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Marius25

(3,213 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:29 AM Oct 2023

Palestinians just lost over $700 million in aid from the EU

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Hamas has quite literally just destroyed the future of Palestinians.

Edit: Just saw that Austria has suspended aid, and Germany is looking into suspending aid as well.
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Palestinians just lost over $700 million in aid from the EU (Original Post) Marius25 Oct 2023 OP
And yet, Palestinians the world over are celebrating this savage attack MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #1
They're complete idiots. They've destroyed their cause probably forever. Marius25 Oct 2023 #2
I just can't comprehend what the leadership of Hamas was thinking this would gain them. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #4
Exactly NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #15
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #17
My thoughts? (maybe crazy but) bluestarone Oct 2023 #21
I would say that there is a better than even chance that this is part of it, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #22
Yea, Just hope people are wise to their plan. bluestarone Oct 2023 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Oct 2023 #29
Agreed. Whatever sympathy I had for the Palestinian cause before this weekend is dead. Marius25 Oct 2023 #31
Not all of them Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #3
I agree. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #5
Sacrifice NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #18
Couldn't have said any better. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #20
Thank you for pointing this out. redqueen Oct 2023 #30
your tweet doesn't back up your title Celerity Oct 2023 #6
All payments suspended is the second tweet. EllieBC Oct 2023 #7
Again, that doesn't equal they are permanently lost, nor does it equal all 691m euros is Celerity Oct 2023 #9
Obviously not permanently. EllieBC Oct 2023 #12
In the very short term, it doesn't mattter. Igel Oct 2023 #27
All payments were suspended, and even Sweden is apparently discussing ending aid to Palestinians Marius25 Oct 2023 #8
see post 9 Celerity Oct 2023 #10
Doesn't matter. EU citizens were brutally murdered and captured. Marius25 Oct 2023 #11
Syntax and the resultant claims that come from it DO matter, sorry. Celerity Oct 2023 #13
Well hopefully ALL aid from the entire West ends. Marius25 Oct 2023 #14
I am not at all in favour of permanently ending all aid that is humanitarian in nature. Celerity Oct 2023 #19
I saw this in the Guardian and heard something on NPR LeftInTX Oct 2023 #28
To convert just type euro to usd into google, it brings up a converter Celerity Oct 2023 #32
The Aid was never being used to help the Palestinians JI7 Oct 2023 #16
Of course some of it was used to help them, and Israel destroyed a lot of its developmental projects Celerity Oct 2023 #23
Then they won't miss it. egduj Oct 2023 #33
Good. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #25
I just heard this on NPR LeftInTX Oct 2023 #26
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
2. They're complete idiots. They've destroyed their cause probably forever.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:34 AM
Oct 2023

Nobody except insane Antisemites support what they're doing right now. You're obviously going to lose global support when you brutally murder, kidnap, rape, and torture international tourists.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
4. I just can't comprehend what the leadership of Hamas was thinking this would gain them.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:38 AM
Oct 2023

If I were in the leadership of Hamas, I would find a deep dark hole to crawl into and hide because Israel is going to hunt each and every one of them down, much like they did for the Munich massacre.

NowISeetheLight

(3,959 posts)
15. Exactly
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:22 AM
Oct 2023

As they need to. I'm going to grab Munich from my DVD collection today and watch it again. Maybe watch a few YouTube documentaries about Mossad, the six day war, and how they hunted those WW2 Nazis in South America.

I'd always had a bit of sympathy for the Palestinian citizens. I've never liked how Israel built settlements in the West Bank. To me it was a provocation and unnecessary. It totally destroyed the two state idea, which I supported. Give each side their own country.

But this has totally turned me against Palestine now. I feel sorry for the innocents there but this massive of a plan could never have taken place without taict compliance. They are showing videos this morning of little kids and women being dragged back to Gaza. In terms of "public relations" all i can think is "what were they thinking?". Hamas has basically turned the majority of the world against them.

I don't know. Maybe this generation of Hamas leaders isn't experienced enough to realize what Israel is capable of. I wouldn't want to piss them off. As for Iran. If/When evidence emerges that they played ANY part in this, Israel will exact a price.

bluestarone

(17,672 posts)
21. My thoughts? (maybe crazy but)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:32 AM
Oct 2023

Could this be POOTY and TFG's team trying one final attempt to cause MASSIVE confusion in OUR country to get TFG's election back on track? Just thinking this would be their plan from day one, that if it looks bad for TFG, then put this plan into effect? Anything is possible, i guess.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
22. I would say that there is a better than even chance that this is part of it,
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:35 AM
Oct 2023

Putin and Benedict Donald would like nothing better than to create a crisis to distract from the Ukraine war and get Benedict elected again.

Response to Marius25 (Reply #2)

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
31. Agreed. Whatever sympathy I had for the Palestinian cause before this weekend is dead.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:27 AM
Oct 2023

You don't freakin rape, torture, and murder children, international tourists, and Holocaust survivors because another country's government/military is oppressing you.

Johnny2X2X

(20,012 posts)
3. Not all of them
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:37 AM
Oct 2023

There is dissent among Palestinians, just like there is among any other group. Painting with too broad a brush is what gets us into messes like this.

This is going to cause immense suffering for millions of innocent people.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,979 posts)
5. I agree.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:40 AM
Oct 2023

but the videos of Palestinians and their supporters dancing in many countries, including the US, isn't going to garner support for their cause.

This is going to cause immense suffering for millions of innocent people.

Tragically, this is true.

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
6. your tweet doesn't back up your title
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:47 AM
Oct 2023



As the biggest donor of the Palestinians, the European Commission is putting its full development portfolio under review, worth a total of EUR 691m


'under review' does not equal already 'lost', nor does it mean in toto

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
9. Again, that doesn't equal they are permanently lost, nor does it equal all 691m euros is
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:04 AM
Oct 2023

wiped.

There have been no final decisions at all.

EllieBC

(3,157 posts)
12. Obviously not permanently.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:14 AM
Oct 2023

However even short term it’ll hurt.

FAFO. Maybe next time don’t elect terrorizes. Don’t cheer in the streets of cities across the world.

Igel

(35,763 posts)
27. In the very short term, it doesn't mattter.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:22 AM
Oct 2023

Aid's not getting in.

Construction aid often goes to Hamas projects--even if it's not 100%, you build a school and put an arms dump under it, that's an aid-funded arms dump. You fund a hospital and it pays for utilities and space for Hamas C&C, you're funding Hamas C&C.


Financial support for administration and government supports Hamas, and the separation of religion, ideology, military, and administration is vanishingly small.

Food aid is the same. You can't feed the population without supporting Hamas' ideological and military wings, and since they're the administrators, they often nod as they hand over food and take credit for what good there is (as all politicians are wont to do). I mean, Hamas is state, Hamas is schools, Hamas is church.

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
10. see post 9
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:10 AM
Oct 2023


you OP title states



which means it is

A. already permanently decided

B. all of it is gone, the entire €691m


neither of which is the case
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
11. Doesn't matter. EU citizens were brutally murdered and captured.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:12 AM
Oct 2023

The EU isn't going to side with Palestinians anymore. When even Sweden, probably the most pro-Palestinian country in Europe is talking about ending aid, their support is done.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
14. Well hopefully ALL aid from the entire West ends.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:17 AM
Oct 2023

If they want aid, they can get it from the hellhole countries that support Islamic terrorism.

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
19. I am not at all in favour of permanently ending all aid that is humanitarian in nature.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:24 AM
Oct 2023

Hamas absolutely needs to be removed from the equation, but that doesn't mean that all humanitarian aid should be permanently ended, especially if Hamas is indeed eradicated from any sort of controlling power.

On the other side, the illegal West Bank settlements need to permanently end, and the preexisting ones need to be returned. Without that as well, the never ending cycle of conflict and tragedy will continue down its bloody path of ruination.

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
32. To convert just type euro to usd into google, it brings up a converter
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:58 AM
Oct 2023

As for the article, it only reinforces my original reply.

The OP title makes claims not backed up by what is actually happening, as I have shown.

No final decisions have been made.

Could it happen? Sure, but it has not happened as of now.

Celerity

(45,349 posts)
23. Of course some of it was used to help them, and Israel destroyed a lot of its developmental projects
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:36 AM
Oct 2023
Squandered Aid: Israel’s repetitive destruction of EU-funded projects in Palestine

https://www.euromedmonitor.org/en/article/1255/Squandered-Aid:-Israel%25E2%2580%2599s-repetitive-destruction-of-EU-funded-projects-in-Palestine

Damage to European Union-funded projects in Palestine during Israeli attacks and other incursions is nothing new. However, following the union’s move in 2015 to label Israeli settlement products, the number of EU-funded projects demolished or confiscated by Israel increased dramatically. In the first three months of 2016, the number of demolitions per month, of either private property or Internationally/EU–funded projects, increased to 165, from an average of 50 during 2012-2015, The United Nations office for coordination of humanitarian affairs 'OCHA' has documented 120 demolitions against EU-financed buildings in the first three months of 2016.

Euro-Med Monitor estimates that since 2001, the Israeli authorities have destroyed approximately 150 development projects, of which totally or partial funded by the EC and its member states, of what incurs the EU a financial loss of approximately €58 million out of the total €85 million worth of damage.

Euro-Med Monitor also estimates that since 2001, the total value of EU squandered aid money (development and humanitarian projects)amounts to €65million—of which at least €23million were lost during the 2014 assault alone.

In this report, Euro-Med Monitor analyzes the Israeli destruction of EU-funded projects and structures in the Occupied Palestinian territories (Opt) in the period between 2001 – May 2016, using what limited public data are available; since this information is actively suppressed by European officials to avoid embarrassment. We challenge the legality of the destruction, discuss its “chilling effect” on the willingness of donors to continue the rebuilding of Gaza and examine the negative impact on the credibility of European bodies during negotiations for a possible peace.

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Full report:

http://euromedmonitor.org/uploads/reports/SquanderedAid_En.pdf


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LeftInTX

(27,573 posts)
26. I just heard this on NPR
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:44 AM
Oct 2023

Didn't get the figures because I'm recovering from oral surgery and hubby was driving, but I heard the EU stopped aid to Palestinians.

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