Can anyone tell me the passage in the Bible that I knew you in the womb quoted by pence?

[kimbutgar]

[sinkingfeeling]

1. Jeremiah 1:5

In Jeremiah 1:5 God says, “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you; before you were born, I sanctified you; and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

[calguy]

3. Pence writes his own scripture to suit his needs

[thinkingagain]

4. Is this what you want?

Jeremiah 1:5
New International Version
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

I am not watching the debate so

[Frasier Balzov]

5. Jeremiah 1:5

But who is God addressing?

Who is the "you" in this verse?

Jeremiah?

[catrose]

6. Jeremiah, yes. Not Pence or anybody else.

[debm55]

9. Why is scripture even being brought up in a debate? At a church-yes. At a public debate --no

[Frasier Balzov]

10. I suppose it constitutes virtue signaling to the evangelicals.

They're an important voting bloc in the Republican Party.

The Christian Nationalists too.

[debm55]

14. I understand he is pandering to a base. but not all of us belong to that base. Religion should not

be mixed with politics.

[Mark.b2]

8. This verse is just one of many in early the chapters of Jeremiah....

After Jeremiah says something to the effect of "the word of God came to me."

[Recycle_Guru]

7. standard old testament anti abortion scripture quote

along with stoning someone to death if a pregnant woman is injured and fetus dies

[Moosepoop]

20. I think you have that backwards.

The Old Testament verse on the subject is Exodus 21:22-25, and it says that if the fetus dies, the assailant must pay monetary damages to the husband. If the pregnant woman is injured, the assailant gets the same injuries inflicted upon him. If the pregnant woman dies, the assailant is put to death.

It's the source of the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth ,,," sayings.

So really, in biblical times, a fetus was only considered "property" until birth.
And "property" of the husband, not the woman carrying it, at that.
Drawing the first breath was the benchmark for classifying a fetus as a "person."
Until then, it wasn't a "baby" to them. Yet now, the aim is to designate even an embryo as a "baby."

There's some serious disconnect between what Old Testament says and what is being said today.

[kimbutgar]

11. Thank you all I never read this passage

I am a New Testament Christian that follows the words and teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. I have a hard time with the Old Testament because we don’t know who wrote it or edited it. I always take a dimmer view when I hear its quoted.

[debm55]

15. Agree. And keep it in his church. I'm not big on the Old Testament either.

[The Magistrate]

12. And It Has Nothing To Do With Commencement Of Life, Ma'am

It is simply the usual claim to omniscience tricked up gaudy. Yes, the deity knows everything, always has, nothing happens the deity did not know would eons ago, did not, even, cause to happen eons ago. In this case, the recognition and marking out of a particular prophet, one Jeremiah. He is a bit awkward to look into, an extremely unpleasant creature with a foul diet, though the account given of him cannot be true in detail, for the activities ascribed to him would not be tolerated in a besieged city. In modern political terms, he was a defeatist and a quisling who, when his country was assailed by a powerful neighbor, announced their attack was blessed, and certain of success. Because the deity wanted the people punished, for something or other....

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. Personally, I do NOT want to be governed by some fairy tale book.

How about you?

[kimbutgar]

17. Exactly

[Deuxcents]

16. The Constitution is our base for laws..

Not the Bible or any religion. They’re supposed to be debating about our country, not their church

[debm55]

18. Totally agree.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

19. It's The Scripture All Pro-Forced Birthers Use

The problem is, just like pretty much EVERY piece of scripture they quote to justify their backward-ass thinking, it has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, and absolutely nothing to do with "when life begins." People who have actually READ the Bible know that it's basically PRO abortion. There's even a segment in there containing a recipe for an abortofacient (a concoction you can whip up to feed to a woman to cause an abortion).

[multigraincracker]

24. Throw in the test for

an unfaithful wife.

[mn9driver]

21. Yes, it's a quote that the anti choicers use.

They think God is referring to themselves, but in fact God is speaking only to Jeremiah in this passage.

Fucking morons.

[milestogo]

22. I've seen it on billboards in Wisconsin.

But its not an imperative or a law of any kind. Its a poetic statement on God's love for an individual. It takes some major calisthenics to make it about abortion.

[Xavier Breath]

23. Well, it came out of the jawbone of an ass.

Does that count for anything?