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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's the problem with Kamala Harris?
If she is good enough to be Vice-President, she is good enough to be the President, in my opinion.
She has been the victim of vicious attacks from the other side, mostly from the racists and misogynists. They cannot bear the thought of a woman so close to the Presidency, especially a black woman.
From what I have seen and read lately, she has created excitement and passion wherever she has spoken. Women and younger voters are very receptive to her.
If, for some unforeseen reason, Joe Biden is forced to withdraw from the race in '24, she is more than prepared to carry the mantle. She has gained invaluable experience during these very trying times.
In my opinion, we should feel more comfortable with Joe Biden running at the head of the ticket, knowing that Kamala Harris is standing ready to do the job if she is needed.
We should ask, what Republican could do a better job?
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CharleyDog
(811 posts)If some old white dude jumps in front of her, I will be pissed.
(women are not some gimmick to get votes, when the real power comes they must not be shoved aside)
WhiteTara
(31,193 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)It will be up to the Democratic primary voters to chose who they want in the nomination. Either one would be awesome.
calimary
(89,041 posts)And they're both not too old. Both of 'em have a lot of years ahead of them, to make a difference for us all.
Demsrule86
(71,492 posts)alongside Joe Biden...who is a strong union guy. I think she can win. I really don't think Governors have enough national exposure...foreign affairs. Newsome should run for the Senate first.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)We need to look at THE person who is most electable,..... regardless of Gender, race, creed, color, or religion........... PERIOD.
It boils down to the old adage: Lose the battle, win the war.
Just as in the 2020 election, as Dems we have our backs to the wall. This Is It, just as with the 2020 elections.
The presidency, U.S. Senators, U.S. House Members, and Governors of the states........There will never be an election as important as this one........................We need ELECTABLE candidates at EACH and EVERY level this time around........
LaMouffette
(2,575 posts)We Dems liked her, but a vast number of independents and Republicans did not like her.
Same with Kamala. She would be an amazing president, but people on the other side do not like her, and sadly, we must have a candidate that the Republicans and independents begrudgingly like. I know, it sucks that WE have to put forth a superhero candidate, while they can put forth—vomit forth, I should say—a Donald Trump. But I think that's the reality.
We need someone who is not only experienced, honorable, and intelligent, but someone who is lovable. We need our own Zelenskyy.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)afraid of the impending character assassination that past candidates have faced from the ruthless, guerrilla warfare of the Republicans....Gore, Kerry, Hillary, etc........
I personally feel that Hillary would have been the perfect President, far more experienced and knowledgeable than ANY Republican Or other Dem candidate. Even more qualified than anyone in past history....... But ever since Bill, the Republicans have demonized her with an un-limited, un-fathomable amount of lies, defamation, false accusations, etc etc etc that it clouded the independents and even a segment of the Dems.......The Repubs knew early on that she was a force to be reckoned in the future and started in to destroy her, the minute Bill got elected.
Add in the covert work of Putin due to him knowing his worst nightmare would be Hillary, and the Comey? email bullshit as their "October Surprise" and she was doomed.........
My personal thinking is that we need to go with Biden, and a really strong white male candidate as his VP running mate.
We are going for broke folks, and we need the team that is most ELECTABLE, ALL the other political BS aside........
My personal opinion is that several other Dems in the 2016-2020 election didn't help.....ie Bernie? and AOC? and others? kept going long after they should have thrown their total support behind Hillary and Biden. It is not as if they didn't have something to say, and that those things weren't important, but it detracted from us getting behind a single electable candidate.....
wnylib
(25,355 posts)Women will be angry enough that some will sit it out, despite the Dobbs decision. Women past childbearing years will fall away from us.
We CANNOT win without the enthusiasm of POC to turn out to vote. They are an integral part of our party and of government.
If, for any reason, Biden can't run when the campaign season starts in 2024, then Kamala should be at the head of the ticket and should choose a running mate that balances out the ticket.
vanlassie
(6,219 posts)
LaMouffette
(2,575 posts)beloved, by myself and by most likely, almost all Dems. I feel horrible that my post made it seem like I thought she wasn't lovable! Yikes! Sorry, VP Harris. You are loved by people with a brain who admire and respect strong women. It's the brainless misogynists I'm worried about.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)They tend to be MAGAs.
Bakerboy17
(19 posts)There is nothing wrong with Harris! She is doing a great job, and this old white man would be VERY unhappy if she is replaced on the ticket. Not sure if I'd vote if she isn't there.
If Biden wants her, she has my vote. It is the right thing to do and all this BS about her is only hurting the effort to keep Trump and his ilk out of the White House. Getting her off the ticket because she happens to be a woman or a person of color is repugnant. Its what the other guys would do, not the Dems. Come on. it is exactly what we say we are supposed to be against. Hypocritical much?
wnylib
(25,355 posts)We are not going to get Republican votes, except for the few who are fed up with MAGA corruption and attack on democracy.
Regarding electability, if you replace Kamala with a White male, it will dampen the enthusiasm of women and POC about turning out to vote. We need them to win. There are more of us than there are of Republicans. So we need to focus on getting all of us out to vote. That was Obama's strategy and it worked.
Regarding Hillary, the RW machine had been vilifying her for decades and yet Trump still needed outside help from Russia and from Comey to win.
homegirl
(1,926 posts)after Trump in the GOP debate are both persons of color and one is also a woman!
What a quandary for the GOP!!!
Or, will Christie or Hutchinson be the sacrificial lamb?
"Donald is toast" --Bill Barr
wnylib
(25,355 posts)is not electable? She would have the youth vote and the vote of most POC, as well as of White Dems and of people who want to vote against Trump.
PatrickforB
(15,345 posts)4 million a year. And they will, because they are pissed about losing abortion access, the lack of gun control, they want aggressive policies (like what Biden is doing now) to reduce carbon emissions. Affordable debt-free college, student loan forgiveness, etc.
The Republicans are campaigning on a national abortion ban, guns, drill baby drill. They will be pasted in '24. It's a dying party.
And look what Harris has been doing - visiting all the college campuses. Good strategy. Sure, the old white guys in the GOP along with their hate-talk radio and Fox will denigrate her. But the kids will vote. I will vote. My extended family will vote.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)people on this thread are suggesting that she is not electable.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)I don't get it either. It takes a great deal of time and effort to persuade people to see a bad unlikeable unelectable fictional version of Democratic women candidates instead of the real person. Harris is full of energy, charisma, intelligence if people would see her as she is and not what they're told she is.
Biden won by 44,000 votes in 4 states, yet he was more electable than Hillary or Harris? Don't get it.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)Trump had no governing experience and was a disaster. Biden has several years of experience which is what we need to fix the Trump mess. Biden was acceptable to Whites as an experienced liberal, not too far left for mainstream voters, but liberal enough economically to appeal to middle and working classes. He is socially liberal and POC respected him for serving as VP to our first Black president. He promised to name a female running mate, which appealed to women in the primaries. His choice of Kamala sewed it up.
Biden did not have the decades of demonization to deal with that Hillary had. He had more national experience and recognition than Kamala. I liked Elizabeth Warren initially (still do like her). She had already spoken up often to Trump. She's an expert on economics. People warmed up to her in her campaign. But, she does not have the widespread, across the board experience of Biden in the numerous areas of governing a nation that Biden has.
Kamala has grown in experience in both domestic and international issues as VP. She is intelligent and personable. She inspires young people. She is capable of the organization and speaking skills necessary in a president. She knows the workings of government from her experience as Senator and as VP. As an attorney, she developed strategizing skills. She comes across as personable and warm in public appearances. If she were a presidential candidate, all she needs is a good running mate whose skills, personality, and experience complement hers.
So she is ready and able to run again as VP and to be president IF it became necessary, but Biden is still healthy in body and mind, so I'm not worried about him.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...a lot of leftwing voters believed Hillary had that election in the bag, was going to win strongly even without their individual vote, and voted third party only to make a point, but NOT to vote against Hillary.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...elections are, I really do believe we should be willing to face truthes when we work toward winning the next ones.
It does feel good to have a simplified reason and a clear enemy when things don't go our way (the repub party banks on tricking their voters into that false hatred thing), but I believe we would be more successful if we looked honestly at what actually went wrong and correct it.
Ray Bruns
(5,985 posts)I think you have that backwards. It’s win the battle, but lost the war.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Add to that the fact she is brilliant and successful in her own right. AND she’s a woman.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)Michelle Obama would have great numbers.
jrthin
(5,215 posts)The republican party is a party of bigots.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)You need ENERGIZED and ENTHUSIASTIC Democrats and Independents.
kentuck
(115,116 posts)...from what I have seen and heard.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)And I don't think we can blame racist Republicans for that.
There are reason, but going in to them is not productive or really allowed around here and aren't really all that important. She'll do well if called to step up.
Nasruddin
(1,178 posts)The mystery of what voters - primary voters - like & don't like is her obstacle.
She lacks "it", whatever "it" was, for 2020. Just didn't catch fire.
Her day may come. The same could be said for Joe Biden couldn't it - think back 30 or so years.
If I were her, tho, I'd want a different job than vice president going forward.
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Steven Maurer
(510 posts)That's why she didn't do well in the Democratic primary.
So yes, in a way we can blame racist Republicans for that.
The problem is, calling the problem out doesn't fix the racism problem. Too many voters who know they're being screwed by the GOP simply refuse to vote for anyone non-white or non-male.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)Who I personally don't believe exist in any numbers sufficient to effect elections.
Oddly enough, Kamala Harris might agree, she did basically call President Biden a racist, which might have been part of her problem in the primaries as we can all see what a load of BS that was.
Steven Maurer
(510 posts)Independents are not, as many think, people who don't know anything or can't make up their mind.
They're cross-pressured extremists.
Bigots who know the GOP screws them.
So every election they have to choose between their hate and their pocketbook.
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(930 posts)problem. I have had knuckle dragging, mouth-breathing bigotted idiots actually tell me on a couple of platforms everything from, "there'll NEVER be another n****r president " to "when trump gets back into the White House, we'll finish the job hitler started & this time n*****rs, Sand n****rs, sl**nt eyes, j*ps, g**ks, Buffalo n****rs, ad nauseum "will be taken care of" & the Libs wiberals won't help you because they're afraid of guns...they're treehuggers & won't fight",(Yeah, I know this makes as much sense as a mud window! We just use them responsibly & don't constantly talk about what we have & sling them around) to "NO woman will EVAH be in the Oval Office". These racist, misogynistic, ignorant, deluded, confused but most overweight, balding "men" who have NEVER had longterm relationships with anyone female, except their moms, sisters, mom's & Sister's female friends and POSSIBLY including other female family members & the mother's & the immediate female family members. (they're SINGLE ladies!)
PS: They can't keep a job, have NEVER served in the Military...FFS have never even served dinner, gnerally both their hygeine & diet is IFFY at best & critical thinking is something foreign to them.
1 last thing, "Mommy & Big Mama" is STILL taking of the, right to washing their tighty-whities"!
flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,190 posts)reconsider frequenting those platforms. That filthy language is disgusting, and I'm sorry I read it.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)Because it has me confused lol
What you wrote has NOTHING to do with what I wrote.
peppertree
(23,132 posts)i.e. that she's not bashful and insecure - the way they think all women should be.
Especially women of color.
They're counting on that as her "Hillary factor" - and they're counting on that making her unelectable, at least to the presidency.
slightlv
(7,438 posts)despite her being of mixed heritages, I have no idea WHAT religious path she chose for herself! THAT'S the way it should be when you're in the government... especially this high up.
What I don't like is how hidden she has been through most of the administration. Hopefully the stories today on DU point to Biden making more and better use of her talents.
I agree with those who say POC and women are the heart of the Democrats and would fall away if she were left out of the running... or (horribly) replaced. If she left of her own accord for good reason, we'd have to understand and empathize. But I sure as heck don't see her doing that.
The days of 2 old white guys running as P and VP are over with. Face it, those were our parents and (most of) our generation. It didn't help us. It hurt us, and now that we're in our cups, we're paying the price. Let the young lead the way from now on. It's their world to inherit and I figure they'll hopefully do a better job of respecting the Mother than we did.
LisaM
(29,496 posts)He did, however, get a lot of work done during his tenure, much of which helped him gain the experience he has now. I think they are using the same playbook.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)But I'm not sure WHY she doesn't do better in polling...
I don't think it's race or gender as Michelle Obama would probably be 60% approval/support
EDIT: Her last YouGov result was 56%
Salviati
(6,057 posts)There are a lot of folks out there who's favorite female candidate is the one who's not running.
Hillary Clinton's approval numbers were great before she started running for president.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)approval ratings.
Elizabeth Warren went from progressive hero that many said they'd love to vote for, until she actually ran. Immediately after Kamala Harris announced her candidacy a long list of hit pieces all ready to go was posted on Reddit, trolls were excited, what fun having to spend time debunking that crap... No one can escape it.
Bettie
(19,287 posts)they are "shrill" or "too emotional" or a whole bunch of other things that boil down to "not a white man".
Wounded Bear
(63,851 posts)
KS Toronado
(23,060 posts)they should be home bare foot & pregnant cooking & cleaning. And Heaven forbid if a woman of color thinks
she can govern, she needs to be out in the fields picking produce and leave all the THINKING to white men.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)But her national numbers and primary results with Democrats isn't stellar.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)The right is upset at her skin color, and the far left was all-in on "Kamala's a cop" during the primaries.
bullimiami
(14,072 posts)Michelle Obama is out of their focus now and has t been subjected to the attacks
McKim
(2,426 posts)Yes, the drumbeat of negativity around Harris is a campaign by The Right to destroy her standing. It is usually a vague message like: Presentation is weak, poor speaking skills, too Left, and on and on. The media just won’t focus on her when she is presiding at an event and doing her job. So yes, it is all because she is a Left Black Woman from a progressive family and from California.
I would be thrilled to have her as our president.
EmmaLee E
(271 posts)To lose the votes of women and POC.
To say we'd be pissed off is an understatement.
randr
(12,617 posts)However, on her own in an open national Presidential campaign I fear the right would eat her alive.
It would be Hillary to the Nth. I would hope we avoid the bloodshed.
kentuck
(115,116 posts)He was stuttering and his eyes crossed.
irisblue
(36,803 posts)I did not really know who she was before that. After that, she was on my list for 2020.
Enjoy the video
raging moderate
(4,603 posts)And I am sure she did it many times! And not only to Kevin McCarthy!
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)"Good enough to be President" is an irrelevant measure.
Many of the Democratic candidates in 2020 were "good enough". But people chose not to support them. Kamala Harris' campaign ended before the first votes were cast.
The bottom line, despite people at her speeches responding with "excitement and passion" is that the number of people who look towards Harris as a future President is less than those who look towards Biden.
kentuck
(115,116 posts)And he seems to be.
Politically, it would make him stronger and more acceptable with his "age" question, in my opinion.
LymphocyteLover
(9,371 posts)DFW
(59,737 posts)The voter coalition that delivered the 2020 numbers must hold.
In the 2019-2020 campaign, I refused to support any Democratic Senator that trashed Al Franken and never apologized for it. This included Sanders, Warren, Booker, Gillibrand and Harris. I stood by that, and I was thrilled to see that our pick for presidential nominee was indeed none of them.
But that was then, and it will necessarily take a back seat to current reality. I still do not forgive Harris for what she did to Al, nor for her refusal to apologize to him or the people of Minnesota. However, as the sitting VP, and obvious heir apparent to Joe Biden “in case,” the necessity of the coalition of voters that she brought to the table in 2020 must be taken into account. Besides, I have to assume that she has grown in the job at Biden’s side, and is far more ready to take over the reins now, should the need arise, than she was two years ago.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)And her approval numbers are very low.
Its not DU members who need convincing, its the Independent & suburban voters who win elections in the swing states. We have a few serious issues that stand in the way of a Biden walk-off win. 2 of them are gas prices & the border. God help you if you mention the other 2.
drmeow
(5,929 posts)and doesn't really talk about what she's doing. Without a regular stream of information, people who respond to polls fall back on their biases - and she's black and a woman.
FLOTUS has always gotten more press than the VP because FLOTUS is part of the presidential package (hostess, spends time with POTUS, etc.). That kept Michelle Obama in the public eye more.
I also think the right attacked Michelle Obama more than they attack Harris (not sure why) - and even bad press can be better than no press.
lostnfound
(17,409 posts)They’d put her on the news everyday.
The standards are all different for women in power. She’s not wearing sexuality on her sleeve like the young Sarah Palin (ugh) and she’s actually more human than she is a stock market obsessed conservative, not a Carly Fiorina.
Mainly she’s not an owned asset of the billionaire boys club like Clarence Thomas.
She’s too warm and empathetic for them to relate to. The only empathy they respect is empathy for white males — either very rich or very angry ones.
Joe is praised for empathy. “Consoled in chief”. She empathizes, but she’s a woman and thus perceived as “too emotional”.
drmeow
(5,929 posts)The media pays more attention to conservatives regardless of gender. The media is essentially a corporation - and like all other corporations it benefits from conservatism more than liberalism. They also benefit from instability and the "horse race." IMO the media likes for the power to shift back and forth frequently as this prevents any sort of liberal progress while still constantly giving them potential "breaking" news.
I consider our current media to be centrist and right wing propaganda. The media labels centrist viewpoints left and leftist viewpoints extremist. The freedom of the press and its democratic role in our country has become a complete and utter failure.
DestinyIsles
(263 posts)that's the problem
roamer65
(37,815 posts)
RobinA
(10,472 posts)that I don't know anything about her. I have no trouble voting for Biden/Harris, because I have a pretty good idea she'd be better than Trump any day. Beyond that? I got nothing. Could I do research? Sure, but "research the VP" is just not high enough on my to-do list to ever get done, which I'm sure is the case with many people. Since she is more of a factor in this race than VPs usually are, they really should be putting her out there.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Mainly the fact that they know she's a bigger threat than they can deal with. Again, Joe Biden knew exactly what he was doing.
relayerbob
(7,366 posts)And you are correct, it's coming from racists and misogynists.
byronius
(7,905 posts)In California, we got to see her up close and personal as the AG for awhile. She was fearless, outspoken, and had a moral compass like no one else in the state.
iluvtennis
(21,470 posts)
SunSeeker
(57,575 posts)
ShazzieB
(22,220 posts)
librechik
(30,955 posts)that is all.
LymphocyteLover
(9,371 posts)
CousinIT
(12,244 posts)That's what.
that one made me laugh.
Zipgun
(231 posts)candidate, I want her to run a primary after Biden's second term. If she can win a competitive primary, I will vote for her. I was NOT wowed by her last campaign, and serious mistakes were made. I was also not completely turned off by her and hope that she continues to develop as a politician. Perhaps she will be our first woman president, or perhaps she will have a different role, but I have no doubt that she can contribute to our country and the Democratic Party.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)maxsolomon
(38,206 posts)I think she'd be a competent, moral, fairly Centrist President. I also think she's attractive.
But there is something in her manner, in her speech, that isn't compelling, but is kind of stiff and awkward. I can't define it exactly.
And yes, I'm quite aware of Biden's shortcomings in that category. But Biden won the Primary; Kamala dropped out early.
BaronChocula
(4,039 posts)There have been successful candidates with peculiarities in their comportment like Nixon and Trump, but of course that shit is compounded when you're a black woman. Pardon my language.
slumcamper
(1,776 posts)maxsolomon
(38,206 posts)but I think whatever it is, it is off-putting.
hamsterjill
(17,042 posts)But her voice comes across as exceedingly whiny to me. Is that petty? You bet and I would vote for her in a heartbeat if she were on the ballot. She’s obviously qualified.
But it’s human to notice things like this, and people do. It doesn’t always have to do with race or gender.
Qutzupalotl
(15,661 posts)Her vocal tone is sort of nasally, and she would benefit from a vocal coach. A lot of voters are swayed by things like that, that have noting to do with policy or looks. Voice hits people on a visceral level, and anything that remotely sounds like talking down, or could be interpreted that way, will turn people off.
Should the worst happen to Joe, I have no doubts about her ability to take over. That might be how we get our first female president, and when people see no major differences, public perception that previously had concerns about a woman in power would likely shift.
But I think our party would benefit from a contested primary after Joe. If it looks like Harris would not win at the top of the ticket, she will have to make a tough decision: to bow to polls or stay and fight.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)It would be ugly. Women don’t have permission to appear emotionally vulnerable. Just as Obama, as a black man, didn’t have permission to appear angry.
tritsofme
(19,797 posts)I think Whitmer would be an incredibly compelling candidate in 2028.
llmart
(17,324 posts)Not that I don't think Kamala is competent and brilliant and likeable, it's just that Gretchen has charisma.
LymphocyteLover
(9,371 posts)reason why she's a problem.
given that she's a black woman, this sort of endless insinuation is really GROSS at best and racist and sexist at worst
slumcamper
(1,776 posts)Agree with the general tenor of this OP.
Lonestarblue
(13,232 posts)a lot from him and, if needed, will be perfectly capable of steeping into the presidency. The media has tried make Harris disappear. They rarely write about her or what she has done, usually covering even major trips with an article that stays online one morning while articles about Trump and Republicans can stay in a prominent position online for days (I’m referring mostly to the Post here).
I suspect she appeals a lot more to younger voters who aren’t afraid of a female president.
soldierant
(9,286 posts)But something is very, very wrong with Americs
It's called misgyny, and even if you don't have it yourself, it has an effect on you.
I say America - but I suspect it is pretty much world wide. There may be a few pocketswhich are, not free of it, but have it sufficiently under control to elect women to their highest office. But that does not mean tha misgyny is non-existentthere.
Shermann
(9,008 posts)The role of president will be filled at all times. It's OK to ask about a candidate's health, but hammering on age too hard starts to flirt with ageism at best. At worst, it is "concern trolling".
Warpy
(114,391 posts)Nobody who grew up in Dixie during a Klan resurgence like I did is problem free, of course, but all of us are works in progress to one extent or another. At least working in surgical units gave me enough peeks inside enough people to be able to tell everybody out there that we're all basically built the same under our very different looking skin and although men and women have radically different plumbing systems and hormonal profiles that alter the effects of many drugs, the rest of us is built nearly the same.
She's ready, she's able, she's almost overqualified. If she's willing to do the job, I'm thrilled to have her on the ticket.
Bigots can just fuck right off.
KentuckyWoman
(7,365 posts)From "Mayor Pete" to "AG Harris" to dozens of others. He put them in key positions to harden them up for international politics and the games Washington plays. They've all been stellar in their roles. Every one of them.
My idea is that there is mentorship involved by making sure the staff under is well experienced.
Our party has more talent in the wings than we could possibly use all at one time at the highest positions. In the meantime our "friends" on the right can only muster incompetents like McCarthy and whacks like MTG, George and Bobo.
I'm not the least concerned about the future of the Democratic Party. If enough Americans will allow themselves to accept they were lied to non stop since Rush first took to the airwaves, and start paying attention to where the results are coming from, then our future is even better.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)who seem to be worried about Joe and Kamala running against Trump and whoever).
Let's not forget an important fact. Joe and Kamala kicked Trump and Pence's ass in 2020.
11 Bravo
(24,279 posts)mcar
(45,675 posts)B. She is a woman of color.
JoseBalow
(9,175 posts)She's got a cop motor... cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. 
betsuni
(28,720 posts)campaign and its allies tried to weaponize Harris' record as San Francisco district attorney and California attorney general ... memes and hashtags referred to Harris as 'Kamala the Cop' or 'Copala Harris.' Criticisms of her record were hyperbolized and spread on Black Twitter and in other online communities without context or rebuttal."
Dan Pffeifer, "Battling the Big Lie"
Why is this still here?
JoseBalow
(9,175 posts)My problem with her is that she's a former Prosecutor, District Attorney, and Attorney General; I don't like cops.
Labeling my opinion as anti-Democratic propaganda seems like anti-democratic propaganda.
Jujitsu? I don't even know you! 
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,598 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)There are only a few years between Biden and Trump, who is not very healthy for his age. If anything should happen to the president, who do you want, some politician picked by Trump who will make the fundies happy and look at him adoringly anytime they are in a pic together, or a smart vigorous woman who knows how to make tough and fair choices.
hunter
(40,380 posts)... a very competent leader, unlike any of the Republican or other non-democratic party leaders.
I may be some kind of socialist and a radical environmentalist but my voting has always been practical.
The first President I actively campaigned for was Jimmy Carter.
Even after the Republican Party is dead and buried I'll probably still be a Democrat.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)I think Biden didn't expect to be subjected to the same hate and disinformation as Obama and Hillary and Kamala Harris.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)…the rest of the country struggles with it as well.
I have watched Hillary Clinton being used as a GOP punching bag since the 1990s. By the time she ran for President in 2016, the contagion into the Dem party was so bad that we at DU ( !!! ) had knock-down drag-out fights and pitched battles over both her fitness for office and whether anyone in the country would vote for her at all because the GOP had made her so toxic. And let it be remembered that she still won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.
I think VP Kamala Harris is qualified and if we do our jobs and GOTV people will indeed vote for her. But WE have to believe in her and not waste time fighting each other. WE have to recognize the toxicity of American misogyny and be upfront about it. As Shirley Chisholm so notably pointed out, of the obstacles she faced in life, misogyny was worse than racism.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)A poker - her brilliantly gifted mind.
Kamala lacks nothing. She's the quintessential candidate - beauty, brains & grit wrapped in one package.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)led their nations to prosperity and greatness.
By disparaging women, we are automatically tossing 50 or so percent of the population into the trash, where many, if not most, of them don't belong. The Sarah Palins of this political orbit are exceptions, not the rule.
Even Nikki Haley has advantages over many of her brethren, and one would be a fool to prefer Trump over her.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)The racists in our midst say those are big problems.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)DFW
(59,737 posts)Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle just as examples. In the USA, you get the package, whether the VP is a good pick (LBJ, Fritz Mondale, Al Gore, Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, e.g.) or not (Agnew, Quayle, e.g.). Nixon and Cheney were able do the job, but one shouldn't have, and the other was pure evil. Just being picked for VP does not automatically qualify anyone to take over the presidency. Does the name Palin still ring a bell?
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Biden was clearly in the lead for the nomination, and most of us were only okay with him running. When he named Kamala, people got really excited. I remember I shouted, and lots of people were enthusiastic.
She has to face racism and the same misogyny Hillary Clinton had to face, and that scares me. But I’m sure she’d be an excellent president.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)and would make an excellent President.
mvd
(65,841 posts)I think she would need better advice for her next campaign, but that should not be an issue. She is the perfect VP for President Biden.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Bettie
(19,287 posts)Remember it is satire...but I think of it every time I read a thread like this.
Smackdown2019
(1,336 posts)12 years ago, perhaps, but today, we have Trumpers.
What does that matter?
They are dangerous and we can not allow a chance to a Trumper win.
Why do I say Chance?
People!
People dont think of righteous choices. They only choose, me, myself and I. With that being said, some have dark values that plaque society. So if they feel a woman of a different race than them is competing with someone who was, therefore, we have a chance.
I feel she would make a good President, but as a Democrat, thats how i should feel. We just have a society of people that vote for me, myself and I.
flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)She gets a raw deal from the Right. They would crap their rompers if Biden dies in office.
Two terms plus of Kamala would turn the country around to the correct direction.
They hate her.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)
bagimin
(1,661 posts)not sure if her age would be a problem. Love Kamala, Gavin, and Sheldon Whitehouse. Just think of it...Whitehouse for the Whitehouse!you can't make this stuff up. Wait what?
Loubee
(173 posts)I mean, besides their normal racism and misogyny, can be seen in the clips of her questioning of Bill Barr during Senate confirmation. You can just picture right wing men crossing their legs nationwide.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Not really sure that people pick running mates based on how well they would do as president, do they? I just figured that runny mates are chosen first and foremost for how they can help them win in the first place?
That said, think, and this is purely Optics - she may have spent a tad too much time early on trying to show her likeable side? She, in reality, was a very serious prosecutor. In hindsight should have been given a couple high profile achievable tasks. It's actually not too late. How about showing what regs trump eliminated and how we got protection back in? My 2¢
gulliver
(13,719 posts)And I don't think she's going to make that mistake. We, as Dems, shouldn't either. There is no race or sex "victim card" Harris or Democrats can play that will do anything but damage the ticket, perhaps disastrously.
Harris needs to appear strong and presidential. She doesn't need to be coddled and defended. She needs to show leadership. I think she knows that. Dems who try to defend her with identity-based cards actually hurt her.
niyad
(129,586 posts)a target.
Polybius
(21,514 posts)Not in a primary, however.
struggle4progress
(125,382 posts)Black. Steee-rike!
Smart. Steee-rike!
Informed. Steee-rike!
Sober. Steee-rike!
&c
Tarc
(10,597 posts)It is something that strikes at the core of their fragile ego.
Add to it that she's black, and they just feel 100x worse.
betsuni
(28,720 posts)AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)But I'd get in trouble. And none of it has to do with her being a woman or a POC. Sadly though I'm unable to.
I hope she runs in 2028. I'd be elated & phone bank for her.
Polybius
(21,514 posts)I doubt she'll beat Newsom, however.
andym
(6,052 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 24, 2023, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)
Joe should send her worldwide: to Ukraine, EU etc on international missions to boost her bone fides in the eyes of the public.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)I like Gavin and think he'd be a good President. Gov Whitmer of Michigan would be great too and is a proven leader.
I think the big issue with VP Harris is she's kind of invisible. We never see her in the news. What is she doing? I think the administration needs to give her some high profile assignments that can be "wins" so people become familiar with her.
VP Harris's White House website lists some accomplishments both before and after election.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/vice-president-harris/#:~:text=As%20Senator%2C%20Vice%20President%20Harris,on%20Environment%20and%20Public%20Works.
VP Harris is highly competent. I think people just don't know her. There is hardly any news coverage about what she's doing. That's the issue.
From WH website:
"As Vice President, Kamala Harris has worked in partnership with President Joe Biden to get America vaccinated, rebuild our economy, reduce child poverty, and pass an infrastructure law that will lift up communities that have been left behind. She has led the Administration’s efforts in rallying broad coalitions to protect the freedom to vote, expand workers’ rights to organize and collectively bargain, and stand up for women’s rights — supporting women in our workforce, addressing the maternal health crisis, and defending reproductive rights. The Vice President has also played a key role in engaging world leaders and strengthening our nation’s alliances and partnerships. In everything she does, she remains focused on the people of our nation—and our collective future.
SYFROYH
(34,213 posts)...some other battleground states. She'll do fine in the northeast and west coast, of course.
This is true of Newsom, too.