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breaking - Tanya Chutkan says she will not recuse herself (Original Post) malaise Sep 2023 OP
YAY!!!! TSExile Sep 2023 #1
Why should she? TFG wouldn't even leave the presidency when he was supposed to, now everyone bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #2
Right on and write on! GreenWave Sep 2023 #3
Suck on that Donnie!!! agingdem Sep 2023 #4
Good Oldvet Sep 2023 #5
Thanks for the link malaise Sep 2023 #6
Welcome to DU! Tanuki Sep 2023 #8
I'm pleased to see another DUer who wants to read court decisions. TomSlick Sep 2023 #11
Yes, thank you for the link and Welcome to DU. iluvtennis Sep 2023 #12
Welcome to DU, Oldvet! calimary Sep 2023 #17
Welcome to DU! bdamomma Sep 2023 #21
Not exactly surprising, eh. ananda Sep 2023 #7
as expected... and AFAIK... WarGamer Sep 2023 #9
Donnie does know how to disrespect respectable people. rubbersole Sep 2023 #10
Motion is denied and also... usregimechange Sep 2023 #13
I clicked on this expecting a small article and... Mr. Evil Sep 2023 #14
Now you have me laughing malaise Sep 2023 #18
Excellent! Mr. Evil Sep 2023 #19
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2023 #15
My favorite parts... plus my layman's summary of Chutkan. ancianita Sep 2023 #22
As she should not! PortTack Sep 2023 #16
The Judge bdamomma Sep 2023 #20
See #22 ancianita Sep 2023 #23
Maybe now she can squeeze into her busy schedule the question of the gag order. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #24
DOJ has not yet submitted its reply to Trump's opposition to the motion. onenote Sep 2023 #25
No. Trumps court orders were issued months ago about his behavior. Irish_Dem Sep 2023 #27
Please link to these orders you say were issued months ago by Chutkan. onenote Sep 2023 #28
& she supposedly *should* because *WHY*?! UTUSN Sep 2023 #26

bucolic_frolic

(54,088 posts)
2. Why should she? TFG wouldn't even leave the presidency when he was supposed to, now everyone
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 05:05 PM
Sep 2023

should dance to his tune? F*ck that.

agingdem

(8,772 posts)
4. Suck on that Donnie!!!
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 05:23 PM
Sep 2023

his lawyers are nothing more than stenographers...Donnie spews toxic vomit and they, in turn, file that vomit with the court....I suspect at some point the judge is going to hit Donnie's counsels with sanctions...

TomSlick

(12,881 posts)
11. I'm pleased to see another DUer who wants to read court decisions.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 06:36 PM
Sep 2023

Thanks for posting the decision

Welcome to DU!

calimary

(89,065 posts)
17. Welcome to DU, Oldvet!
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 07:55 PM
Sep 2023

And thanks for the link! Not a lawyer here, but I’m sure the lawyers here will really appreciate it! I do like documentation, though!

WarGamer

(18,256 posts)
9. as expected... and AFAIK...
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 06:25 PM
Sep 2023

Nothing Trump can do about it re: appeal until after he's found guilty.

Mr. Evil

(3,439 posts)
14. I clicked on this expecting a small article and...
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 07:08 PM
Sep 2023

all I saw was "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah."

And I burst out laughing!

That's the best one-word OP I've ever read!

ancianita

(42,922 posts)
22. My favorite parts... plus my layman's summary of Chutkan.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 08:29 PM
Sep 2023


https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/61/united-states-v-trump/


p 7 of 20:

...
But justice also demands that judges not recuse without cause. “In the wrong hands, a

disqualification motion is a procedural weapon to harass opponents and delay proceedings. If

supported only by rumor, speculation, or innuendo, it is also a means to tarnish the reputation of

a federal judge.” Microsoft Corp., 253 F.3d at 108. Motions for recusal could also be

wrongfully deployed as a form of “judge shopping,” Alberti v. Gen. Motors Corp., 600 F. Supp.

1024, 1025 (D.D.C. 1984), permitting “litigants or third parties to exercise a negative veto over

the assignment of judges,” In
re United States, 666 F.2d 690, 694 (1st Cir. 1981). There is,

accordingly, as much “obligation upon a judge not to recuse himself when there is no occasion as

there is for him to do so when there is.” United States v. Mitchell, 377 F. Supp. 1312, 1325

(D.D.C. 1974) (quotation omitted), aff’d sub nom. United States v. Haldeman, 559 F.2d 31 (D.C.

Cir. 1976) (en banc), cert. denied sub nom. Ehrlichman v. U.S., 431 U.S. 933, 97 (1977), reh’g

denied sub nom. Mitchell v. United States, 433 U.S. 916 (1977)...


p 10 of 20:

The court’s “knowledge and the opinion it produced” with respect to who had and had not been prosecuted for crimes related to January 6 was “properly and necessarily acquired in the course of the proceedings” in Palmer and Priola,...


p 11 of 20:

... where the defendants argued that they were less culpable than those who had not been

prosecuted. Id. at 551. Indeed, the court’s consideration of that information and those

arguments was “necessary to [the] completion of [its] task,” id., because of the court’s obligation

to consider each of the sentencing factors set forth in § 3553(a), including the nature and

circumstances of the offenses, along with any relevant Sentencing Guidelines and the

defendants’ requests for downward variances. The court’s statements therefore derived from

intrajudicial sources...

the court has never taken the position the defense

ascribes to it: that former “President Trump should be prosecuted and imprisoned.” Motion at 1.

And the defense does not cite any instance of the court ever uttering those words or anything

similar. Instead, the defense interprets the court’s verbal reiteration of Palmer and Priola’s

arguments about their relative culpability as “suggest[ing]” a secret “core view” about

Defendant’s criminality. Id. at 7; see id. at 6 (the “statement that ‘t’s a blind loyalty to one

person who, by the way, remains free to this day’ . . . suggests that President Trump has

culpability for the events of that day and should not be free”); id. at 7 (the court’s reference to

Palmer’s argument “that the people who exhorted you and encouraged you and rallied you . . .

have not been charged” is “a suggestion that President Trump may and should be prosecuted..
.


p 12 of 20:

...based on those facts”). That inferential leap is not reasonable in light of the relevant facts,

record, and law...

... A reasonable person—aware of the statutory requirement that the court address

the defendant’s arguments and state its reasons for its sentence—would understand that in

making the statements contested here, the court was not issuing vague declarations about third

parties’ potential guilt in a hypothetical future case; instead, it was fulfilling its duty to expressly

evaluate the defendants’ arguments that their sentences should be reduced because other

individuals whom they believed were associated with the events of January 6 had not been

prosecuted...The defense here focuses on..
.



p 13 of 20:

...court’s comments that Palmer made a “very good point” about other people not being charged or

not, and that “I have my opinions” about the “issue of who has or has not been charged.” Motion

at 2, 7. But the court expressly declined to state who, if anyone, it thought should still face

charges. It is the defense, not the court, who has assumed that the Defendant belongs in that

undefined group..
. e.g., Ciavarella, 716 F.3d at 723 (holding that a ...


p 14 of 20:

judge’s statement “that my personal beliefs cannot guide my responsibility and judgments”

negated inference that the judge would act partially in accordance with his stated personal

beliefs). The record “as a whole” does not support a reasonable question as to the court’s

impartiality. Ciavarella, 716 F.3d at 723.

Legal precedent also counsels against recusal in this case...



Layman's summary of Judge Don't Play Chutkan:

1. You all don't have just cause;
2. You all want to judge shop;
3. You all don't know what I was talking about;
4. I can cite more support and precedent rulings than you;
5. You frivolous delay assholes don't know what you're talking about.












Irish_Dem

(79,946 posts)
24. Maybe now she can squeeze into her busy schedule the question of the gag order.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 08:55 PM
Sep 2023

Before Trump gets someone killed.

onenote

(45,991 posts)
25. DOJ has not yet submitted its reply to Trump's opposition to the motion.
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 10:15 PM
Sep 2023

Trump's opposition was just filed Monday and DOJ has until Saturday to respond. So you're a bit off-base suggesting the judge has been dragging her feet.

Irish_Dem

(79,946 posts)
27. No. Trumps court orders were issued months ago about his behavior.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 12:11 AM
Sep 2023

Trump will play games until the cows come home. Judges will let him.

Meanwhile someone is going to get killed.

Judges need to speed walk this issue and stop horsing around.

Judges revoke bail all the time.

Now we have Trump talking about executing high level members of the US military
and the judges are going to play games with Trump.

Yep I am mad. If federal employees cannot do their jobs, time to find other employment.

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