First it was Liz Cheney and now Cassidy Hutchinson

[question everything]

Both were first admired on these pages and then vilified for “being loyal Republicans.”

Yes, they are. Always have been and will be, hoping for the return of the “old time” party which probably will never happen.

Still, we, the nation, including DUers owe them for maybe saving the country.

So please don’t propose Cheney for president and don’t expect Hutchinson to bad mouth all the Republicans for whom she worked, and who helped her career.

Just accept them for who they are and be grateful for their shining moment in history.

Please.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. That's how I feel.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

2. Has PO1135809 attacked Cassidy Hutchinson yet?

Give that POS time.

Rudy and Mark already have.

[Traildogbob]

11. And Gaetz

She is just a bitter out of control ex girlfriend that hates him for dumping his White Supreme self.

[enid602]

38. Coffee

He just sent her out for coffee every once in a while.

[question everything]

13. After her testimony he claimed that he never tried to force the limosine to drive to the Capitol

by putting his arm around the shoulders of the driver..

[Recycle_Guru]

3. precisely--be appreciative but don't expect them to change

Trump told her to get blonde highlights when she was at the WH so she immediately ran out and did that.

I feel like her Republican upbringing really fucked her up about basic things in life.

[CousinIT]

4. Ditto that. n/t

[mopinko]

5. ya know, i wonder what the all time score card for whistle blowers is-

more men or women? i’d guess more women, cuz it’s so often the invisible low level ppl who get put on the hot seat and dont rly have a viable option but to tell the truth.
then again, they’re often kept out when the actually crimes happen.

[Scrivener7]

6. Exactly.

[getagrip_already]

7. Rachel kind of set the tone last night.....

Focus on them as victims of the wacko right, and virtuous for standing up to them, but not for their personal political beliefs which are frankly irrelevant here.

[jaxexpat]

24. Should be, except maybe,.........

until they get awakened to the possibility of monetizing their new-found "bipartisan" name recognition fame, corral a bunch of campaign donor cash cows and run for offices as Republicans. All brought to you, just like every other time, by our ever-helpful and "socially conscious" for-profit American media.

Personal political beliefs of newsworthy luminaries are NEVER irrelevant here. They are actually the primary relevancy.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

50. Yes

[AnnaLee]

8. Women.

They make me proud of the growing participation of women in the future of this country.

[Traildogbob]

16. I love them

The black ones are the real warriors. But vetting is needed. I use to vote all women in locals when not knowing affiliation. But Palen changed that, now MTG, Boobert, Lake, Blackburn, ALL the female clowns at Fox, Noem, the Poser from Hawaii, just are reminders, that women can be greedy and evil as well. Men are best at being scum, but we really need to vet who we elect, regardless on gender or color. I do believe that the best women are our hope of saving this country. Just no Karen’s please. Lots of Barbies maybe.

[Deuxcents]

65. I agree. Both Ms Cheney and Cassidy are Republican women

Who have more courage and integrity than the republican men who have mostly remained silent. These women are old school republicans which unfortunately for them, doesn’t exist anymore and they have resisted the cult that has taken over. I think they both think things will change but I don’t think so but I’m not a republican. Maybe they and those like them will change affiliation and work for real change with us.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. The Nicolle Wallaces of the GOP

are truly a rare breed because there will always be more Megan McCains and Sippy Cupps, who will concede to some things but will never give up their GOP street cred.

[question everything]

14. I think that Wallace officially left the party after 2016

[BumRushDaShow]

21. And she is a "rare breed"

particularly given her role in Shrub's Administration, knowing about what was left of the "old school" (what I call "annoying" ) Republicans, and able to bring that perspective to bear in her critiques without instinctively reverting back to GOP talking points.

(yes that's a run-on sentence )

[CTyankee]

23. She's the best! Of course she BELONGS to our party!

Praise the lord, another republican sinner has repented and joined with us!

[brer cat]

30. I will not mention the run-on sentence,

but I will congratulate you on proper use of apostrophes and plurals.

[hay rick]

10. I will not be agreeing with Republicans on policy any time soon but

I would appreciate an opposition party that at least values integrity. You got to crawl before you can walk.

[Lonestarblue]

12. I have relatives who are not Trump supporters but still Republican to their souls, believing in a

party that may have existed at some time in the past but does not now—though I think what they believe of the old Republican Party is mostly myth. Separating them from the myth is impossible.

[dobleremolque]

15. One act of conscience doesn't make an entire political viewpoint acceptable.

It's the old "even a stopped clock" argument. Just because they were right once, doesn't mean they are reliable or believable the rest of the day.

I can acknowledge Liz Cheney's one good act of conscience, but I'd NEVER vote for her. Ditto with Hutchinson.

[emulatorloo]

33. Nobody said it did n/t

[obamanut2012]

36. That is what OP said

[question everything]

43. Show me where I said "entire political viewpoint acceptable"

I specifically said: "shining moment in history."

May I suggest that you go back and read the OP? Slowly, each word?

[scipan]

54. I think you meant to reply to #15. Nt

[Daylily]

53. It's wonderful that they had that conscience

But I’m with you. There were opportunities for all of them to realize what was happening earlier. None of them did. It’s like closing the door after the horse has left the barn. It’s good they tried to close the door after the barn caught fire, so I’m grateful for their help. Just wary.

[Hekate]

17. Very wise words

[H2O Man]

18. Recommended.

Well said.

I appreciate what each of them did when it counted the most. And I think that as a young adult, Ms. Hutchinson has the potential to vreate change as she herself changes. I saw her describe herself as a Romney republican, and if she helped bring that part of the party back to life, it would be important. Obviously she could change beyond that.

Cheney, on the other hand, is a Cheney republican. But when most important, she put country first. I can respect that, though not Cheney republicans.

[llashram]

19. cheney

is not to be trusted under ANY circumstance no matter what more she may become...

[moondust]

20. "I've always been a Republican

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in the camp of Reagan and Romney," or something like that is what Cassidy told Rachel. It suggested that she still is one, just not a MAGAt.

ETA: "While attending Christopher Newport University, Hutchinson interned for Republican Senator Ted Cruz during the summer of 2016 and for Republican US House of Representatives whip Steve Scalise during the summer of 2017."

[obamanut2012]

22. Yup, well said

Liz Cheney especially holds views that I 99% disagree with her on, but she stepped up and probably ended her political career doing it.

Hutchinson is young, from a regular family with no clout or money or fancy background or schooling, so no way is she burning bridges right now. Maybe later. Cassidy is very, very brave.

[Martin Eden]

25. They are loyal to what they believe the Republican Party once was

Not to what it is now.

[dchill]

40. Of course it was NEVER what they believe it once was.

More's the pity.

[Martin Eden]

60. Yeah, that was the subtext of my subject title

No political party has ever been perfect. Aside from Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and to a lesser extent Ike, I'm hard pressed to find acceptable Republicans.

Grant was a good man who could effectively manage the strategic operations of far flung armies, but not a very capable politician in handling the the pitfalls of Washington DC.

[JT45242]

26. Not buying it....because they protected the other guilty except TFG

Cheney, especially, as I have not read the new book. Specifically protected the Cruz, Hawley, Grassley, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz, Gym, Republicans from the committee.

Hutchinson said Gaetz was a creeper and that a bunch of GOPers treated her and other women like meat. Again, not shocking.

She worked for a man who said he could grab women by the pussy -- so she implicitly approved of that remark (at least as far as Gaetz, Giulianni, etc were concerned.). I do not believe that she actually deserved to be treated that way -- but, it has been said many times recently -- who would have thunk it -- when you vote and work for the leopard face eating party, that you might just get your face eaten.

If she had real courage she would be flat out saying that the lawyers and TFG and Meadows were suborning perjury -- they told her to lie.

Sorry, no pass for signing off on kids in cages, approving of neonazis, etc.

She said "I want the republican party of Reagan back" -- you know the one that opened the campaign at the home of the KKK, but did not openly embrace the NeoNazis, White Supremacists, etc. She wants that stuff to just be behind closed doors.

[colorado_ufo]

31. She is highly intelligent, however, she may not know all the details of that history.

She was extremely young and extremely idealistic when she went to work there. Her closing statement at the J6 hearings was the one that stuck with me the most: "I realized that the Capital was being defaced on a lie." (Approximate quote.) It is hard to have your core beliefs torn away.

[Marcuse]

27. Anti-MAGA Republicans are our lowest common denominator in American Democracy. No more, no less.

[appleannie1]

28. It took a lot of courage for both of them to come forward

knowing that there are those out there that would willingly harm them for doing so. Liz knew it would probably end her career also. Yet their love of country was stronger than their fear of reprisal. I wish some of the other Thugs were brave enough to put their love of country in front of their love of self.

[sanatanadharma]

29. Cassidy Hutchinson is going through some things

Some things astrological.
For astrologers, Cassidy Hutchinson's story may be a great 'Saturn Return' transition anecdote.

Age 27, considerable personal realignment of desires, choices, understanding; she will become Democratic-minded.

[Upthevibe]

44. sanatanadharma ............

I hear you regarding the importance of the age of 27 as it pertains to astrology. IMHO, that's why we got "The 27 Club." (re: the deaths of musicians at that age).

[Upthevibe]

46. sanatanadharma ............

I hear you regarding the importance of the age of 27 as it pertains to astrology. IMHO, that's how we got "The 27 Club." (re: the deaths of musicians at that age).

[MayReasonRule]

32. ...Who They Are... They're Nat-C Fascist Republicans - I Acknowledge WHAT They Are

I don't give a single shit who they are...

That their evil agenda happened to have a point of overlap with reason has less than zero bearing on their moral character.

They're fascists. End of story.

[Caliman73]

34. I think that we can do both. The reactions are not mutually exclusive.

Both women came to a point where they decided that the system as it is, that is, our way of life as a nation, was more important than the power desired by people within their political party. That is a good thing that we can admire. Especially since there are many people who have not and will not reach that point, or if they do, they do not act on it.

What we can also recognize in both women, and in anyone else who is a Conservative, is that the ideology itself is harmful. This sound mighty intolerant of me and sounds as if I want Conservatives gone. No. I want Conservatism as an ideology gone. I want it in the dustbin of history like the Feudalism from whence it sprang.

Conservatism is a FUNDAMENTALLY different worldview and political ideology that promotes a hierarchical structure to society with fairly rigid boundaries and obstacles for women and minorities. It is often dressed up with platitudes like, "Family values", "small government", and "fiscal responsibility", which are basically bullshit. Conservatives do not care about "family values" as much as they care about imposing a social order based primarily on some Protestant Christian patriarchal ideal. They do not care about the size of government as much as its function. They say "small" when it comes to the power of the federal government to tax the wealthy, regulate businesses, and create social spending to distribute the benefits of society more equally and protect the less powerful from those at the top. They hate that and think that people should fail on their own, while they use the power of government to protect their own interests. "Fiscal responsibility" is tied up in the same area as size of government. They don't care about spending when it comes to the military or subsidies for industry. They only call it "fiscal responsibility" when we are talking about providing support for the middle class, working class, and the poor. To a Conservative, that is WASTING money on people who do not DESERVE it. If they deserved it they wouldn't be poor.

This is the system that Cheney and Hutchinson support, even if they don't believe they do. It cannot be reformed past a certain point. It is the system of social organization that was put in place after the fall of Monarchy and was established to maintain the basic structure of that prior system without the hereditary aristocracy.

We can acknowledge that these women, and others take a stand a personal risk, and we can say they acted heroically while still criticising the fact that they support a system that will lead to this eventual outcome over and over again.

[PurgedVoter]

35. She is going to have enemies everywhere.

Even if she turned full on Democratic Party, a lot of us would have reservations for someone who worked for Ted Cruz and TFG. No matter how she presented, she would be considered not far enough or too far. Still a lot of us would strongly support her and almost all of us would support her for what she went through.

On the other hand, there are those on the Republican side that will never forgive her and while we would have reservations, on the Republican side, they don't even need a political reason to abuse a girl. Our questions vs their outright support of evil and the evil acts a man can do, means that when their side has reservations, it's a lot worse.

My advice to her would be to switch to the Democratic Party quick. A lot more of us would buy her book, and while we might have reservations, at our worst we are not as bad as Republicans at their "normal."

I would say at our worst we are better than their best, but Republicans have been know to serve our country honorably and be decent towards women. They still huddle with obvious pedophiles, traitors, thieves and rapists, but personally they might not be that bad. We may have a few bad apples, but we can identify them since they tend to vote along with the Republicans and maybe do a little childish cheerleader curtsy and a thumbs down when they vote that way.

[Raven123]

37. Exactly

I’m not overly impressed by Hutchinson. Doubt that I will read her book and haven’t watched the interviews. I see her akin to Michael Cohen. She was a Trump ally until she realized she was in legal jeopardy.

I can’t imagine being that young amid the Trump regime. Hope she thinks long and hard about EVERYTHING he did during his presidency and not just the a activities surrounding the election.

[Midnight Writer]

39. Anyone who has ever had a job has worked with people they don't get along with.

But you have to work together to get the job done.

You don't have to have them over for dinner, you don't have to go out for drinks after work, but you do need to be civil enough that you can work together for a common goal.

Some of these Republican expatriates give me serious bad vibes, even give me the creeps. I won't be breaking bread with any of them. But as long as we are traveling on the same path, riding in the same wagon train, I will work with whoever I need to in order to reach our destination.

Once our paths diverge, once our job is done, I'll go my own way.

[Martin68]

41. I agree. Automatically demonizing every single registered Republican is not helpful.

[ananda]

42. Truth. I don't appreciate either of them at all.

If it weren't for people like them, we wouldn't be in
the mess we're in now.

[inthewind21]

47. Amen

[Upthevibe]

45. question everything..........

I agree with you 1000%!

[quakerboy]

48. Even broken clocks are correct periodically

Just because these few are trying to create fallback positions that are more defensible doesnt mean they are not republicans through and through, with all the flaws inherent

[Trust_Reality]

49. I have ordered Cassidy's book to support her and to thank her.

But, she told Rachel (I think it was Rachel) that she has been a solid Republican since Reagan.

Perhaps she was not old enough to realize that Reagan promoted and supported the greedy classes.

"Government is the problem."

What the meant was that government regulations interfere with greedy profiteering corporations and big money investors from the greedy classes.

Because of her integrity and her youth, perhaps there is hope for her.

[Bettie]

51. They are both temporary allies in one very specific circumstance

where their interests coincide with ours. Don't ever think that they are friends. They aren't.

But in one circumstance, they are allies.

I'll give both of them credit for standing on principle.

[beemerphill]

52. That is the way life works.

None of us will ever agree with everything that someone else does, says, or thinks. The best we can do is agree with them when our goals are the same, and disagree with them when we see things differently. I am glad that these two worked with us when they did. They may have similar views on some other matter in the future. They may never agree with us again. The best we can do is keep our eyes and ears open and when they are working towards what we consider a good cause help them and accept their help. No one is all good, and no one is all bad.

[housecat]

55. sound advice

[drray23]

56. I am glad she testified in front of the January 6 commitee

but lets face it, she only did so when she realized her position became untenable and there actually could be consequences. Typical republican who is devoid of any empathy until and unless it affects them. She admitted that she admired Trump, still think highly of Meadows, etc.

So apparently, January 6th was a bridge too far. However, Trump separating babies from their immigrant parents, insulting disabled people, abusing women, naming judges on the supreme court who later overturned Roe vs Wade and a myriad of other well-known things that occurred before she was at the white house was just fine for her.

She is a smart young woman, it's evident in the interviews. She realized that she could take advantage of this situation, get out of legal jeopardy, write a book and make millions.

[Ohioboy]

57. I totally know where you are coming from

Their moments in history are appreciated.

[Rhiannon12866]

58. Well said.

[Jilly_in_VA]

59. Thank you SO MUCH!

I am tired to death of the people saying "Well, Cassidy Hutchinson is still a Republican bla bla bla"! I don't give a flying f*ck if she's a Republican or a Communist or WTF she is, she committed an act of heroism and she should be praised for that, just as Alexander Butterfield did and was and Liz Cheney did and was. Period. The end. Fin. Finito.

[JI7]

61. With elections being as close as they are it's stupid to go after people for not being pure enough

if they were actually running for office and seeking or support it would be different.

But they are going after Trump and are very effective at it so let them.

[whathehell]

62. My sentiments exactly.

[barbtries]

63. i don't get

how they can still be republican though. the party is so far off the rails. they're so bad. so bad.

i appreciate these women's commitment to the truth. but i fail to understand why they are still republicans.

[Bluepinky]

64. My favorite part of the interview was what she said about Gaetz.

“I never dated Matt Gaetz. I don’t hold him in high regard, my standards for a man are much higher”. That was great, it must have struck a nerve for Matt.

[Chakaconcarne]

66. What I saw of the Tapper interview was really good...

I have much respect for her, regardless of her party affiliation.

[progressoid]

67. She's a republican and she can stay a republican.

I'm glad she blew the whistle but I'm not interested in her coming over to our side. At least not at this point. She's still got GOP blood flowing in her veins.

[czarjak]

68. Getting cozy with crazies isn't a good long-term strategy?

[Fullduplexxx]

69. they should have spoken out a long not when theyre trying to sell books

theyre trying to keep themselves out of prison .

[GreenWave]

70. I feel we Democrats need to rise up angrily at the shit the GOP has pulled for decades.

We need our voices heard too.