I'm sorry...but Nancy Pelosi should go.

[Atman]

Part of The Cleansing. She's old school, and Republicans hate her as much as Satan himself. It would help move things forward if we had some new blood.



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[NNN0LHI]

1. If the Republicans hate her I love her

[Atman]

8. There has to be more to it than that.

She's a dinosaur. I just don't think she's and effective leader. I don't want someone who will just go along with the GOP. I certainly want someone with more spine than Harry Reid over in the Senate. I just think if we're going to promote hope and change, maybe a little actual change is finally in order.

[yardwork]

19. In what ways has Nancy Pelosi "just gone along with the GOP?"

[lastlib]

43. Taking impeachment (GWB) "off the table" is the one that comes to mind....

other than that, she hasn't been so bad. But I'd still like for her to take some hurt for that. I'm not saying she should've gone thru w/ impeachment, but at least keep it open as an option, for leverage on the B*shitter.

[yardwork]

45. She was following Obama's advice on that.

[lastlib]

79. in 2006???

Even so, bad advice. Bad move to admit it publicly. IMHO.

[NNN0LHI]

25. There is more to it than that

But I am not going to sit here and explain it to you like I was talking to a little kid.

I got better things to do.

Carry on.

Don

[SharonAnn]

31. She is a great leader and has been able to deliver votes for important legislation.

She's really an incredibly effect leader. I'm looking forward to a good biography about her, probably after she leaves office.

Do not get rid of her! The reason Republicans hate her is that she's very effective!

[billh58]

35. And so it begins...

Must be time to get back to the PUMA principle.

[adekoye]

37. The Republicans .....

also hate the President. They say he's a socialist, a communist and that he hates America. Shall we get rid of him too just because the other side does not want to work with him?

[Purveyor]

2. OH you've done it now but I wholeheartedly agree with you. ;) eom

[TwilightGardener]

3. If they hate her, she must be doing something right.

[BlueCaliDem]

4. Democrats hate Mitch McConnell, but you don't see any Republican saying HE

should go, do you?

Stop being a defeatist.

[LaydeeBug]

6. ^^^ this ^^^ nt

[Atman]

16. I am ANYTHING but a defeatist!

LOL! I get accused of being too optimistic. I just think Nancy has run her course.

[hughee99]

73. Actually, I heard this just the other day.

I stopped on one of the conservative radio stations to listed to their heads explode and they were talking about how McConnell has done an awful job pushing the "conservative agenda" in the senate and has been (believe it or not) "too willing to compromise". As they see it, McConnell isn't the hardcore conservative we portray him as, other senators and interest groups have to hold his feet to the fire to do the things he ends up doing.

[berni_mccoy]

5. No way. Should we drop Obamacare because, hey, "Republicans hate it as much as Satan himself...

and it would help move things forward"??

Seriously, wtf?

[Purveyor]

7. Here is a poll I put up last night concerning a change in our Congressional Leadership.

Is it time for new Congressional leadership within the Democratic Party 2012?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251245154

[Anthony McCarthy]

9. She was a very effective Speaker

if she hadn't been there, Reid and Obama would have abandoned healthcare. And she led the Democrats back into control in 2006.

Who do you imagine they'd replace her with?

I hope to see her as Speaker again.

[lalalu]

21. If she hadn't been there we may have had a public option.

The same with some other democrats in congress who have been bending over for republicans for decades. Some of these longtime democrats in congress need to go.

[Atman]

42. +100

[yardwork]

50. If not for Pelosi we would not have had the Affordable Care Act at all.

She was credited at the time for pushing it through the House. Obama himself took the public option off the table early in negotiations with Republicans at the White House.

[lalalu]

55. He took it off the table

because the democrats in congress were not fighting for it.

They have been the sorriest democratic members of congress I have ever seen and republicans know it. If not for Howard Dean and President Obama the truth is the democratic party would still be lost in the wilderness and racking up losses. Even that loser Terry McCauliffe is rearing his head again.

The only thing that changed and got us the Affordable Care Act was a new president with a new strategy. Just about every member of congress, including democrats, had sat on this issue for decades. I am glad there are some new faces and I hope we get more.

Here is the chance for Pelosi and Reid to really prove themselves. They have just as much at stake as the president. Congress is the branch that actually passes laws and voters have sent a message. I may be wrong and I hope I am because it will mean democrats in congress will start really taking progressive action.

[silvershadow]

56. ^This.nt

[Laurian]

10. I hope she'll stay! Who do you think would be better?

[yardwork]

11. What Cleansing?

Democrats don't need to do any cleansing. Have you got the parties mixed up?

[lalalu]

12. I almost passed out.

I have been saying this also. I would stand behind you but those are some big stones about to be thrown your way

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

13. Who cares what the Replublicans think--Nancy does a great job.

Nancy did a phenomenal job as leader--over 200 bills passed under her leadership went on to die in the Senate, and that was ONLY because of unprecedented obstruction.

[ananda]

14. Helll no!

Minority Leader Pelosi has spine!

[Poll_Blind]

15. Why be sorry about it? She's FAIL. She was FAIL back in 2010, too. nt

PB

[lalalu]

23. Thank you

[Enrique]

17. i'm trying to think of someone the GOP wouldn't hate

some Blue Dog none of us ever heard of?

[Anthony McCarthy]

29. Lieberman, Ben Nelson,

[DonViejo]

39. Lieberman and Nelson are U.S. Senators...

how do you propose they become/run to become Speaker of the House of Representatives?

[spanone]

74. they are senators and lieberman is NOT a democrat

[MineralMan]

58. How silly that sounds.

How does a senator replace Pelosi? Please read something about our government, and then come back when you've done that. Thanks.

[yardwork]

59. It's silly for two reasons. One, senators can't become Speaker of the House. More importantly,

it's extremely silly for Democrats to be looking for somebody that Republicans "won't hate." We won the election.

[KamaAina]

61. Third reason: Both will soon be ex-Senators.

[yardwork]

64. Well, then I guess it's theoretically possible that they could become Speaker of the House.

If they got elected as Representatives (a natural career step for a retired senator, natch) then they have a clear path to becoming Speaker of the House. Someday.

[MineralMan]

63. Exactly.

It demonstrates some faulty logic, to be sure.

[yardwork]

65. I knew that you knew that. Others in this thread seem unsure, however.

I thought it might be a good idea to put it out there in very clear terms.

[MineralMan]

67. It seems odd that would be necessary on a political forum,

don't you think? It's always puzzling to me how so many people know so little about our actual system of government. Just puzzling.

[yardwork]

69. Not puzzling at all when one reflects on how much money is sloshing around.

What percent of Karl Rove's standard package includes astroturfing?

[MineralMan]

76. I have no idea. That's rather a different matter, though.

Not understanding our system of government is different from acting deliberately to deceive, I think. I'd think it wouldn't be easy to survive long while astroturfing a place like DU. There are a lot of very clever people here who would manage to suss that out. Playing dumb isn't much of a strategy, so someone who doesn't know the difference between the Senate and the House wouldn't seem to be likely to be astroturfing. They're just being ignorant. Lots of that going around.

[txdemsftw]

18. I disagree..

Nancy has done great things...I don't give a shit who the Repukes hate..I hate most of them, but don't expect them to care what WE think...so yeah.

[Starry Messenger]

20. Too bad.

She regularly gets 80% of the vote in her district. I'm glad the Republicans hate her. Now look at CA, we've practically run the GOP off like wild mice. Why would anyone mess with that at this point in time?

[LancetChick]

22. Nancy Pelosi is one of our best Democratic politicians.

She's been one of the best Speakers of the House, she's pushed forward good legislation and kept true to Democratic principles, and has been one of the few Democrats whose spine has not dissolved in the face of intense pressure.

The Republicans don't like her, though, so let's replace her with someone meeker and more acceptable to them. Great idea. She will retire soon, though, so that's good news for you.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. No, she should remain the Minority leader in the House.

[MoonRiver]

26. She will be replaced by Steny Hoyer, who Rethugs hate, or will immediately learn to hate,

just as much. Why do we care what those losers think anyway?

[yardwork]

60. I've been asking myself the same question.

Since this is the internet, the most obvious answer is that people promoting this approach are working for Republicans.

[MoonRiver]

72. Timidity among Dems is a huge problem which Rethugs exploit.

They are working with Rethugs, indirectly. But like you say, since there is no real filter on the internet, they could be trolls.

Anyway, I so hope that Obama STANDS UP TO THE BASTARDS!

[Graybeard]

27. You are so wrong about this.

Nancy Pelosi is one of the greatest Speakers Of The House in the history of that body. And a wonderful role model for our daughters to look up to.

Of course the Repukes hate her. She is the champion of everything that they are against. And incredibly effective
at it.

[Chorophyll]

28. How is she "old school?" Why should we start throwing people under the bus?

When the Republicans win, they dig in their heels. Why do WE have to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory all the time?

Seriously, give me three good reasons why she needs to go.

[DURHAM D]

30. drivel

[Flashmann]

32. Republicans hate her as much as Satan himself

Huh.......Seems like a HUGE plus to me.........Fuck the rethugs!!.....

[quinnox]

33. yea, why not a conserva-dem

Who will be much more willing to work with the repubs in the interest of "moving the country forward".
Um, No thanks!

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. I disagree ...

Despite her being "old school" and the second most inflamatory target of gop hatred, she still is a VERY effective player.

There is no way Democrats should lead Pelosi out to pature BECAUSE the gop hates her ... that just gives us MORE negotiating room; she can go all Progressive Left, setting up "negotiated" Left-Center policies.

[Atman]

41. Not BECAUSE the GOP hates her...

But they DO hate her. That's a fact. That isn't reason for her to go in and of itself, I just think she is tired and not a good representation of the Democratic Party anymore. We need to expand our base. Do you honestly think young people and new voters view her as an agent of change? I don't, and I'm 53. I just see her as another one of those entrenched old pols who has stayed too long at the fair.

But clearly, many DUers disagree with me. That's cool. I can accept that. That's what discussion is for.

[Sivart]

36. No way

Pelosi is freakin awesome.

[myrna minx]

38. Silly. Suggesting the Repubs, based upon who they hate more or less , should select and

choose our leadership is outright bizarre. Pelosi is a fantastic leader and under her Majority leadership passed some of the best legislation I've ever seen.

[Oilwellian]

40. I agree

She lost me after this:

The major elements of a bargain seemed to be falling into place: $1.2 trillion in agency cuts, smaller cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients, nearly $250 billion in Medicare savings achieved in part by raising the eligibility age. And $800 billion in new taxes.


Secrecy would be essential as the details came together, the president told everyone. He spoke openly with Boehner about how the two sides might sell the emerging plan to their respective parties, an imposing task from either end.


A senior administration official said the White House team recognized that the two offers were coalescing and that the time for a decision was at hand. People asked themselves, the official said: Is this something we can sell? Is this a deal we can live with?


That night, Obama prepared his party’s congressional leaders. He warned Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that he might return to the position under discussion the previous Sunday — that is, cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in exchange for just $800 billion in tax increases.

Would they support him?

The Democratic leaders “kind of gulped” when they heard the details, Daley recalled.


By this time, Obama had become the face of the bitter debt-ceiling talks and his poll numbers were dropping. His allies on Capitol Hill cringed at his predicament but also at what he was asking them to do.


Reluctantly, Reid and Pelosi agreed to do their best to support the plan.

Memory Lane

[coalition_unwilling]

44. Do you want to bring back Richard Gebhardt? Speaking of 'old school' - Ugh! - n/t

[Bake]

46. For some contrast, consider John Boehner ... the LEAST effective Speaker in decades.

Boehner has been totally impotent in terms of managing his majority caucus. The teabaggers have told him where and when to jump, and he obeyed.

Pelosi was rather effective when she was Speaker, by contrast.

Should she go or stay? Let the House decide. But I'd say stay.

Bake

[Shankapotomus]

47. Nuts nt

[lunatica]

48. She passed a phenomenal number of Obama's legislation when she was Speaker

And there's a very good reason Republicans hate her. She stands up to them in word and deed.

[Johonny]

51. between the president, the senate leader and the house

she was clearly the most effective and pushing the most aggressive liberal agenda. It was usually the White House looking for stray conservative senate votes that pushed her house to the right in compromise bills. Her time as speaker was simply light years beyond the leadership before and after her. Since being minority leader is generally a thankless job who's main objective is to keep her caucus in line... I see no reason not to keep her. The time for "new" blood is when if the Democrats take the house again. But I find it silly to suggest she was either not effective, or not in tune with the modern democratic party. Look at her support and she is probably MORE in tune than much of the senate and white house.

[s-cubed]

49. She was a highly effective leader. I say she should stay. nt

[bowens43]

52. Ahh no

What the cons think is irrelevant.

[Jackpine Radical]

53. Pardon the caps but WHAT PART OF SARCASM IS IT THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET???

There oughtta be sufficient cues in the OP to short-circuit this nonsense.

The OP was mocking the 3rd Way & the Appeaser faction who are ready to pitch SS & MC under the bus to accommodate the Republican obstructionists.

[AnnaLee]

54. You know how to make a Republican hate you?

You stand up to him and don't follow orders or demands. You laugh in his face when he attacks and belittles you. But most of all, you just be yourself - a strong woman.

[BlueMTexpat]

57. Nancy is great!

She's a savvy gal, has learned plenty from her mistakes over the past few years and will not go along to get along ever again.

She has seen The Beast close-up and knows her enemy.

The fact that the Republicans hate her is all to the good so far as I am concerned. So long as they are planning to obstruct anything that the Administration proposes - which they are and they will - even Christ himself would not satisfy them. Nothing will help move things forward except a complete change in mentality on their side.

Let Nancy be!

[Cleita]

62. The only person I would want to replace her is

Alan Grayson. If you think the Republicans hate Nancy, you've seen nothing yet.

[Jackpine Radical]

66. Yeah, but you know what name is being bruited about as her replacement?

Steny Hoyer.


Aaaaaack!

If that happened, it would probably be the first time in history that the Majority and Minority leaders are both Republicans.

[Cleita]

68. The caucus has to approve that suggestion.

With the new and true progressives coming into Congress, I hope they can block anyone like that. However, I'm hoping Nancy stays on for at least another session.

[backscatter712]

70. Pelosi was one of the most effective Speakers of the House. Why would we want to get rid of her? n/t

[Jennicut]

71. All Repubs hate Dems. There will be no one they will hate less.

And who got the votes on health care for Obama? She did in the House. I think she is pretty loyal to President Obama. And sometimes old school is better then the crap the new tea party Repubs brought in with them in 2010.

[Hutzpa]

75. This is not coming from democrats

if anything this rumor got started by the media and outside enablers.

Nancy is doing a swell job and has done so since, she has more brass balls than some men will give her credit.

If she decides she has taken us as far s she can, then fine.

[dawg]

77. I like Nancy.

[Stellar]

78. She's old school, and Republicans hate her ???

WTF!

She got the votes that the President needed to help pass thing along when all of GOPER's didn't give a damn.

PLEASE!