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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAffirmative action for white college applicants is still here
VoxFor decades, the Court held that schools could consider race as one of many factors in the holistic review of an applicant, a consideration that could help foster diversity on campus.
The majority opinion laid out how it worked. Harvards final stage of deciding to admit or reject students is a step called the lop, in which four factors are evaluated: whether an applicant is a legacy, meaning an immediate family member went to Harvard; whether they were recruited as an athlete; whether they are eligible for financial aid; and their race.
Race is now unconstitutional to consider, but other preferences remain.
One study found that these preferences give an edge to white applicants. Among white students admitted to Harvard, 43 percent received a preference for athletics, legacy status, being on the deans interest list, or for being the child of a faculty or staff member, and without those advantages, three-quarters would have been rejected.
Many colleges dont have selective admissions at all. But at those that do, the Supreme Court, in other words, left plenty of discretion for college officials to fill their student bodies with the children of donors or employees, or with lacrosse, tennis, or football players, or with the children of alumni. Only the effort to create a racially diverse student body is now all but banned.
While the Supreme Court left these preferences untouched, the Courts decision is already renewing the debate over them. Well before the decision came down there have been conversations about what to do about the legacy boost, for example, said Adam Nguyen, the founder of Ivy Link, an organization that advises families, who pay at least $150,000 beginning when their child is in middle school, on college admissions. People have long questioned why legacy even exists. In a democratic society, it seems intrinsically unfair that the children of alumni, generation after generation and by virtue of birth, get that privilege. These conversations are still sensitive but they shouldnt be happening behind closed doors anymore.
underpants
(195,096 posts)1 in 7 are legacies. Thats 14%+
6.6% are minorities
Legacies are more than double their diversity program. Yes, I understand many are both but wonder how that came about.
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)That's why I don't believe for a second that diversity is really the top priority. If it was, all of these programs would be eliminated.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)But the Harvard student body is not 6.6% minority. It's much closer to 60%.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(13,002 posts)so so so many
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)Because they weren't part of the lawsuit and because they aren't, on their face, racially focused.
What needs to happen is for a black or Latino student who has high scores and is rejected to file a suit based on the origins of the legacy program and perhaps to the faculty/staff program.
There is really no question that the legacy program was put in place to keep Jews & blacks out of Harvard; it was created as an overtly racist program. As such, as legacies, mostly white, have continued across the decades, the program is effectively race-based.
Get a case like that to SCOTUS and see what happens.
regnaD kciN
(27,484 posts)
because capitalism and freedom for private businesses.
no_hypocrisy
(54,361 posts)I got in with a solid B+ average.
She was lazy and decided to apply to my college. Average academic record.
She got it because I got in.
Granted, she had a decent GPA to graduate, but there had to be so many more qualified applicants compared to her.
Want evidence? SHE FAILED LOGIC! Failed!! Because she couldn't think critically.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Or later?
no_hypocrisy
(54,361 posts)Her purpose was do something until she got married.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)MichMan
(16,690 posts)Looking at the rosters in major college sports I'm not thinking that they favor white students, but could be wrong.
regnaD kciN
(27,484 posts)
of Harvard announcing next April that they have complied with SCOTUS and removed all affirmative action procedures and have retooled their admissions process to be 100% merit based
and that the entering class of fall 2024 will consist entirely of students of Asian ancestry.
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,358 posts)If the goal is solely to have merit based admissions, thne it is only fair to get rid of legacy admissions
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/high-court-ruling-dems-take-aim-legacy-admissions-rcna91983
The children of alumni who are overwhelmingly white enjoy a far better chance than other applicants of getting accepted to the nations top colleges and universities, which, as this board has argued, constitutes a form of property transfer from one generation to another. It has a far larger impact on the racial and socioeconomic makeup of student bodies than race-based affirmative action ever has.
The editorial went on to note that roughly one-in-seven students at Harvard are there at least in part because of a legacy, adding, Reducing or eliminating this practice could create new opportunities for all kinds of students who normally dont have a chance of getting into a top school.
Or put another way, if the country is going to have a conversation about creating an all merit-based system, then that conversation should be honest and comprehensive.
It was against this backdrop that Punchbowl News reported last night that several congressional Democrats called on the Justice Department to respond to yesterdays ruling by filing legal challenges against any college or university that engages in discriminatory practices including legacy admissions.....
I dont seriously expect a groundswell of GOP support for the idea, but if some prominent voices on the right are sincere about an all merit-based system, perhaps this could be an area for bipartisan cooperation?
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)Enough said.