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Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 04:52 PM Jul 2023

I'm enjoying using ChatGPT to create short stories for my grandsons.

I'll get their input by asking for character names (usually their own), a place (hometown, a zoo, a circus, the mall), a time of year (winter, summer, birthday, Christmas, etc.) an animal (usually a cat or dog, but sometimes and elephant or monkey) and a problem that needs to be solved (lost money, late for school, car broke down, etc.)

I plug-in those variable and ask ChatGPT to write a short story based on that info, and away it goes! Sometimes the stories are much longer than I anticipated they would be, so I've started adding "2000 words or less" in my request.

My grandkids love it! I read the stories to them, and I'll print them out and put them in a 3-ring notebook so that we can look at them later.

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I'm enjoying using ChatGPT to create short stories for my grandsons. (Original Post) Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 OP
Yes, I have done the same for my 5 year old boy. honest.abe Jul 2023 #1
Get them a library card and take them to the local library to get books. FSogol Jul 2023 #2
Good idea. Or I can promote their creativity this way. We have fun together. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #4
Its often hard to find just the right book for my kid in the library or bookstore. honest.abe Jul 2023 #6
As a kid, I was allowed to take as many books as I could carry. FSogol Jul 2023 #7
You are probably right but ChatGPT is so much easier. honest.abe Jul 2023 #8
You're right. Very easy... and fun! The kids like it. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #11
Yep. It's fun and easy for everyone. honest.abe Jul 2023 #12
Because one poster has led a bizarre anti AI campaign here BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #37
Thanks for the information and the back-story. That puts things into perspective. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #39
I so agree. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #44
I like to enter weird scenarios Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #3
LOL! I might mention that to the grandkids to see what they can come up with Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #5
Bad idea. You'll get replies like this. TrotskyistTidings Jul 2023 #9
Interesting. Maybe I'll plug in "Halloween" & "Candy Corn" & "Witches" and "talking jack-o-lanterns" Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #10
Anyone using ChatGPT to "write stories"'- so it will mindlessly churn out patchwork highplainsdem Jul 2023 #13
Good grief. This is just simple fun stories for kids. honest.abe Jul 2023 #14
LOL! The hostile and aggressive responses here... too funny! Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #15
People have been making up their own simple fun stories for kids for at least highplainsdem Jul 2023 #17
Well I can tell you it's very difficult to find the book I am interested in. honest.abe Jul 2023 #19
It's good for kids to be a bit challenged by what they're reading. And highplainsdem Jul 2023 #21
It's not about being challenged. honest.abe Jul 2023 #24
I've read a lot of stories to my siblings' and friends' kids, bought a lot of highplainsdem Jul 2023 #28
That's your experience and that's fine. honest.abe Jul 2023 #30
My grandkids like to finger-paint too. I can only imagine that some here will scold me because we ar Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #34
LOL! honest.abe Jul 2023 #41
I think it's great that you encourage them to fingerpaint. So much highplainsdem Jul 2023 #61
I've never tried Midjourney. Thanks for the heads-up... we'll give it a go! I'm sure it will be fun! Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #65
I am offering you good advice. I'm sorry you can't recognize it. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #67
Good advice? LOL! No. Wrong. That's not what you're doing. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #70
I just said you were helping their motor skills with the fingerpainting. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #73
I know what you said, and I know what you meant. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #74
Especially for children in families that are not the norm, Ms. Toad Jul 2023 #52
There are diverse stories and books out there, though. And people can write highplainsdem Jul 2023 #54
So white cis-het families with 2.5 children have tons of options open to them Ms. Toad Jul 2023 #58
You're the best. Thanks for sharing that! Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #68
There are better ways to get stories about diversity than generative AI that is highplainsdem Jul 2023 #69
No. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #71
There really aren't - without expending energy and money Ms. Toad Jul 2023 #76
+1 honest.abe Jul 2023 #78
I'm really glad you're reading to your kids. Arthur_Frain Jul 2023 #50
Have you ever tried buying kids books? honest.abe Jul 2023 #51
They're children. Weekend at Granny's house. We're having fun. Lots of laughs and silliness. Sue me! Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #16
You'd be helping those grandkids much more if they saw you making up highplainsdem Jul 2023 #18
Don't you dare fn lecture me on how I choose to spend time with my grandchildren. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #20
+1 honest.abe Jul 2023 #25
I'm someone who's read a lot of news articles on the harm generative AI does. highplainsdem Jul 2023 #27
Yay you! Do what you want for your grandkids. MineralMan Jul 2023 #43
Many thanks! ❤👍 Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #48
AI generated text is not plagiarism. It's just not. MineralMan Jul 2023 #45
There are disagreements on that: highplainsdem Jul 2023 #49
I disagree. As someone who made my living as a writer, MineralMan Jul 2023 #55
Have you seen the story about Sarah Silveman suing some AI company for plagiarism? LAS14 Jul 2023 #56
Nope. Haven't seen that. MineralMan Jul 2023 #57
There are a number of lawsuits against generative AI companies because highplainsdem Jul 2023 #59
It will be interesting to see how those go. MineralMan Jul 2023 #62
You might be fine with generative AI, but the WGA and the Authors Guild highplainsdem Jul 2023 #60
They can call it whatever they want. MineralMan Jul 2023 #63
I don't know how we're going to undo this damage. But I'm not going to highplainsdem Jul 2023 #64
OK. Good luck with that. MineralMan Jul 2023 #72
This would be a great thread for the lounge leftstreet Jul 2023 #22
"ChatGPT" is a "current event" (and apparently quite controversial too.) 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #23
Controversial, yes, but not for the reasons you may think leftstreet Jul 2023 #26
It's controversial for quite a few reasons, most of which I've posted highplainsdem Jul 2023 #29
Don't forget Skynet from Cyberdyne Systems! Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #40
Because we have been discussing AI pretty extensively in GD. MineralMan Jul 2023 #46
The op invites little discussion leftstreet Jul 2023 #53
Looks like a fairly robust discussion to me. 65 replies and counting. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #66
It's a hoot though. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #47
I love this! How old are your grands? Iris Jul 2023 #31
Five and four. Both special needs. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #35
I'm recommending this to people ripcord Jul 2023 #32
what would you get if ChatGPT had this type of input? Lucid Dreamer Jul 2023 #33
Try it and see. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #38
I see this ruffled the feathers of our resident AI obsessive alarmist BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #36
Heaven forbid someone finds something fun and useful using ChatGPT. honest.abe Jul 2023 #42
I can understand the speed & customization of CGTP. JanMichael Jul 2023 #75
"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves." Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #77
Simulacra covered life should be fun. JanMichael Jul 2023 #79

FSogol

(47,519 posts)
2. Get them a library card and take them to the local library to get books.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jul 2023

It is hard to beat Caldecott or Newberry award books.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
4. Good idea. Or I can promote their creativity this way. We have fun together.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:03 PM
Jul 2023

They get so excited and happy to hear their names and to see their own characters come to life.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
6. Its often hard to find just the right book for my kid in the library or bookstore.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:08 PM
Jul 2023

With ChatGPT I can customize it to exactly what I want.

FSogol

(47,519 posts)
7. As a kid, I was allowed to take as many books as I could carry.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:11 PM
Jul 2023

It didn't take long to figure out which writers and or artists I prefered. Get a little or everything and try it out.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
8. You are probably right but ChatGPT is so much easier.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:13 PM
Jul 2023

I can do it on my computer and print it out... done in about 15 minutes.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
11. You're right. Very easy... and fun! The kids like it.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:21 PM
Jul 2023

I really had no idea that this would be such a volatile subject. We're just having fun at Grandma's house!

It gets their creative juices flowing and they like to talk about it later. Sometimes, immediately after a story has been written, they'll want to change the ending... or they'll ask "then what happened". So I'll type in "Then what happened?" and the story continues.

They're THRILLED and laughter fills the room!

BannonsLiver

(20,204 posts)
37. Because one poster has led a bizarre anti AI campaign here
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:50 AM
Jul 2023

AI is totally evil and will destroy us all in their book. And because DU never met a doomsday scenario it didn’t love, that POV has become popular. Anything positive about AI threatens the narrative.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
39. Thanks for the information and the back-story. That puts things into perspective.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 12:04 PM
Jul 2023

Of course, people are "entitled to their opinion" but they're really not entitled to tell me how I should be caring for my special needs grandkids. Or that their AI-motivated creativity and engagement will lead to the downfall of society (as well as contributing to their "illiteracy" and "decimating their intelligence" ) What NERVE!!

It's really fun to see how they light up whenever they hear me read stories that include characters, names, places and events that they contributed. They become emotionally invested in the process and they'll actually sit-still while we "fingerpaint with words" and read the outcome together. The two who are often fussing and aggravating to each other actually cooperate and share ideas.

It's really something to see! I wanted to share a happy and delightful thing and an aspect of ChatGPT that others may not have thought about doing. And instead, I get shit on and scolded and lectured and insulted.

Wasn't that nice?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
44. I so agree.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 02:52 PM
Jul 2023

I still remember summer days at the library.

The time I didn't spend swimming, I was reading.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
3. I like to enter weird scenarios
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jul 2023

and ask it to write a story. Ex: Write me a story about Hulk Hogan wrestling a turtle.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
5. LOL! I might mention that to the grandkids to see what they can come up with
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:05 PM
Jul 2023

as far as creative and entertaining scenarios go. We've set the stage for aliens and monsters. The one where dogs that meow and cats that bark got the most laughs from them.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
10. Interesting. Maybe I'll plug in "Halloween" & "Candy Corn" & "Witches" and "talking jack-o-lanterns"
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 05:19 PM
Jul 2023

as a story parameter.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
13. Anyone using ChatGPT to "write stories"'- so it will mindlessly churn out patchwork
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 06:51 PM
Jul 2023

plagiarism thanks to data sets full of intellectual property taken without permission or compensation - would be much more creative if they'd write the stories themselves.

And if they'd encourage the youngsters they want to be creative to write their own stories.

Or maybe collaborate with the kids to actually write stories.

Yes, it's easy to use ChatGPT. Anyone can pretend they're creative by feeding a prompt to generative AI.

But it doesn't teach writing and creativity, any more than standing on an escalator teaches climbing. Or listening to a player piano teaches piano playing. It makes a mockery of creativity by providing an illusion of creativity.

There's a LOT of very good professional writing out there, available free from libraries if people don't want to buy it.

Real writing, by real people.

Not by what the Writers Guild of America correctly calls "plagiarism machines."

Better to follow the writers' example and actually write, if you want to create something of your own.

Writers aren't striking just to protect their livelihoods. Their strike is partly about AI because they know the value of creativity.

And a lot of those writers probably first tried writing stories when they were kids. They WROTE. Something we can all do. They didn't tell a machine to write for them.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
15. LOL! The hostile and aggressive responses here... too funny!
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:21 PM
Jul 2023

It's no worse a digital version of "MAD LIBS" ... lots of laughs and silliness! Fun to read and share and rewrite and modify.

Nobody is collaborating with SkyNet.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
17. People have been making up their own simple fun stories for kids for at least
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:33 PM
Jul 2023

millennia. Our brains are good at that.

And kids have been making up stories forever, too.

That's being creative.

People have retold and shared stories, recognizing one another's creativity. Human creativity.

Generative AI rips off human creativity, for the profit of a few. It offers an illusion of creativity so more people will be okay with it and ignore the harm done to the people whose work was ripped off.

And that illusion of creativity turns off real creativity. Why come up with a story on your own if a machine will do it for you in seconds?

I ran across a thread on Twitter the other day, after software engineer Grady Booch quote-tweeted it, about two art students in Japan who'd been considering suicide because their dreams of an art career were being destroyed by generative AI. One came from a family that gone into debt to pay for his art education.

There's too much about generative AI that isn't fun in any way. The "write a poem" or "write a story" promotion of it is bait to increase usage and try to make people think it's harmless and fun, so they don't care about the theft of intellectual property, or the deepfakes, or the spreading of misinformation, or all the errors produced by that type of AI.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
19. Well I can tell you it's very difficult to find the book I am interested in.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jul 2023

Most are either too complicated are too simplistic. Plus the other advantage of chatgpt is that you can customize the story using your kids actual name and age and activities your kid is interested in. There is nothing like that in the library or a bookstore.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
21. It's good for kids to be a bit challenged by what they're reading. And
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:54 PM
Jul 2023

I haven't met any kids who needed to be written into a story, to have it customized for them, to be interested in it. Although it sometimes amuses preschoolers who can't read to have their name filled in as a character's name when you're reading to them. But that seems to be mostly a llittle joke to them. "There was a princess named Jenny livng in a castle by the sea.." That sort of thing can get a giggle, but it shouldn't be necessary.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
24. It's not about being challenged.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 08:01 PM
Jul 2023

It’s keeping the kid engaged. If his name and favorite activities are involved he is more likely to stay focused. I suspect you don’t have kids or you would understand.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
28. I've read a lot of stories to my siblings' and friends' kids, bought a lot of
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 08:20 PM
Jul 2023

of books for them, and babysat them for days at a time to give their parents breaks. Again, I haven't encountered any who had to be in a story to find it interesting. That includes when I did a lot of babysitting when I was in junior high and high school.

I am sorry you've had trouble keeping your boy engaged in something he's reading. I always liked reading about other people and new, different activities. Reading can open new worlds for children. Which is why introducing them to diverse authors is helpful.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
30. That's your experience and that's fine.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 08:40 PM
Jul 2023

For me and my kid we will do it our way. Sorry that disturbs you.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
34. My grandkids like to finger-paint too. I can only imagine that some here will scold me because we ar
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:43 AM
Jul 2023

My grandkids like to finger-paint too. I can only imagine that some here will scold me because we are using paint that someone else made (rather than making the paint ourselves from powdered minerals, berry juices, and tallow.) And lecturing me how BIG FINGERPAINT is ruining our culture and making kids lazy because they lack the skills to make their own paint.

Afterwards I teach them how to clean up for themselves and I let them load and start the washing-machine to clean off their fingerpaint smocks (my husbands old dress shirts worn backward.) But, alas, I's sure that someone will wail and gnash their teeth while they berate me for denying them the opportunity of using a washboard, or beating the shirts on the rocks next to a stream in order to get them clean.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
61. I think it's great that you encourage them to fingerpaint. So much
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:39 PM
Jul 2023

better for them than, say, having them watch as you give a prompt to image generators like Midjourney to spit out pictures for you. They would't be learning anything or improving their motor skills that way, just as they aren't exercising their minds and creativity when ChatGPT makes up stories for them.

And ChatGPT, like Midjourney, is based on the theft of vast amounts of intellectual property. Which is why there are lawsuits against them, and why they're fighting the enactment of laws to force them to reveal everything they stole.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
65. I've never tried Midjourney. Thanks for the heads-up... we'll give it a go! I'm sure it will be fun!
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jul 2023

We have also made collage images by cutting and pasting from magazines to create a composite image. Sometimes the results are hysterical. But, I have little doubt that some 🍑 will come along and lecture me about how we shouldn't do that because we're "stealing" from the photographers and magazine publishers! LOL!

Thanks again for the image generator idea! I can't wait!! We can probably use that to create "covers" or multiple illustrations for the stories that the kids help to generate by inputting their own ideas about the characters, time/place, event, action, names, etc.

This is going to be so much fun! My grandkids and I thank you in advance for your input! You're the best!

There's nothing quite as nice as having total strangers on the internet offer unsolicited advice on how to raise and care for my own kin, or to point out what I'm "doing wrong". So thoughtful and kind.

https://docs.midjourney.com/



highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
67. I am offering you good advice. I'm sorry you can't recognize it.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:07 PM
Jul 2023

If you're really interested in generative AI, you might try searching Google News for

AI

and finding out about the problems it's been creating. Way more stories about that than I could find time to post.

Or just keep using it and don't give a damn about the people whose intellectual property was ripped off.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
70. Good advice? LOL! No. Wrong. That's not what you're doing.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:21 PM
Jul 2023

I'm being insulted and the things I'm being told are unsolicited and unwanted. I'm being told to "do better" and hearing insinuations that I'm somehow harming my grandchildren. I've heard that I'm making them illiterate and making them dumb and harming their motor-skills and coordination. Exactly how did you think I'm going to respond to shit like that? You don't know me. You don't know our family. You don't know what we need, or how things work around here. I'm sorry that you can't recognize it.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
73. I just said you were helping their motor skills with the fingerpainting.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:31 PM
Jul 2023

And I've seen too many warnings from educators about the risks of letting AI think for us to believe it's a good idea to have AI write stories for us.

People have always been able to entertain kids with stories they made up themselves, or made up with the kids' help. That's great. Having ChatGPT do it for you is like telling a neighbor to go off and write the story for you and bring it back. The only thing you're sharing with the kids is the prompt, when you could be sharing the actual creation of the story. Which would be better.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
74. I know what you said, and I know what you meant.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:35 PM
Jul 2023

Who cares if it's "like telling a neighbor" to write a story. The kids LOVE it! We have a great time. It focuses their attention and energy. You have NO CLUE what this family needs. How dare anyone stand-on-high and proclaim that we're doing it wrong, or that I need to "do better".

Bye.

👉🔥👿🚪👋

Ms. Toad

(38,134 posts)
52. Especially for children in families that are not the norm,
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:34 PM
Jul 2023

who never see themselves in the story - or perhaps in 1/100 stories - the ability to generate a customized story about people who look like them, who have families that look like themselves is critica.

Remember the impact having Obama in the White House had on black children who had never had anyone who looked like them in the White House?

Although things are getting better, there is still a dearth of stories which feature children with two moms or two dads, children of many racial minorities, children who are gender non-conforming, children living in poverty, etc. Chat GPT creates an easy way for children to have access to stories about people like them.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
54. There are diverse stories and books out there, though. And people can write
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jul 2023

their own. Stories with real meaning. Not something a chatbot spit out.

Everyone has the ability to tell stories. No need to turn that ability over to a chatbot.

Ms. Toad

(38,134 posts)
58. So white cis-het families with 2.5 children have tons of options open to them
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:58 PM
Jul 2023

Without needing to invest the time and energy to create the stories themselves - but those who are not served well by the mainstream selection of stories are expected to forego using an available tool?

Life in a family that does not match the ones stories are predominantly written for takes much more energy than life in ones for whom commercially available - and those stories are far less common and take more energy to find.

Just a couple of examples from my own life. I am in a family headed by a same-gender couple.

We were forced to use Medicaid to provide medical care for my daughter - since I stayed home until she was 5 - and was ineligible for coverage on my own because of pre-existing conditions, and my spouse's insurance refused to cover us because she was not legally related to her daughter.

Whenever our daughter was sick (frequently because of her chronic illnesses) we had to create special documents for my spouse to be able to drop her off at the sick-child center at the local hospital since they were not legally related.

We were denied the opportunity for her to be legally related to both of her parents until she was in her 20s because our marriage was not recognized - a battle that had to be fought on our nickel through the apellate level.

Until our marriage was recognized (20 some years into our marriage) we paid between $1000 and $8,000 additional taxes each year.

That's just a few examples, off the top of my head, of things we have had to expend extra money and time on because our family is not the "norm." And we took money from savings (and time we didn't have) when our daughter was around 5 to go to a conference where our daughter would not be the only child with two moms (or two dads) - because she never saw families that looked like hers and desperately wanted to.

Yes, we could have written our own stories for her - but suggesting we should stand on principle and reject a tool that makes it easier to have lots of stories available - increases the already heavy burden on families like mine.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
68. You're the best. Thanks for sharing that!
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:15 PM
Jul 2023

My grandkids are special needs and have two daddies. Nobody wanted them (or, nobody was willing to accept the challenges and expenses involved)... it's a big-ask after all. But filled with so many rewards. It's amazing how many people feel that it's their moral obligation to judge and tell me that we're "doing it wrong".

It's such a delight for me to see them cooperating and focusing on something like this. They're bickering brothers (often) but I love to hear them discuss story ideas before I type them in. In one story the dog meowed and the cat barked (I'd have never thought of that) and there was another talking squirrel that liked cookies. Kids! It's fun for me too when I see them cooperating and acting as a team and coming up with clever ideas.

How fortunate that some people don't have to worry about these things and they can help to ease our own burdens and challenges by telling us how we OUGHT to be raising and caring for our families. So much leftover time on their hands that they can share their expertise with us!

Isn't that nice?

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
69. There are better ways to get stories about diversity than generative AI that is
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:18 PM
Jul 2023

most likely rarely used for that, but has ripped off countless artists.

Generative AI has been attracting a lot of criticism and media attention precisely because it currently tends to be biased. Unless you carefully specify content from it, you're likely to get something that's sexist or racist or biased in some other way.

Funding real writers, professional writers, to write more of the sorts of books you want would be the best start. Then their work could be available to a lot more readers, not just one ChatGPT user.

Just one of many, many stories about that ChatGPT problem:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chatgpt-large-language-model-bias-60-minutes-2023-03-05/

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
71. No.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:25 PM
Jul 2023

I appreciate your concern, but I am comfortable using ChatGPT to create age-appropriate stories for my grandchildren. I have taken the time to ensure that the stories are suitable for their age group and that they are enjoyable for them. Nobody is interested in your opinion on this matter and would appreciate it if in the future you could refrain from offering unsolicited advice on how to raise or entertain my grandchildren. We're doing just fine.

Ms. Toad

(38,134 posts)
76. There really aren't - without expending energy and money
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 06:06 PM
Jul 2023

that many families that are different from the norm don't have. This is my lived experience. I know what is out there, what isn't, and how much effort it takes to find it. Suggesting that I (and other families like mine) skip a tool that can be used to level the playing field.

Funding real writers is a societal solution. We should not expect families like mine to wait for societal solution at the cost of a real time solution for our own famlies - at a time when our families are increasingly under attack, and books featuring diverse characters/living situations are being pulled from the shelves.

As to ripping off artists - that is not inherent in AI. It is a function of the developers, many of whom have not licensed the training content. And it is far more of an issue with graphic AI than language-based models. Unless you expressly ask for a story in the style of a particular author, having it generate stories based on content prompts creates a very low likelihood that it is ripping off authors.

As to the concerns about bias - if what is generated is biased, toss it, tweak the prompt, and create another one. That is far less of a burden than expecting families like mine to sift through the sands of the Sahara desert to find books featuring famlies like mine - or to pursue public funding for authors, leaving another generation of children with the current supply of books in which they do not see themselves.

Arthur_Frain

(2,264 posts)
50. I'm really glad you're reading to your kids.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:15 PM
Jul 2023

But this statement is a little rich IMHO.


“Most are either too complicated are too simplistic”

Chatgpt better than Jack London? Hans Christian Andersen? No. Sorry, I’m a big fan of classic literature, and for anyone well read enough, A.I. will never supplant the essays on the human condition by the masters.

Referring to books in general. It’s an unimaginative excuse. I read Grimms Fairy tales to my then girlfriends nieces when they were very young. They were amazed at all of them.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
51. Have you ever tried buying kids books?
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jul 2023

There are tons of them but very hard to find just the right one for young child 4-6 years old. Many use weird language trying to be intellectually funny I suppose. And others are so babyish/childish that my kid loses interest. We have about a hundred books and very few of them seem to fit. We usually end up reading science related books. ChatGPT fills a nice void of custom fiction for kids.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
16. They're children. Weekend at Granny's house. We're having fun. Lots of laughs and silliness. Sue me!
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:30 PM
Jul 2023

🙄👎🚪💢🧑‍��

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
18. You'd be helping those grandkids much more if they saw you making up
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:42 PM
Jul 2023

your own story, or if you encouraged them to come up with their own. If you really want to encourage creativity, as opposed to encouraging them to have a machine write for them.

And those human-created stories, if saved, would really be something special.

Not something ChatGPT can spit out in seconds, following algorithms mindlessly.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
20. Don't you dare fn lecture me on how I choose to spend time with my grandchildren.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 07:49 PM
Jul 2023

You're not there. Who TF do you think you are? We're having fun. They love it! Why shit all over this thread and insinuate that I don't know how to "help" my own grandchildren. What nerve!

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
27. I'm someone who's read a lot of news articles on the harm generative AI does.
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 08:07 PM
Jul 2023

And who's had good friends who taught writing.

And I've known quite a few professional writers, which is why I side with the writers against AI.

I love seeing kids encouraged to write, to come up with stories. Having a machine write for you isn't writing, isn't being creative.

The people using generative AI to spit out fake art in the style of a favorite artist think it's just fun, too, and they want to share it online. And it's making it harder for real artists to find their own work rather than AI imitations of it online. And AI mimicry of famous artists has been turning up at the top of Google searches.

MineralMan

(150,569 posts)
45. AI generated text is not plagiarism. It's just not.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jul 2023

AI bots learn how to construct sensible copy, based on the same rules humans use. It also learns some basics about behavior, both human and animal. It learns how to rhyme words, so it can write rhyming poetry, too.

Then, you feed it a few nouns and maybe some verbs and tell it to create a story using those parameters. It understands the basic structure and flow of a story, because those are things included in its algorithms.

It does that. Sometimes, it does it better than the average person does. That's embarrassing, but not plagiarism.

Plagiarism has a definition. It is copying someone else's writing and presenting it as your own.

All things written in a language follow the rules of that language. So, an AI bot can use those rules, information about words, and other algorithms to put sentences together that make some sort of sense. The more algorithms and relationships between words the bot has been trained for, the more complex the output it creates can be, and the more sense it will make.

There are many aspects of AI language generation that are iffy, but it is not plagiarism.

MineralMan

(150,569 posts)
55. I disagree. As someone who made my living as a writer,
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:46 PM
Jul 2023

I know what plagiarism is.

I did an experiment. I asked an ai story writing system to write me a story about a squirrel and a stinkbug. Here's what it came up with:

Once upon a time, in a quaint little garden, a curious squirrel named Nutmeg and a friendly stinkbug named Odie became unlikely friends. Nutmeg, with his fluffy tail and acrobatic moves, was the envy of all his fellow squirrels. Odie, on the other hand, was small and unassuming, often overlooked and misunderstood due to his pungent odor.

One sunny morning, Nutmeg was scampering about, searching for acorns to store for winter. As he leaped from tree to tree, he was suddenly captivated by the sweet aroma of a nearby flower. In his pursuit of the enticing scent, he didn't notice he was getting dangerously close to a treacherous spiderweb.

Just as Nutmeg was about to become entangled, a strong gust of wind blew; it was Odie flapping his wings in a desperate attempt to warn his new friend. Alarmed, Nutmeg quickly changed direction, narrowly avoiding a sticky web.

Grateful for Odie's intervention, Nutmeg scurried down from the tree and approached the stinkbug with a timid smile. "Thank you, Odie. You saved me from a sticky situation," Nutmeg said, his voice filled with genuine appreciation.

Odie, surprised by Nutmeg's kindness, smiled back and humbly replied, "It was nothing, Nutmeg. I couldn't bear to see you in trouble."


Pretty clever, but not plagiarized. Unique, instead, and coherent, even using some interesting wordplay.

LAS14

(15,455 posts)
56. Have you seen the story about Sarah Silveman suing some AI company for plagiarism?
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:51 PM
Jul 2023

I haven't, but I'd love to know the details of her case.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
59. There are a number of lawsuits against generative AI companies because
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:15 PM
Jul 2023

they're built on theft of intellectual property. Which is why they don't want to reveal what's in their training data sets.

MineralMan

(150,569 posts)
62. It will be interesting to see how those go.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:47 PM
Jul 2023

Thing is that most of this is open source, which man's that all of the horses are out of the barn, and the fences are all down.

There's no going back. This was inevitable, you see.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
60. You might be fine with generative AI, but the WGA and the Authors Guild
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:31 PM
Jul 2023

aren't. And the WGA calls this type of AI "plagiarism machines."

MineralMan

(150,569 posts)
63. They can call it whatever they want.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:50 PM
Jul 2023

This is just the predictable beginning. How do you suppose you're going to get this cat back in the bag?

As I said, it's all open source.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
64. I don't know how we're going to undo this damage. But I'm not going to
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 04:58 PM
Jul 2023

think it's fine that artists are being ripped off, students are being dumbed down, teachers' jobs are being made much harder, scammers are being helped by deepfakes, etc., just because this crap is out there. It needs to be regulated.

highplainsdem

(59,761 posts)
29. It's controversial for quite a few reasons, most of which I've posted
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 08:28 PM
Jul 2023

about here over the last several months.

That WSJ article goes into only a few.

MineralMan

(150,569 posts)
46. Because we have been discussing AI pretty extensively in GD.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 02:54 PM
Jul 2023

This is just another such discussion.

leftstreet

(38,739 posts)
53. The op invites little discussion
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 03:36 PM
Jul 2023

You're right, AI has been (and will continue to be) discussed here. Everything from content quality to govt intervention to unpaid labor extraction. etc etc

The op is about the joy of spending time with one's grandchildren.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
66. Looks like a fairly robust discussion to me. 65 replies and counting.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:04 PM
Jul 2023

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I just discovered the little "X" box to click on thread titles that we never want to see again. (It's not perfect, but it's mostly effective. If something manages to make it to the home page, then the "X" ignore/hide that was previously applied is not honored for things on the home page.) Oh well.

Have a nice day!

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
35. Five and four. Both special needs.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:06 AM
Jul 2023

They are so sweet and loving, but they can be a challenge too. This has become an activity that they look forward to. They cannot yet read but they enjoy picture books. These AI generated stories (using familiar characters/people, names, places, events) really help to keep them engaged and in-the-moment. And, eager for more. (Even without illustrations.)

It's amazing to me the nerve that some people have in telling me how to care for my own grandkids, or to insinuate that I'm harming them, or to insinuate that I'm contributing to their delinquency by picking the pockets of writers and not buying their books. Even worse, is to have someone who doesn't know us tell me that my grandkids are "not being creative" or that this play and this level of creativity is somehow holding-them-back. When the reality is that it's something that they ENJOY and it opens them up!

Give it a go! It's easy and it's not the evil that people are making it out to be. Just don't share it HERE publicly, otherwise there could be some hostility (but you can send me a private message if you want).

Honestly, I wonder what it is that makes others feel that they are better than everyone else? Or that they have some sort of moral obligation to tell people how to raise their kids/grandkids? They sit on-high, looking down their collective noses, in judgement of others and lecture us on the "right way" to raise children.

It's really not clear to me why anyone would find that to be a rewarding hobby. Nobody needs outsiders butting-in to to their lives and making assumptions and providing unsolicited childcare instructions. Are they trying to prove their virtuousness? Do they feel better about themselves by pointing out the perceived flaws in others? What is it about public displays of moral superiority that people find to be so compelling or necessary?

Well... let the "H.T.T" games begin, I guess. This is one ridiculously prideful competition that I'll happily sit out.

Lucid Dreamer

(589 posts)
33. what would you get if ChatGPT had this type of input?
Thu Jul 20, 2023, 09:38 PM
Jul 2023

ChatGPT
multiplies illiteracy
decimates intelligence
society downfall
100 words

[asking for a friend]

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
38. Try it and see.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:53 AM
Jul 2023

Those fantastical dystopian concepts and fear-mongering aren't appropriate for their ages and abilities. In our case, it's best to stick to topics that interest and engage them.

(Answering for a friend.) 🙄

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
75. I can understand the speed & customization of CGTP.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:52 PM
Jul 2023

It is an amazing tool. I think that the film BigBug does a nice mapping out of the good and possibly bad impact that AI will have on humans by 2045. Enjoy it while you can. I use it at work for fluff or filler and ideas but always give credit. So definitely mark the printouts with the source or 50 years from now you'll get credit for writing something you didn't 100% write. Wouldn't want to create a false reality now.

I hope it does not end with "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream".

It's all fun and games until it isn't.

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