Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file witness list under seal

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JUST IN: US judge Aileen Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file 84 potential witnesses in the Trump classified docs case under seal -- says the government does not explain why it is necessary and notes media coalition has moved to have it public.
12:47 PM · Jun 26, 2023

[Aviation Pro]

1. First appeal to the 11th

And first slam dunk on C'mon Aileen's stupid, fucking head.

[FBaggins]

6. Not a chance

Unless and until the government claims that something on the list must be/remain classified… there’s nothing to appeal.

[agingdem]

22. I'm wondering if this was Jack Smith's first test run

at Cannon.,..Jack Smith doesn't seem like a guy that takes no for an answer...I suspect Smith and his team of prosecutors anticipated this because the order is "without prejudice" the prosecutors will refile a more specific motion..

if Cannon denies that second motion then can they appeal to the 11th circuit?

[FBaggins]

48. That depends on how they justify the request and what reason she gives for rejecting it

In general - it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that appellate courts normally want to get involved in.

Additionally - it may not be something the prosecution wants to press. The trial isn't going to move forward without a list of witnesses that the prosecution intends to call... and I'm sure that Trump would love to add a few months of delay at this early stage while they wait on the circuit court to weigh in.

And the 11th leans pretty far to the right. We could go through all of this just to lose in the end.

[dlk]

2. Here she goes...

If something were to happen to any of those witnesses, would she even bat an eye?

[Irish_Dem]

12. The goal is for something to happen to a witness, to send a message to the others.

[dlk]

27. Just like a crime boss...

[bronxiteforever]

40. +1

[Irish_Dem]

41. Exactly like a crime boss.

The GOP is not a political party, it is a crime syndicate.

[jls4561]

3. Jack Smith should ask Ruby Freeman and Shea Moss for an amicus brief.

[JohnSJ]

4. Put witnesses lives in danger. A despicable decision from a despicable person

[TheBlackAdder]

16. If this is public perhaps the trial should be televised.

[dlk]

28. I hope the broadcast outlets are filing suit for televised coverage

As they say, Democracy dies in darkness.”

[wnylib]

34. Federal rules. Federal cases cannot be televised.

[Attilatheblond]

5. Welp, reckon that answers any questions about her judgement and willingness to let Trump do Trump

If anybody gets hurt or suddenly mum, I hope Jack takes her to the cleaners.

[elleng]

7. 'says the government does not explain why it is necessary'

[wnylib]

36. I'm hoping for a response from Jack Smith that shows

in blunt, scathing terms why sealing the list is necessary.

Something along these lines: Due to the polarized political climate in the country and the high profile of the case, as well as previous intimidation of witnesses during the J6 investigations, it is necessary to protect the safety of the 84 witnesses.

[dalton99a]

8. Sure enough

[walkingman]

9. The GOP virus has destroyed our justice system. I'll be glad when we get a vaccine.

[Delphinus]

17. What is

the treatment?

[walkingman]

19. I'm not sure there is one? It appears to be chronic. The best we can do is just fight it

and realize that if we let our guard down it can get worse over time.

[Cha]

10. Has Cannon been hiding under

a rock?

Has she met the Domestic Terrorist.. That WHY!

[Ohioboy]

11. How's Trump supposed to intimidate if it's under seal?

WTF!
I swear these Trump Humpers can't wait to destroy this country with their fascism.

[The Magistrate]

13. It May Work As A Honey-Pot, Ma'am, Threats To Witnesses Are Crimes

Perhaps a few examples can be made....



"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[yardwork]

15. I like the way you think, Sir.

[Nevilledog]

18. But it's his demented cult members who'll get arrested.

He doesn't give a shit about them. Just like January 6th.

The effect will be to intimidate thru violence & doxxing and it will end up compromising some witnesses who'll want the threats and harassment to stop.

[The Magistrate]

31. As Many Cult Members Who Present Themselves For Arrest Ought To Be

Nothing electronic cannot be traced. People can whimper it wasn't a real threat after their arrest....

The prosecutions of traitors caught for the Sixth has greatly diminished the number ready to turn out in the streets at their demon's biding. Some salutory followings up on threats to witnesses by electronic means should catch a good many more up short.

[Nevilledog]

35. I guess my point was that it wouldn't temper Trump's insanity.

It's perfect for him..... Have the great unwashed do his dirty deeds while he suffers no consequences. End is still witness intimidation.

I'm fine with all the cult members being arrested, but I'm not a witness. I'd venture their reaction would be very different.

[The Magistrate]

39. I Agree

It will not alter his behavior in the slightest, but whatever reduces the willingness of people to wreak and threaten violence on his behalf crimps his power.

Rough on the witnesses, certainly.

[2naSalit]

32. Indeed, Sir...

I was heading down that path myself. She's not savvy enough to play chess with Mr. Smith. I suspect she will soon find out the hard way. It's not just that this novice is the judge here, I also suspect that she is receiving coaching from the F Society through this. Their aim is to destroy the institution so I think that is what is going on along with trying to put the criminal back in the Oval Office. Mr. Smith is probably hip to the stink on that pile of fecal matter.

[Silent Type]

14. My guess is that if she ruled the names could be sealed, people would still see it as a conspiracy.

Smith will just go at it another way, and it's not even a final ruling.

[Johonny]

20. Trump to add witness tampering to long list

On indictments. He won't be able to stop himself.

[2naSalit]

33. +1

[wnylib]

37. Trump and his attorneys already have the list. That's because

it's a list of people that Trump is not allowed to talk to about the case.

So, preventing the list from being sealed is an end run for Trump around the order to not speak to those witnesses about the case. He and his attorneys no doubt spoke to their media contacts to file against sealing the list. Let the media do the intimidation that Trump is forbidden to do.

[republianmushroom]

21. Going to be a long and interesting 6 months.

[euphorb]

23. Read the order more carefully.

She says the government hasn't explained why the list needs to be filed with the court at all. The list has already been provided to Trump and Nauta and their lawyers. If it's not filed with the court, sealing isn't an issue. Furthermore, the order is "without prejudice," which means that the government can respond with an explanation of why it needs to filed with the court and why, in that case, it needs to be under seal. Stay tuned.

[Disaffected]

30. If Trump and his lawyers

already have the witness list, the hyperventilating about witness intimidation does seem rather pointless alright.

[wnylib]

38. Not really. Trump and his lawyers have to have the list

because it tells whom he cannot discuss the case with. The purpose of forbidding him to discuss it with them is to prevent witness tampering.

But if the list is made available to media, then the names become public knowledge for media to hash over on the air. Imagine what Fox would do with those names. The media could accomplish the intimidation that Trump is forbidden to do. Revealing names on air, with background info on them, allows Fox and the rest to rile up MAGAs against the witnesses.

[Disaffected]

47. OK, that is reasonable.

Thanks.

[tavernier]

24. Is it fairly common to have witnesses under seal?

I know nothing about these things.

[Arazi]

25. Theoretically it's because DOJ didn't explain why it's necessary

So if they explain and she still orders the list to be public, then a freak out is warranted

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[agingdem]

26. I'm thinking Jack Smith set a trap..

Cannon denies the motion but "without prejudice"...the prosecution then refiles giving a more specific reason justifying their request to keep the list under seal and if Cannon again denies the prosecution's request then they can go to the 11th circuit...just a guess...

[housecat]

44. Good guess. I'm trusting Jack Smith's judgment

[housecat]

42. Sure give the media ratings at any cost. Just have the prosecution explain why

the witnesses must be alive at trial, and the media can munch on that..

[Purrfessor]

43. A good explanation here why at this stage this is nothing to be concerned about...

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[Mr.Bill]

45. Pure speculation here, but

what if there are some witnesses that Smith wants to put in the witness protection program but they are resisting it. Knowing that the whole world would know their names and all their information might make them more willing to go into the program.

[kentuck]

46. Does this transparency include a public trial?

The public will get to see all the evidence presented?