I'll take "most vile, despicable piece of human garbage alive" for $500, Alex

[Hiawatha Pete]

It boggles the mind when you think of it...

Musk could have used his 46 billion in pocket change to help fight world hunger.

He could have used his 46 billion to lobby for universal health care, women's health care, voting rights ... the list goes on

Instead he used it to buy a social media company to ensure nazis & fascists have a megaphone.

Musk could have used his billions in government largess (Starlink, Space X subsidies) to help the people of Ukraine in their fight against an invading genocidal aggressor.

Instead he chose to help the enemy:

"Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships: Report"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/musk-secretly-used-starlink-to-foil-ukrainian-drone-attack-on-russian-ships-report

If Musk isn't the most miserable excuse for a human being currently alive, he's certainly a contender.

[Beakybird]

1. Hear! Hear!

[Hiawatha Pete]

3. +1 n/t

[Roy Rolling]

45. Competition

If billionaires want to financially compete with government, the government must raise taxes on billionaires to fund the defense of liberal democracy.

It’s business.

[getagrip_already]

2. He's a frustrated apartheidist.....

And let's face it, $46b is like 1 years income from tesla alone.

So it really is just a plaything for him. A way to address grievances he couldn't get heard before.

[Hiawatha Pete]

5. 'X' may be just a plaything for him. As for his actions WRT the starlink debacle? Well there's this:

ArtIII.S3.C1.4 Aid and Comfort to the Enemy as Treason
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-4/ALDE_00013527/

[getagrip_already]

18. Well, treason aside, he could definitely be looked at for

Being an agent of a foreign government, transferring restricted technology secrets (just discussing starling with pottie could get him years in jail), Logan act violations, all kinds of laws he could have tripped over.

You just can't do shit like that for a h po stile military power without breaking laws that have been layer down over almost a century to stop it.

[Sky Jewels]

29. He is a Russian tool and X is part of his pact with Putin.

I'm actually surprised the motherfucker didn't rename it "Z."

[orangecrush]

47. +1

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. Yeah, I never forget he's from South Africa

And benefited from generational wealth.

[Jilly_in_VA]

41. Revoke his citizenship

and send him back. If they don't want him the can figure out what to do with him.

[2naSalit]

4. Much more than a mere megaphone...

Assistance to the aggressor in an unjust* war.

*if there is such a thing as a just war. Maybe I should've said invasion instead.

[Hiawatha Pete]

6. +1

ArtIII.S3.C1.4 Aid and Comfort to the Enemy as Treason
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-4/ALDE_00013527/

[2naSalit]

11. Yup...

One and the same.

[Celerity]

23. "enemies," for example, must be countries against which Congress has formally declared war or

otherwise authorized the use of force. (So contemporary Russia is out, whatever role it may have played in the 2016 election.) Even during the height of the Cold War, when Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were tried, convicted and executed for conveying nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, the charge against them was espionage, not treason.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/americans-have-forgotten-what-treason-actually-means-how-it-can-ncna848651

that is in regards to




Treason would not apply as there is neither a Congressional declaration of war against Russia, nor has Congress passed an AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) against Russia.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. The professor provides history for all but one assertion

In this context “enemies,” for example, must be countries against which Congress has formally declared war or otherwise authorized the use of force.

I've seen that assertion many times before, but have yet to see where it is codified.

[cab67]

38. Based on this -

treason would happen in the context of war.

There are lots of countries we view as antagonists, but without direct military action, we're not at war with them.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

[Hermit-The-Prog]

53. That says nothing about war except for §2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war

Show me where a charge of treason, or the definition of "enemy", is dependent upon a declared war.

[usonian]

7. He's a "perfect" James Bond villain!

Not only that, but a petty thief (albeit of very large amounts of money).

Musk stiffed Twitter vendors and dared them to sue—dozens did just that
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/09/musks-unpaid-bills-dozens-of-lawsuits-try-to-force-twitter-aka-x-to-pay-up/

"Led by Musk and the cadres of sycophants who were internally referred to as the 'transition team,' Twitter's new leadership deliberately, specifically, and repeatedly announced their intentions to breach contracts, violate laws, and otherwise ignore their legal obligations," claimed the lawsuit filed in May 2023 by six former employees.

"Elon doesn't pay rent," one member of Musk's transition team allegedly told Tracy Hawkins, one of the plaintiffs in the severance case. Another member of the transition team allegedly told ex-employee and plaintiff Joseph Killian that "Elon told me he would only pay rent over his dead body."

The article contains a VERRRRRRRRRY long list of lawsuits.
Meanwhile, ad revenue is down (and it’s not the fault of the ADL; it’s his nazification of the site) and he pays RW scum to post there.

[Hiawatha Pete]

9. Thanks for the link!

[roamer65]

49. Elon Stavro Blofeld.

I’m just waiting for the laser satellite.

[Demovictory9]

55. Like trump

[GoCubsGo]

8. Which begs the question:

How the fuck did he know what Ukraine was up to, that he could foil their military actions? What's that motherfucker doing? Spying on them directly? It sure looks that way. Thank goodness Ukraine now has a contract to use Sweden's satellites, so he can't spy on them on Putin's behalf.

[Hiawatha Pete]

10. +1000 nt

[2naSalit]

12. Which is why...

the platform and his liberty should be taken from him ASAP.

[LudwigPastorius]

13. As a naturalized U.S. citizen,...

he could potentially be denaturalized and deported.

USCIS needs to thoroughly investigate Musk's application to see if there are any grounds to send his ass packing.

[rubbersole]

14. "most miserable excuse for a human being"...

..that would be a very tough call. Musk is definitely up near the top, but I still think he's looking up at putin's ass crack.

[NNadir]

15. For a long time here, he was seen as a heroic figure for his stupid car.

It was easy for me to not see him as such, because after some consideration, I recognized that electric cars are in no way sustainable.

He rose through Apartheid, of which his family is a beneficiary. He has the typical mentality of "born extremely rich" types of whom I have had the opportunity to know. The most prominent of these is to unabashedly attach other people's work to himself as if it was his own work.

[getagrip_already]

19. He didn't invent that car....

Two other guys did. He bought the company and forced them out.

Now he fires anyone who says he isn't the smartest engineer there.

[NNadir]

20. I know. That's my point. This said, the car is not and never was...

...sustainable.

[PortTack]

36. He has a degree in physics and is not an engineer.

He claims he is, but there’s no document to back that up

[Shipwack]

63. I'm curious about what you said in passing...

“… electric cars are in no way sustainable.”

While I think the Tesla itself is overrated, what makes you think that electric vehicles in general are unsustainable?

Is it the lithium-ion battery? I agree there are possible near term issues with lithium, but there are alternatives to it that are already in production. What other issues do you see?

If fossil fuel vehicles are unsustainable*, and electric vehicles are unsustainable, what do you propose to take their place? Or do you think that personal culture needs to be revamped? Changing that last one would be extremely difficult, barring a nationwide cataclysmic event that would require rebuilding our cities and infrastructure.

*I know you didn’t say this, but I think it’s a common perception among people who ponder such things. Please forgive me if I’m putting unwanted words in your mouth.

[quakerboy]

16. At what point does his playing with military efforts

become a security risk that means we have to nationalize starlink at the least?

Hes rich and playing with x and autos and saying terrible things. Fine. rich people do that. regular folk do that on a much smaller scale. Whatever.

But interfering with military actions around the world.. seems over a line to me.

[Duppers]

25. Exactly. Opposing a country where he maintains citizenship is called?

His actions have opposed military efforts of his adopted country. That smells of treason to me.
We have citizens locked up for less than Eloon has done.

Am I missing something here?

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

59. I'd rather outlaw outrageously wealthy people

however, there would be NO INTERNET AT ALL if it weren't for SpaceX over there, and the primary purpose was for private, governmental agencies to operate - not offensive military operations.

ie, NO MILITARY EFFORTS WITHOUT MUSK

That said, SpaceX was compensated by the DoD for the costs, so there should be an investigation if there were truly interference.

[quakerboy]

66. I think we all know thats not happening.

Ther are far too many wealthy people in congress, and more funding our various elected officials, for that to ever be allowed to become a serious risk.



Would there be spaceX without US government funding?

Is spaceX as a private concern immune to being taken over if their actions threaten to harm national security?

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

68. Very good questions...

basically, the only reason SpaceX is as successful as they are is because they took NASA tech without worrying about safety.

I mean, like simple, basic, proven safety measures like the launch pad

Pure engineering...

[SpamWyzer]

17. Ego Muck

has a face that says it all; imperious, arrogant, narcissistic, opportunistic, dismissive and scared. Everything he does is to prove to someone (himself) that he is worth the skin he is in. He isn't. May he suffer an extreme disintegration event at some point.

[Joinfortmill]

21. Yeah, and I do so hope his day in the barrel is coming.

[Duppers]

22. Treason!

Musk became a US citizen in 2002, according to the BBC and Wikipedia.

He was therefore aiding and abetting an enemy, Russia.

[progressoid]

32. We aren't officially at war with Russia.

[Duppers]

56. Pt. ☝️

[Duppers]

57. Yes, not officially treason.

Do you remember Reality Winner? She was just trying to expose espionage; her reward: 5yrs in federal prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner

Eloon has hurt U.S. efforts in Ukraine, has he not?

[progressoid]

65. I'm all for putting him in handcuffs...

But what would be the actual charge? What law has he broken?

Other than equipment and financial aid, we don't officially have any "efforts in Ukraine."

[Takket]

26. Maybe having private citizens running satellite systems

Integral to international war efforts is not a good thing.

[Wild blueberry]

37. Bingo!

Thank you.

[GopherGal]

27. I think there's one obvious rival for the "most vile..." title

Circumstance may have given one of them more opportunity to do harm (or, conversely and unfortunately only theoretically, good), but they both seem quite completely and thoroughly vile.

They are two arguably personality-disordered sons of privilege whose inherited privilege has allowed them to avoid consequences and rise to positions of power.

[Sky Jewels]

28. Something needs to be done about him.

He has way too much power for an un-elected person. I don't know who or what can rein him in, but if it's possible, it needs to be done, ASAP.

[NoMoreRepugs]

30. A private citizen interfering with an American ally fighting

our #1enemy to the detriment of the US sounds like he needs to answer for his actions.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

61. The only reason there is any internet communications at all

is because he chose to take a DoD contract. Where would the Ukraine be without any comms? Nowhere...

I personally don't like him at all, but let's stick to reality

[NoMoreRepugs]

62. Exactly. Musk shouldn't be able to determine military strategy for a foreign power.

Especially one the United States sides with. To me that’s reality.

[FeelingBlue]

31. Clearly,

Musk is an enemy of the United Stayes and Western Europe. He should be dealt with as such.

[PortTack]

34. ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[3Hotdogs]

33. I vote for Anal Fistula. A.k.A. former resident of the White House.

[jmowreader]

39. I wouldn't honor him with the top prize

As long as Donald Trump is still wasting air there's no way he could be.

Given that, he's definitely in the top three.

[mwooldri]

40. Maybe time to nationalize Starlink?

Or the whole X org?

[Warpy]

42. Be fair, he didn't just pull that money out of his ass

He's got people with deep pockets who put the money up so he didn't have to pay through the nose for such a crap platform.

He would tell you that his money is all tied up in his companies, anyway.

However, we all know he is never likely to miss a meal unless he's so busy he forgets to eat and I don't mean 100% busy with work.

I don't know why he shut Starlink off, his explanation is silly beyond belief. I think there must be a side piece out there working for Putin. Nothing else can explain a lot of his recent actions. Since he thinks he can shut off services people have paid for just because perhaps it's time to deprive him of a few lucrative defense contracts for that service. It's unreliable because he's unreliable. A swift kick to the wallet might just wake him up a little.

[hermetic]

43. I think his name was originally

Muskovite, but he changed it because that would have been just too obvious.

[Hassler]

44. Deport Leon Skum

[AllaN01Bear]

46. he bought it for trump and took down the safeguards so dumpster fire could

spew his lies . both

[byronius]

48. He'll end badly.

And I'll feel good about it.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. Amen

[SouthernDem4ever]

51. Like I heard one of the MSNBC guests say tonight...

Musk is no patriot.

[keithbvadu2]

52. 'the enemy'... Russia is not necessarily HIS enemy.

[DemocraticPatriot]

54. Contenders for "most miserable excuse for a human being currently alive"

The current list is far far too long,
but very heavily weighted towards the far-right wing of the political spectrum....


Also, far too many of them currently hold a public office....


Could Musk fancy himself a contender for the 2028 Republican presidential nomination ???

He maybe clicks all the right boxes:

1. Rich
2. Obnoxious
3. Criminal
4. Traitor to our country
5. pro-fascist

In my humble opinion, that would make him a front-runner...

I am very sorry to bring up that ugly vision, but there it is.

[Elessar Zappa]

64. He can't run for president.

He was born a non-citizen. He’s from South Africa.

[DemocraticPatriot]

67. Ah, I forgot.

Thank goodness for small blessings...

[pansypoo53219]

58. on the media(NPR) had a really good show on his devolution.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

60. Or he could've passed

and not put Starlink in place at the last minute, and NO ONE in the Ukraine would have internet for any reason (including hospitals, private citizens, government, etc) and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.