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cbabe

(6,255 posts)
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 11:00 AM Aug 2023

'White supremacy is not a mental health issue': Justin Jones scolds GOP after Jacksonville shooting

https://www.rawstory.com/justin-jones-white-supremacy/

'White supremacy is not a mental health issue': Justin Jones scolds GOP after Jacksonville shooting

David Edwards
August 29, 2023, 11:18 AM ET

Tennessee State Rep. Justin Jones (D) this week urged Republicans to take action against white supremacy after a racist gunman killed three Black people in Jacksonville, Florida. Jones spoke about the Jacksonville shooting on Monday as he was honoring the 60th anniversary of the March on Washington.

"Because the truth be told, White supremacy is not a mental health issue," Jones said on the House floor. "It is about terrorism, and the shooting that happened in Jacksonville, Florida, was not quote-unquote racially motivated. It was racial terrorism, and until we acknowledge that fact, until we act on that fact, it will continue to happen."

Jones wondered what it would take to address the "crisis... of white supremacy in this nation. Perhaps the mental health issue is doing nothing when you see tragedy happening," he added. "I'm not going to call for a moment of silence because we've had too much silence in this body. I'm a call for a moment of action. Let's protect these Black lives."

Later in the session, GOP lawmakers voted to silence Jones and two other Democrats who were members of the so-called Tennessee Three.

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'White supremacy is not a mental health issue': Justin Jones scolds GOP after Jacksonville shooting (Original Post) cbabe Aug 2023 OP
Damn, i love this young man! His eloquence is astounding. NNadir Aug 2023 #1
+++ agree. n/t iluvtennis Aug 2023 #4
and frightening to republicans housecat Aug 2023 #8
Right on. byronius Aug 2023 #2
I'm ready to... Chi67 Aug 2023 #3
What sane homegirl Aug 2023 #5
Russia would gladly take them. ChazInAz Aug 2023 #6
But what sane country? housecat Aug 2023 #9
good one Lunabell Aug 2023 #10
Do they deserve to live in a sane country? soldierant Aug 2023 #33
True. Send them to North Korea. housecat Aug 2023 #35
Isn't there an empty island somewhere to stash them? Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #7
Sorry, that won't work. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #34
Greenland, heh! electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #42
Exile is almost certainly unconstitutional as punishment for a crime. TomSlick Aug 2023 #11
Yes, thank you. txwhitedove Aug 2023 #13
You are correct, of course. Chi67 Aug 2023 #26
+10 ... reACTIONary Aug 2023 #29
Yeah, maybe not exile them, but they could leave on their own accord? Wednesdays Aug 2023 #38
Hope springs eternal. TomSlick Aug 2023 #46
No, organized bigotry is a sociological disease and it's rampant in the US Warpy Aug 2023 #12
White supremcy has never been dormant in this country. This country was built on it, and it WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2023 #14
In one way, you bet. Warpy Aug 2023 #17
White supremacy hasn't been genocidal until Trump? WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2023 #18
I think you're talking mostly about white suburbanites leftstreet Aug 2023 #20
Domestic terrorist. Nazis. I hate Nazis. So did my Dad and all his vet brothers who fought them. n Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #15
My Dad too. housecat Aug 2023 #22
Millions of Dads. GOP acts as if their efforts are irrelevent today. Pisses me RTFO. Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #28
We need to stop making excuses for the people who murder Americans IronLionZion Aug 2023 #16
How do DUers on this post explain the premeditated Rhoden murders - 8 shot dead in 3 homes - Backseat Driver Aug 2023 #31
Kind of a straw man argument, don't you think? PatrickforB Aug 2023 #36
They were charged, tried, and found guilty of 8 counts of murder, felony conspiracy, and more IronLionZion Aug 2023 #39
Strange question. How do YOU explain it, and what's your point? William Seger Aug 2023 #40
How do DUers on this post explain the premeditated Rhoden murders - 8 shot dead in 3 homes - Backseat Driver Aug 2023 #32
White supremacy, white nationalism, and religious nationalism all need to be addressed. Initech Aug 2023 #19
votes! housecat Aug 2023 #23
According to the Mental Health America Organization it is. miyazaki Aug 2023 #21
Lots of things used to be listed as a mental illness until cbabe Aug 2023 #44
I've said this many times here and in life. Being an asshole is not a mental illness AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #24
I hope Rep Justin Jones stays safe kimbutgar Aug 2023 #25
Agreed Chi67 Aug 2023 #27
It's a mental health issue if... Pacifist Patriot Aug 2023 #30
"Not guilty by reason of I was unconscious in the head at the time" struggle4progress Aug 2023 #37
He is correct malaise Aug 2023 #41
Maybe not, but more like a moral illness. electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #43
Kickin' for TRUTH Faux pas Aug 2023 #45
There was a mass shooting of gay people too treestar Aug 2023 #47

Chi67

(1,274 posts)
3. I'm ready to...
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 11:46 AM
Aug 2023

…call for the deportation of nazis, racists, misogynists and homophobes. Anybody else had enough?

ChazInAz

(2,994 posts)
6. Russia would gladly take them.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:06 PM
Aug 2023

They have work for them that is right up their line...on the front line.

soldierant

(9,290 posts)
33. Do they deserve to live in a sane country?
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 06:50 PM
Aug 2023

Do they even want to live in a sane country? They are doing their best to make this one irretrievably insane.

Lonestarblue

(13,252 posts)
7. Isn't there an empty island somewhere to stash them?
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:08 PM
Aug 2023

I think Jeffrey Epstein’s island is empty. Or maybe there’s an island that will be swamped in a year of so because of climate warming. We could give them a year figure out a way to get off the island.

ShazzieB

(22,240 posts)
34. Sorry, that won't work.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 08:03 PM
Aug 2023

There are way too many of them to fit on one tiny island. They'd need an island the size of Texas, and even then it would be crowded.

TomSlick

(12,885 posts)
11. Exile is almost certainly unconstitutional as punishment for a crime.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:47 PM
Aug 2023
Trop v. Dulles, 356 U.S. 86 (1958).

Exile for evil thoughts would also be unconstitutional and a bad precedent. There are many in the current US House majority who think any DUer's thoughts are worthy of exile.

Chi67

(1,274 posts)
26. You are correct, of course.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:44 PM
Aug 2023

But I'm tired of these people hurting people. And that is EXACTLY what they're doing.

reACTIONary

(6,992 posts)
29. +10 ...
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:54 PM
Aug 2023

.... You are right. I think that those who are calling for it should be taken seriously, but not literally.

Wednesdays

(21,656 posts)
38. Yeah, maybe not exile them, but they could leave on their own accord?
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 09:19 PM
Aug 2023

We can dream, can't we?

TomSlick

(12,885 posts)
46. Hope springs eternal.
Wed Aug 30, 2023, 12:41 PM
Aug 2023

However, these folks live to "own the libs." They aren't going anywhere.

Warpy

(114,414 posts)
12. No, organized bigotry is a sociological disease and it's rampant in the US
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 01:20 PM
Aug 2023

as TFG emboldened every Klanner and other Christian nutjob out there by letting them it was OK to hate Blacks, Jews, Asians Hispanics, and anyone else who didn't balong on that WASP branch of the American people's tree.

I think that is what makes me the angriest at TFG and his bunch, that they were so successful at reviving a disease which had lain dormant enough for us to elect our first president with African heritage to two terms, recreating the rotten days of my own youth along with others my age who weren't WASP.

Much of his administration (if not the man, himself) will end up in prison over their almost laughably incompetent coup attempt, but the real damage they did is elsewhere.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,454 posts)
14. White supremcy has never been dormant in this country. This country was built on it, and it
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 01:27 PM
Aug 2023

permeates all of our institutions.

Warpy

(114,414 posts)
17. In one way, you bet.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 02:13 PM
Aug 2023

It hadn't been genocidal until TFG's gang ramped up the hate and gave them permission to do their worst.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,454 posts)
18. White supremacy hasn't been genocidal until Trump?
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 02:20 PM
Aug 2023

There are quite a few Natives, Black people, immigrants, disabled, and other marginalized people over the years who would strongly disagree. White supremacy *is* genocide.

leftstreet

(38,976 posts)
20. I think you're talking mostly about white suburbanites
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 02:28 PM
Aug 2023

Trump gave them the courage to post racially insensitive remarks on Facebook - which they probably wouldn't have done 5 years before.

Years of evolving government, employment policies and cultural sensitivity to race and gender left them feeling it was "politically incorrect" to say what they were really thinking all along. But yeah, he did drop the dog-whistling


Evolve Dammit

(21,528 posts)
15. Domestic terrorist. Nazis. I hate Nazis. So did my Dad and all his vet brothers who fought them. n
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 01:27 PM
Aug 2023

IronLionZion

(50,848 posts)
16. We need to stop making excuses for the people who murder Americans
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 01:50 PM
Aug 2023

Mass shootings happen all over our country in any type of location. Yet we can't seem to admit that Americans are being terrorized in our own communities simply for existing. The mental illness excuse needs to stop. Mass murderers are not the victims here.

People are so desperate to avoid treating white people like brown people after 9/11. Why? Were brown Americans treated badly or something?

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
31. How do DUers on this post explain the premeditated Rhoden murders - 8 shot dead in 3 homes -
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 06:29 PM
Aug 2023

all white family members, men and women, in Pike County? Motive - custody of an out-of-wedlock 2 year old white daughter by dear daddy...Deadly misogyny?

PatrickforB

(15,353 posts)
36. Kind of a straw man argument, don't you think?
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 09:06 PM
Aug 2023

I mean, we are talking about the cancer on the world that is white supremacy. You seem to be conflating white supremacist domestic terrorism with a mass murder over the custody of a child. While the tragedy of the Rhoden murders is horrible, we are on this thread talking about white supremacy and acts of racially motivated terrorism including mass shootings and other hate crimes.

It really is not the same thing.

IronLionZion

(50,848 posts)
39. They were charged, tried, and found guilty of 8 counts of murder, felony conspiracy, and more
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 11:39 PM
Aug 2023

no mental illness excuses for white on white murder in that case.

But the main issue is whites don't want to be treated like brown Americans after 9/11. Because you know it's bad. You don't want it for you.

William Seger

(12,233 posts)
40. Strange question. How do YOU explain it, and what's your point?
Wed Aug 30, 2023, 07:27 AM
Aug 2023

No offense, but I don't see enough similarity between the two cases to make any comparison at all.

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
32. How do DUers on this post explain the premeditated Rhoden murders - 8 shot dead in 3 homes -
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 06:46 PM
Aug 2023

all white family members, men and women, in Pike County? Motive - custody of an out-of-wedlock 2 year old white daughter by dear daddy...Deadly misogyny?

Initech

(107,584 posts)
19. White supremacy, white nationalism, and religious nationalism all need to be addressed.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 02:20 PM
Aug 2023

These are some extremely dangerous ideologies. But what's it going to take to stop them?

miyazaki

(2,598 posts)
21. According to the Mental Health America Organization it is.
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 03:44 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

But what the hell do they know.

cbabe

(6,255 posts)
44. Lots of things used to be listed as a mental illness until
Wed Aug 30, 2023, 09:23 AM
Aug 2023

we wised up.

I would suggest less focus on the ‘mental illness’ statement which is him calling out the media much like mocking the standard ‘thoughts and prayers’, and ironically a media generated headline, and more focus on his ‘terrorism’ statement.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,734 posts)
24. I've said this many times here and in life. Being an asshole is not a mental illness
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:35 PM
Aug 2023

Those of us with mental illness are tired of these assholes being lumped in with us. It's already bad enough with the social stigma of being considered insane, crazy, unstable, unbalanced, or "just loving drama."

kimbutgar

(26,898 posts)
25. I hope Rep Justin Jones stays safe
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:37 PM
Aug 2023

He is our future and I want him to be around for a long time.

Chi67

(1,274 posts)
27. Agreed
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:47 PM
Aug 2023

We need more like him. And I do not understand how it is legal for the legislature to continue to silence the Tennessee Three. It can't possibly be constitutional.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,195 posts)
30. It's a mental health issue if...
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 06:26 PM
Aug 2023

being a hateful asshole ever makes the DSM.

I have my doubts.

Shame on those racist cucks who voted to silence truth.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. There was a mass shooting of gay people too
Wed Aug 30, 2023, 03:40 PM
Aug 2023

so that is due to the homophobia of this country? There was also a shooting aimed a Jewish people.

The relation here is more to mass shootings. They have many motives. I know people want this to be terrorism, but if there is not an organization behind it, it's not.

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