengers, including British billionaire Hamish Harding, French Titanic expert Paul-Henry Nargeolet and Shahzada Dawood, a UK-based board member of the Prince's Trust charity, along with his son Sulaiman Dawood.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12219265/Stockton-Rush-said-didnt-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-NOT-inspirational.html