Jen Psaki just depressed the hell out of me.

[madaboutharry]

She just showed a clip of idiots in Des Moines, IA parroting the bullshit spewed by Trump and agreeing that Gen. Milley is a traitor and should be subjected to the death penalty.

Good Grief! These people would have saluted Hitler if they lived in Germany in 1939. No. Doubt. About. It.

[TexasTowelie]

1. There's a strong possibility that some of these people's descendants were saluting

Hitler in America during 1939. These people had to learn how to hate from someone.

ETA: Read my subsequent posts--I meant ancestors rather than descendants.

[TexasDem69]

5. Maybe?

People seem to learn to hate all by themselves. I would blame the parents or grandparents or whomever for the sins of the child.

[tritsofme]

12. There is a much stronger probability that they instead served admirably in the fight against

the Nazis and Axis Powers.

And it is their progeny who now insult their sacrifice.

[Yoyoyo77]

32. Sometimes,

It is passed down in the family, take for example the Kochs, dad was a founder of the John Birch society and his sons after not getting very far with the Libertarian party staged a take over of the GOP and set up much of our current BS!!!!!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

19. I think you mean ancestors. Those who came before.

Not descendants, those who follow.

[TexasTowelie]

25. Oops, you're correct. The word "descendants" is what popped in my head

and I used it without giving it a second thought.

[soldierant]

44. I have a game

from a non-English-as-first-language country - it's a Match-3 but there's a sort of plot which depends on the protagonist tracing his ancestry back to the 15th century, and it constantly uses "ancestor" to mean "descendant." And there are some other weird usages and turns of phrase. But the boards are challenging and the artwork is good so I grit my teeth and play it anyway.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

37. 1939 Madison Square Garden, 22K Nazi-American rally ; 1925 KKK 50,000 March D.C.

..since discovering these two events-- and observing republiklan party over 60 yrs ... it is apparent that those who attended events was not a one time demonstration of hate... those in attendence passed on their hate filled, racist, bigoted beliefs and practices onto their children, grand children and what we are now observing today is not the demise of said groups but the resurgence as [ sorry need to take a quick break will be back on a few to finish thought edit.]. See links.

February 20, 1939 Madison Square Garden 22000 American Nazi Sympathisers

The birth of American fascism is nearly impossible to identify within the context of history. The American fascist movement in the 1930s and early 1940s, until recently, was arguably the most organized attempt to bring Nazism to the forefront of American society. While not the earliest pro-Nazi American organization, the German-American Bund was one of the most successful. The Bund was founded in 1936 with a goal to empower German-American citizens to spread Nazi ideology in the United States and to create an American counterpart to the German Nazi Party. The culmination of the German American Bund’s work would be a February 20, 1939 rally at Madison Square Garden in Midtown Manhattan where 22,000 members gathered amidst a flurry of American and Nazi imagery.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/american-nazism-and-madison-square-garden&ved=2ahUKEwio4IXh7NiBAxXgAjQIHUhODnEQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3-CEec1g_6YMRj1UiHk_RC

1925 50,000 KKK members March on Washington d.c.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dk1PvjywyPKk&ved=2ahUKEwjbmobY6NiBAxViKH0KHUtyCSkQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Xv_FxD4XWUngWXuURHmEk

[TexasTowelie]

41. That rally what I was thinking about when I made the comment.

Thanks for adding the reference.

[soldierant]

42. Um -

that would be ancestors. Descendants are future. ancestors are past.

[TexasTowelie]

43. Yes, see post #25. nt

[OneBro]

46. Carefully Taught

?si=T_mVP-LI2x5FxRbh

[mahina]

52. Or ancestors maybe

[TexasTowelie]

53. See post #25. nt

[mahina]

55. Heya, sorry, I don't see a post #25.

[TexasTowelie]

64. Perhaps you have put the member I responded to on ignore?

I suggest logging out and returning to the thread so that you can see all of the responses.

[rzemanfl]

62. Huh? n/t

[TexasTowelie]

63. I meant ancestors.

I thought that I clarified my statement in the subsequent posts, but apparently nobody is reading those posts.

[rzemanfl]

65. Sorry. I failed to note the age of your post.

[TexasTowelie]

68. No offense was taken, it was my mistake that lead to this string of responses.

[rzemanfl]

70. I am juggling C-span, the Rays wild card game and DU. n/t

[TexasTowelie]

71. I'm engaging in risque behavior myself.

I'm listening to the hearing on the Brian Tyler Cohen video thread I posted earlier and posting new threads from roaming the rest of the Internet

[hadEnuf]

78. Almost 35 years of non-stop, 24/7/365 right-wing propaganda hate spewing on TV, radio and internet.

How many generations have been influenced by this? It only took Hitler and Goebbels a few years to take over media at the time and they only had radio, print and rallies.


Today's fascists haven't needed any influence from pro-Nazi ancestors. Just electricity.

[markpkessinger]

80. Ancestors, not descendants

Sorry to be a pedant!

[bigtree]

2. the media likes to depress us

...but more to the point, it's fascism's goal to make you exasperated.

It intends to overload you and encourage you to tire or look away. You obviously are still hanging in, but it should be remembered that these maga cult members are not in the majority.

The media doesn't run story after story of generous, kind, tolerant Americans content with their leaders, and pushing right along with them to enact a progressive agenda.

That's nowhere to be found on the news, but I know most of us here would relate their own decency and commitment to democracy and each other, as well as much the same of their family and friends. It's just not going to make the evening news, mad.

Don't get lost in it.

[Think. Again.]

7. Great post!

[c-rational]

8. +1 Well said.

[betsuni]

15. +1

[rubbersole]

20. Amen.

[paleotn]

24. This!! 100% correct.

[Snackshack]

26. There is no media.

Once humans in media/news departments became responsible for generating a profit every 3 months objectivity went out the window.

There is no News at least not like the time when we had people such as Cronkite, Walters, Reasoner delivering it to us each week night. Now we have a cross between Entertainment Tonight and The Jerry Springer show.

[Ligyron]

28. Thanks for the reminder.

Sometimes we tend to forget and can feel defeated when we are anything but.

[byronius]

35. Totally agree.

The generational wave on the way is going to utterly change the GOP. We’ll likely see claims that they were civil rights supporters. And other lies to attempt to escape the shame of Trump.

Americans are getting smarter all the time.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

74. That's what everyone said in the 60s

About the young people changing everything.

1980 has called to remind you how that turned out.

[byronius]

77. That was my first election. I voted for Carter, and it hurt.

But I counter with Barack Obama. Plus, the demographics have radically changed. You'll either admit to that or not -- but hard numbers say that the next two elections will tell the tale of a liberal young electorate.

Cultural issues do not favor the GOP. They never grow, or change. But it's all they got. Hatred of minorities and hatred of new things.

I suppose we shall find out.

Where I live, in California -- the GOP is a powerless, smelly old corpse. Done. And the state is economically roaring. So -- have hope.

[mountain grammy]

39. Exactly!

[forgotmylogin]

61. I've also gotta assume...

At his dumb rallies he seems to be pulling a couple thousand people on average. Those are the devotees whose minds we aren't ever gonna change; literally the "if PO1135809 shot someone on the street they wouldn't care" people. Just because you can fill an event hall with cult members after a long ticketing process and padding the house doesn't necessarily demonstrate wider support. They're collecting all of a vocal minority so he can do his standup-bigotry routine and get clapped for and feed his ego and the media is presenting it as though TFG has wider support. That's the press's malfunction.

There's a specific bias based on what the camera lens is trained on. I remember when the Ferguson protests were happening in my area: To see it on CNN the night fires were set in a few buildings made it look like Armageddon and the whole metro area was burning. I drove through there once during the day (a week later when it was safe and nothing was happening - when protesting was happening they had sawhorses up to make you drive around the block to avoid that street) and it was literally 2 city blocks. My dad actually called to ask if I was okay, and I was like "you're looking at five closed businesses that were set on fire like 15 miles away from where I live, nobody is rioting here and it's nowhere near as bad as it looks on TV."

[Kablooie]

3. Hell, they are probably saluting Hitler today.

[Deuxcents]

4. I saw the cult parroting their leader.

If anyone asked them the definition of treason, we’d find that they don’t know, at least according to their answers they gave on this video.

[Demobrat]

22. That's what I saw too.

Monkey see, monkey do.

[malaise]

6. The media gives these semi-literate fools way too much coverage

That is all

[madaboutharry]

11. This is the thing:

Their votes, based on misinformation and manipulation, counts just as much as the next vote. We can't ignore the power of the ignorant.

[Sky Jewels]

60. Yes, how many red state angry old rightwing gunhumping white men in diners

must we be subjected to? The New York Times and other outlets seem to never tire of these assholes and their moronic "opinions."

[orthoclad]

9. America inspired the Nazis

They copied the Nuremberg Laws from US racial policies. In those, the Nazis defined how much ancestry it took to be legally called a Jew. Much looser than the Jim Crow "one drop of blood".

Hitler enjoyed a fair bit of popularity in the US before the war.

The US has practiced genocide and slavery for hundreds of years, and we're still trying to Reconstruct.
Don't be surprised by this.

[FakeNoose]

10. We should all be emailing Jen Psaki and tell her to STOP this parroting of rightwing shit

Enough! Stop amplifying these idiots.

If she doesn't stop it, we should just turn her off.

[dflprincess]

13. It keeps us from getting complacent

if too many people forget these idiots are still out there (and possibly voting) there's an awful lot of people who will stay home on election day because they they'll think Trump can't happen again.

[Recycle_Guru]

14. deppressed citizens/consumers buy things

that's why big tech algorithms are so insidious. they help people feel depressed and dissatisfied by what they are scrolling through--them that dopamine hit of someone liking their post or making that impulse purchase.

Pretty slick and sick operation.

[NJCher]

36. same with TV

I used to be a producer of television commercials. After 15-20 years of that, I went into teaching media/communications at a university. I told my students to think of television as the 24/7 feel bad machine.

1. Introduce doubt about one's physical appeal. Example: deodorant.
2. Make the viewer insecure.
3. Bring value into line with the need to alleviate that feeling.
4. You've produced a sale.

Not all commercials are like that or lend themselves to that sort of presentation, but many do.

[Recycle_Guru]

38. I believe it. it's just the same on steroids with all the personal data they harvest

and harness to micro target ads, etc to us.

[RicROC]

16. Magats are a blood cult.

Death penalty
no abortions even if mother's life at risk
more guns
drown the migrants
execute 'traitors' but nothing said about selling state secrets.
(TX) don't upgrade electrical infrastructure so that folks die of heat and cold
don't accept Medicaid funds so poor people suffer and die
support Medicare Advantage so that authorizations are needed and can be denied

[BOSSHOG]

17. One of the saddest pictures I recall from World War II

Is a Polish Lady standing on the side of a street in her country sobbing and giving the forced Nazi Salute as German tanks rolled into her country.

[ecstatic]

18. Which side is in the majority? Not just magat MFs

I'm so sick of having their opinions forced into my bedroom.

[Snackshack]

21. They didn't need to

Live in Germany they were here then too.

Look up German American Bund in Google.

[Yoyoyo77]

33. look up the America First movement and Father Charles Coughlin and the sedition trial of 1944 too.

[Snackshack]

49. Yes

I am familiar with the "radio priest".

[paleotn]

23. 30% of Americans are hateful assholes.

30% have trouble tying their shoes. I think those two groups overlap quite a bit. Dick Nixon still had some support even after the revelations in the mid to late 70's. Not enough to win a presidential election, but enough to convince me that a quarter to a third of Americans can't be trusted with the vote.

[hedda_foil]

73. 30% of human beings can be persuaded to be hateful assholes by a type of charismatic leader.

[pansypoo53219]

29. the monsters fux gnewz created.

[Tribetime]

30. The media's the problem they keep reporting stuff as normal

Not talking about msnbc

[Fresh Water Falling]

31. Why was she showing the clip?

[akbacchus_BC]

34. Jen Psaki is a new pundit. Do not let her or the other pundits reporting depress you. The magats are

dwindling and if they are not, Reagan accomplished his mission of dumbing down a huge majority of Americans. It is abhorrent to see that the people who support the orange pos, call for the murder of upstanding citizens and supported a treasonous act on the Capitol.
I always look at Lawrence O. and just the other day, he had someone (cannot remember his name) on his show, who said that people should not believe the polls. Stay positive.

[NJCher]

45. in addition, there's the election trend

that Chris Hayes presented on his show in a lead segment last week.

‘It’s not polling, it’s real’: Dems overperform in 24 of 30 special elections so far in 2023

[MyNameIsJonas]

40. We live in a very big country.

It's the third most populated country on earth.

You're gonna be able to find hundreds of thousands of people who have the most vile, depressing and extreme viewpoints to ever exist.

[bluesbassman]

47. That was bad, but worse was her letting Buck throw out the Hunter Biden jab.

She gave a weak, barely audible “it’s not the same thing” retort, but she should have nailed him.

[NoMoreRepugs]

48. I'm incensed by those people not depressed - they are threatening

my granddaughters future country.

[SouthernDem4ever]

50. Like I said before, round em up and ensconce them in a mental facility

for study and treatment. They are a threat to civilization.

[tiredtoo]

51. Does not depress me

I long ago accepted the maga folks as being in a cult. Cultist believe anything their leader tells them. Accept their ignorance and do everything you can to reduce their power.

[mahina]

54. You can rustle up a couple of dozen people who think that way even in Honolulu

Maybe a thousand, even, as the West side has shifted hard right, crazy as that is.

They are outnumbered greatly.

I don't have any clear understanding of where we are on this stuff on the continent, havent been there in ages and ages. I read that 15% of us still believe in Quanon, which I maintain was an effort to surface the stupidest people in America, to activate them as directed.

As Kelley said, God help us.

[DBoon]

57. These people would have saluted Hitler if they lived in Germany in 1948

They are like the Hitler loyalists who stuck with him after the destruction of WWII and revelations about the Holocaust

[MistakenLamb]

58. Forget it Jake, its Iowa

I'm not losing sleep over this state or the electorate they are choosing for clips. Bring me what voters in Wisconsin or Michigan are saying

[Initech]

59. I'm convinced if Fox and OAN were around in World War II...

That we'd currently be living under Nazi rule. Hell if they had been around in the Revolutionary War, we'd currently be living under a monarchy.

[Justice]

66. I watched that - impossible to explain those people

By their clothes and teeth, they don't look like they have much money. By the way they speak, they don't seem very well educated. The way they speak about a decorated member of the military, they don't seem very patriotic.

Don't want to disparage people, but its hard to figure out the appeal of Trump other than prejudice and a cult.

[Emile]

67. Trump needs to be gagged or locked up.

[onecaliberal]

69. She had ken buck on yesterday and allowed him to say it's ok to impeach Joe Biden because of Hunter.

She should have thrown in his face the trademarks, the 2 BILLION from the perpetrators of 9-11. And they were part of his admin unlike Hunter.

[CaptainTruth]

72. I don't get depressed, I get determined.

Yes, they would have supported Hitler, that just makes me more determined to defeat them.

If we're going to save America, that's the attitude we all must have.

[Texin]

76. "These people" would salute Hitler if he lived here right now.

They'd help load the box cars and ship men, women and children to the concentration camps and pile the gassed victims into burn dumps or incinerators.

[quakerboy]

79. Would have?

Would any of us be surprised to find their ranks replete with those who DO, currently? I think not.

[mn9driver]

81. Dangerous fools have always been with us

The ability to spread their disease around the world with a keystroke is new. And it may be the death of us.

[Evolve Dammit]

82. They are a lockstep cult that would do ANYTHING. I hope law enforcement is up to the task. nt

[Demsrule86]

83. I don't like her show. I prefer Chris.