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In It to Win It

(12,380 posts)
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:37 PM Jun 2023

Affirmative action for white college applicants is still here

Vox


The Supreme Court’s decision to effectively ban the consideration of race in college admissions reversed more than 40 years of precedent. It also left other kinds of admission preferences in place — ones that often benefit white students.

For decades, the Court held that schools could consider race as one of many factors in the holistic review of an applicant, a consideration that could help foster diversity on campus.

The majority opinion laid out how it worked. Harvard’s final stage of deciding to admit or reject students is a step called the “lop,” in which four factors are evaluated: whether an applicant is a legacy, meaning an immediate family member went to Harvard; whether they were recruited as an athlete; whether they are eligible for financial aid; and their race.

Race is now unconstitutional to consider, but other preferences remain.

One study found that these preferences give an edge to white applicants. Among white students admitted to Harvard, 43 percent received a preference for athletics, legacy status, being on the dean’s interest list, or for being the child of a faculty or staff member, and without those advantages, three-quarters would have been rejected.

Many colleges don’t have selective admissions at all. But at those that do, the Supreme Court, in other words, left plenty of discretion for college officials to fill their student bodies with the children of donors or employees, or with lacrosse, tennis, or football players, or with the children of alumni. Only the effort to create a racially diverse student body is now all but banned.

While the Supreme Court left these preferences untouched, the Court’s decision is already renewing the debate over them. “Well before the decision came down there have been conversations about what to do about the legacy boost, for example,” said Adam Nguyen, the founder of Ivy Link, an organization that advises families, who pay at least $150,000 beginning when their child is in middle school, on college admissions. “People have long questioned why legacy even exists. In a democratic society, it seems intrinsically unfair that the children of alumni, generation after generation and by virtue of birth, get that privilege. These conversations are still sensitive but they shouldn’t be happening behind closed doors anymore.”
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Affirmative action for white college applicants is still here (Original Post) In It to Win It Jun 2023 OP
Some numbers I've read today about Harvard underpants Jun 2023 #1
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2023 #4
i may be misreading your post Zeitghost Jun 2023 #11
I attended an "elite" university. lots of my class were children, grand children, siblings of alumni BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #14
I understand why SCOTUS left the other preferences in place SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2023 #2
What happens, obviously, is that they throw it out... regnaD kciN Jun 2023 #7
My sister was a legacy in my college. no_hypocrisy Jun 2023 #3
Are you saying your sister was admitted at the same time you were? TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #6
Two years later. no_hypocrisy Jun 2023 #9
Thanks, best TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #10
Aren't Black students over represented in college athletics? MichMan Jun 2023 #5
I must admit I have this (un-PC) fantasy... regnaD kciN Jun 2023 #8
Following high court ruling, Dems take aim at 'legacy admissions' LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #12
Jared Kushner got into Harvard Yavin4 Jun 2023 #13

underpants

(195,096 posts)
1. Some numbers I've read today about Harvard
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:41 PM
Jun 2023

1 in 7 are legacies. That’s 14%+
6.6% are minorities

Legacies are more than double their diversity program. Yes, I understand many are both but wonder how that came about.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
4. Yep
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:47 PM
Jun 2023

That's why I don't believe for a second that diversity is really the top priority. If it was, all of these programs would be eliminated.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
11. i may be misreading your post
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 06:02 PM
Jun 2023

But the Harvard student body is not 6.6% minority. It's much closer to 60%.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(13,002 posts)
14. I attended an "elite" university. lots of my class were children, grand children, siblings of alumni
Sat Jul 1, 2023, 12:48 AM
Jul 2023

so so so many

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
2. I understand why SCOTUS left the other preferences in place
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:45 PM
Jun 2023

Because they weren't part of the lawsuit and because they aren't, on their face, racially focused.

What needs to happen is for a black or Latino student who has high scores and is rejected to file a suit based on the origins of the legacy program and perhaps to the faculty/staff program.

There is really no question that the legacy program was put in place to keep Jews & blacks out of Harvard; it was created as an overtly racist program. As such, as legacies, mostly white, have continued across the decades, the program is effectively race-based.

Get a case like that to SCOTUS and see what happens.

regnaD kciN

(27,484 posts)
7. What happens, obviously, is that they throw it out...
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 04:29 PM
Jun 2023

…because capitalism and freedom for private businesses.


no_hypocrisy

(54,361 posts)
3. My sister was a legacy in my college.
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:47 PM
Jun 2023

I got in with a solid B+ average.

She was lazy and decided to apply to my college. Average academic record.

She got it because I got in.

Granted, she had a decent GPA to graduate, but there had to be so many more qualified applicants compared to her.

Want evidence? SHE FAILED LOGIC! Failed!! Because she couldn't think critically.

MichMan

(16,690 posts)
5. Aren't Black students over represented in college athletics?
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 03:49 PM
Jun 2023

Looking at the rosters in major college sports I'm not thinking that they favor white students, but could be wrong.

regnaD kciN

(27,484 posts)
8. I must admit I have this (un-PC) fantasy...
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 04:35 PM
Jun 2023

…of Harvard announcing next April that they have complied with SCOTUS and removed all affirmative action procedures and have retooled their admissions process to be 100% merit based…and that the entering class of fall 2024 will consist entirely of students of Asian ancestry.


LetMyPeopleVote

(175,358 posts)
12. Following high court ruling, Dems take aim at 'legacy admissions'
Fri Jun 30, 2023, 11:36 PM
Jun 2023

If the goal is solely to have merit based admissions, thne it is only fair to get rid of legacy admissions



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/high-court-ruling-dems-take-aim-legacy-admissions-rcna91983

As the editorial board of The New York Times explained today, many schools continue to engage in a “particularly insidious form of wealth-based affirmative action: legacy admissions.”

The children of alumni — who are overwhelmingly white — enjoy a far better chance than other applicants of getting accepted to the nation’s top colleges and universities, which, as this board has argued, constitutes “a form of property transfer from one generation to another.” It has a far larger impact on the racial and socioeconomic makeup of student bodies than race-based affirmative action ever has.


The editorial went on to note that roughly one-in-seven students at Harvard are there at least in part because of a legacy, adding, “Reducing or eliminating this practice could create new opportunities for all kinds of students who normally don’t have a chance of getting into a top school.”

Or put another way, if the country is going to have a conversation about creating an “all merit-based” system, then that conversation should be honest and comprehensive.

It was against this backdrop that Punchbowl News reported last night that several congressional Democrats called on the Justice Department to respond to yesterday’s ruling by filing “legal challenges against any college or university that engages in discriminatory practices — including legacy admissions.”....

I don’t seriously expect a groundswell of GOP support for the idea, but if some prominent voices on the right are sincere about an “all merit-based” system, perhaps this could be an area for bipartisan cooperation?

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