If Trump flees, it will be to Dubai - my 2c

[speak easy]

Dubai, where the ultra rich live in near total security and anonymity, while enjoying the city's similarly ultra exclusive, top rated golf courses, of which there are out of five. He would never have to mix with MAGA plebs again.

[JPK]

1. Vegas odds

Are there bets as to if Trump will head to another country to avoid prosecution? Or, if found guilty, book it as well.

[speak easy]

2. I'm card counting

[WarGamer]

3. Magnificent city... I've been there twice

[TheBlackAdder]

33. He likes Russian women and he's a reprobate. His behavior would not be tollerated there.

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He needs to go some place where he can be a complete perv and skeeze on underaged girls.

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

4. Here is a list for TFG to consider

Link to tweet

[emulatorloo]

5. ++++

[speak easy]

7. and Antartica

[Hugh_Lebowski]

18. If it's me I probably go Maldives, Vanuatu, Indonesia, or Vietnam

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[Lady Freedom Returns]

44. This statement has me thinking he is contemplating to make a run for it.

They did take his passport, right? Right? .....RIGHT?

[brooklynite]

6. He won't be "ultra-rich"...

His assets will be here in the United States and won't likely be transferrable.

[speak easy]

9. He does not have to be ultra rich,

only afforded the security and anonymity that the ultra rich enjoy.

[brooklynite]

21. Why would he be offered that?

[speak easy]

22. You've got to be kidding, old sport.

[Dorian Gray]

47. I actually have the same question

in exile, he is of no use to the people who would pay for those things.

[speak easy]

49. A past US president is assasinated / kidnapped in the Emir's capital city?

lol!! - In Dubai, money is not an object.

[brooklynite]

54. You're missing the point. WHY would Dubai extend this invitation to him?

[speak easy]

57. ...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/15/trump-abraham-accords-palestinians-peace-deal-415083

[brooklynite]

58. Consider the Donald Trump mantra..."what have you done for me lately"?

[Autumn]

66. Betting he has a thumb drive full of classified documents, some that were not removed, just

photos and copies.

[FakeNoose]

12. He'll figure out some kind of swap with a family member

The older sister Marianne, isn't she an officer in the Trump Organization? If she wanted to help him she could figure out a way to drain assets out of the company and funnel to him in another country. I'm not sure if she's interested in helping him though. The feds will be watching all the family members I'm sure.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

45. Are you sure he hasn't already have something stashed there?

We really don't know what he had done over the years.
He could have been hiding money from way before this for some quick getaway do to this or that.

[lapucelle]

56. That assumes that he doesn't have more than what we normally consider as assets.

Would a thumb drive containing intelligence documents be considered an "asset"?

[onenote]

8. I would be as wealthy as Trump if I had a dollar for every DU post predicting he'll flee the US

[speak easy]

11. The OP - "If Trump flees"

[Cha]

14. I don't think he will. that would

be too good to be true.

MF out of America as a wanted criminal?

Treasonous Chicken Shit Whining "I won" from a non Extradition country.. Please Proceed, Asshole.

[speak easy]

17. "too good to be true"

Yeah. That would trash his reputation with most MAGAs. Benedict Arnold fled to merry ol' England .

[Cha]

19. Another thing they would have in common..

[OAITW r.2.0]

10. Lets game this out.

Trump heads to Dubai and Jared follows with a $3BB briefcase. Trump gets a huuuuge development deal to make the GREATEST GOLF COURSE in the world. Ivanka gets a job pitching Dubai real estate worldwide. Jr and Eric drive Ferraris on the deserted highways,

[Celerity]

13. IF he did flee, I agree with this (I would call it all of UAE), as well as these only other options

Non Extradition Countries

Bahrain
Indonesia (not sure if they would take him)
Kuwait
Oman
China
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates


too small or would not take him (I did not list many others, as he would never go to them):

Andorra
Comoros
Cyprus
Maldives
Saint Martin
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Solomon Islands
Taiwan
Vatican City

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. He won't flee, his assets would be seized. Nt

[speak easy]

20. You think he does not have assets stowed away outside the USA?

He would be the only wealth guy who doesn't. Flying out of the U.S. he would leave his debts behind

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. His debts are mostly held by foreign banks

And the US has successfully seized hidden assets from Switzerland, the Caymans, etc.

His creditors would seize his properties and sell them.

His accounts would be frozen. No money in or out.

Trump has limited liquid assets, he depends on his monthly income from his grifts for living expenses.

He’s not going to flee.

[speak easy]

30. "He's not going to flee."

I didn't say he would. What I am saying is that he would not flee to China, Russia, or Saudi Arabia. Whether, in his mind, he is in position to flee, is something only he knows for sure.

[tinrobot]

26. He has assets?

It's obvious he spends everything he grifts from his donors.

Without those donors, he'd be bankrupt (like he's been many times before)

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. His creditors would seize his properties and sell them. Nt

[carpetbagger]

16. Im voting on China.

What's in it for the UAE? Xi would love to have a trophy like Trump, and keeping him busy with Trump Tower Macau will get Trump to say whatever is asked for.

[tinrobot]

29. Does Xi really need that sort of trophy?

I'm thinking Trump would be more trouble than he's worth. Xi is smart enough to know that.

Russia seems like the more obvious choice.

[carpetbagger]

35. I think he would.

An American ex-president relocating for business works really well with China's goals of soft power. Trump will surely refrain from saying anything unwanted with the threat of extradition over his head, and he's basically a prostitute anyway, he'll be a true Xi fanboy.

[Arthur_Frain]

23. He can't do this.

His xenophobia is well documented, despite his claim yesterday that he would rather be in the south of France, there’s way too many immigrants in France.

He’s not fleeing anywhere.

[speak easy]

27. The OP - "If Trump flees"

"too good to be true"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18168568

The OP is in response to speculation he would flee to China, Russia, or Saudi Arabia. You can live in Dubai. and never meet a local.

There are currently around 40,000 people from the US living in the city, with Americans making up one of the largest expat communities in the Emirates.

https://www.aetnainternational.com/en/individuals/destination-guides/expat-guide-to-dubai/living-working-dubai-american.html

[onenote]

61. Do you think he will flee if convicted if not before?

[Arthur_Frain]

65. It's not just the people.

It’s the not-American cultural things that you simply can’t avoid when you leave the US. He doesn’t do well with that aspect of it either. You could see it in his eyes after less than a week abroad.

It may seem like a good idea now because of all the pressure he’s under now, but he would start to chafe immediately.

The fact that he couldn’t return once he fled would stick in his craw too.

[carpetbagger]

37. His xenophobia is opportunistic.

He despises poor people for sure, and I say poor very loosely.

Remember that this is the guy who hires immigrants left.and right to save money, and who semi-ran for the 2000 Reform Party nomination as an anti-Buchanan candidate.

He's as pliable as a dog confronted with a steak. In the words of the Simpsons bit character Surly... "Surly only looks out for one guy... Surly."

[TwilightZone]

25. He's not going anywhere.

The insistence that he's going to flee the country is rather odd, but it certainly is persistent.

[jmowreader]

31. Something Trump should consider:

He can’t fly commercial because he’d be spotted in a second and hauled in.

Every jet he has, only has enough range to get him to a country with an extradition treaty.

And if they went to extreme measures like packing him in a ULD with four cases of Diet Coke and three sacks of Whoppers for his trip to a non-treaty country, nothing says they wouldn’t send him home between two cops anyway.

[Disaffected]

34. "He can't fly commercial because...."

Why not? He has no travel restrictions so who/what would stop him?

[bamagal62]

32. I have 2 experiences with Dubai.

My Chicago neighbors in Singapore decided to move there to dodge taxes. They tried Singapore first. But weren’t allowed to buy a large enough property. So, went to Dubai. I’m fairly certain they gave up citizenship. Then, I have a friend that her husband got a job there in the hotel business and due to visa requirements she was not allowed to follow initially. He disappeared and she never saw him again. Had to report him as missing. He’s never surfaced. Gone. I mean gone from the face of the earth. She’s had to raise 4 kids on her own in the UK. Dubai is a weird place. So, yes, I could see him going there.

[Earth-shine]

36. Dubai is so modern looking, they filmed the most recent Star Trek movie there.

All the scenes in the giant space station were filmed in Dubai.

[Solomon]

52. That was the only thing I was impressed by: the buildings. Other than that, ... pfft.

[Solly Mack]

38. I don't see him fleeing.

Because -

1) He is "somebody" here. Course, that's a matter of opinion and depends how one defines "somebody". But he does have a following here, and those idiots think he's god.

2) He hates, literally hates, people different from him. Some scare him. Some make him feel stupid. Some he views as dirty and beneath him. He feels this even more so about foreigners.

3)He has to be top dog in a room and as a fleeing ex-leader, he has too much competition. Like the actual top dogs of any given country.

4) He is a creature of habit and all his habits are best met in America. Because he feels a sense of control in America. Real or not. He feels safe.

5) His only use to a foreign country depends on him having power. No oval office, no power, no worth.

Trump would expect to be pampered and feted and he would be, initially, depending on where he landed - if he were to flee. That stage wouldn't last long though and he would be stuck as just another former leader living in exile. Not exactly anything exciting about that, as it has been done many times before. Bothersome and boring.

Few countries want to have an international incident with America. Not because we're the biggest and the baddest, or any such thing as that, but because he simply isn't worth the politics of it all.

Just my 2 cents.

[speak easy]

39. 1 - 5 : If he was facing prison?

2. There is a substantial U.S. ex-pat community in Dubai. You never have to meet the locals.

[Solly Mack]

40. Not even with the threat of prison.

But let's say he did flee because he fears prison. Because it could happen, I just don't think it will.

He'd lobby to come back before the year was out. Life wouldn't be what he thought it would be as the "guest" of another country. He wouldn't be just another "ex-pat". He'd be a former leader of a country fleeing the laws of that country - a wanted man. He'd be a "guest" with all kinds of rules and regulations he'd have to follow. His home and phones would be bugged. He would not be allowed to live the same kind of life as ex-pats.

The US could take all of Trump's properties. All of his accounts. Everything. Trump Tower, Mar a Lago - everything.

His kids might balk at that. He could sign everything over to them but as long as there was a chance they'd send him money, a claim could be made that money was coming from those businesses and properties, and they could still seize them. Or go after his children - and they would balk at that even more. They'll save themselves, and they should.


I'm sure Trump would rather be in the south of France than being in prison. Who wouldn't? But he wants to remain in America because he doesn't do well in environments in which he can't feel a sense of being in control. Even at his golf clubs in Ireland and Scotland, he gets that feeling of being in control because he owns them. He seldom ventures outside the club grounds.

Trump needs to feel safe and he doesn't feel safe unless he is in control.

He has to be "King" of his domain. That's why he spends most of his time within his own properties. Because outside of those domains, he doesn't have control.

When he was president, he got to carry the trappings of control around with him. He brought his insulation of power with him. That's one reason he keeps everyone out of his rallies but his followers. No challenges mean he is in complete control. He is the center of attention.

He loved the power of being president - more so the trappings of power than the actual governing. That's why he wants to speak and then everyone do as he says. No governing involved when you are a tyrant. Do as you're told isn't governing. It's keeping everyone in check so you can feel safe. In control.

Same thing that drives all conservatives - demanding that people all believe what you believe and behave as you think they should behave isn't just about being an authoritarian, it's about creating an environment where if everyone behaves and believes as you do, then you can continue to believe the most outlandish of things, no matter how wrong or dangerous, without challenges - and that creates a sense of both control and safety.

But he could flee. I just don't think it likely. I don't see it.

[speak easy]

41. But he could pick up the phone,

and talk to MBS, Putin, and Netanyahu, at a moments notice. Look, I don't know what is going on in his sick, twisted 'mind' but I am saying is that he would not seek ass-ylum in China, Russia or Saudi Arabia. If he flees, as a traitor, he will joint the exalted company of Benedict Arnold and Jefferson Davis. So be it. We shall see soon enough.

[Solly Mack]

42. Oh, I agree with that. He would not seek asylum in those countries.

[speak easy]

43. Personally, I would suggest Antarctica.

[Solly Mack]

46. Diego Garcia

At one of the former CIA black sites. There are - obviously - secure rooms to hold him. It's an island, he'd be isolated. Brit and American military personnel could take turns guarding him, along with any secret service agents assigned. Sort of like what was done with Hess.

His family and lawyers can afford to visit him there. A bit of a hardship due to security measures but still doable.

He'd be safe because no other prisoners, that anyone knows of, are housed there at present.

It would be special treatment, of course. That should appeal to him. lol.

Just having fun.

[NowISeetheLight]

48. Perfect

Fly a trailer house there, put a fence around it, and he can "live" there under house arrest. Give him a little putting green for his "recreation" time.

[Solly Mack]

63. But make him clean the toilets.

[hatrack]

51. He wouldn't be applauded every night in his very own club before dinner . . .

And if that's not an option, then fuhgeddaboutit.

[Solly Mack]

59. He couldn't live without it.

[Tommy Carcetti]

50. My prediction? Puerto Rico

See here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217130780

[FSogol]

64. He did give them a roll of paper towels, so they do owe him.

[pwb]

53. Trump camel steaks coming soon.

He could try and sell sand.

[Paladin]

60. Why would trump go anywhere else?

No other country in the world would allow him to get away with the things he's done, and still remain a free man, raking in tons of cash from brain-dead true believers, and dividing his time between various luxury resorts.

[Wednesdays]

62. I agree.

Plenty of exclusive golf courses there.

If it isn't Dubai, it'll be somewhere else on the Arabian peninsula. Lots of friends in high places there, and NONE have extradition treaties with the USA.