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(85,996 posts)
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:08 PM Jan 2012

Keystone Killed! (For Now)

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Statement by the President on the Keystone XL Pipeline: "Earlier today, I received the Secretary of State’s recommendation on the pending application for the construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline. As the State Department made clear last month, the rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted on by Congressional Republicans prevented a full assessment of the pipeline’s impact, especially the health and safety of the American people, as well as our environment. As a result, the Secretary of State has recommended that the application be denied. And after reviewing the State Department’s report, I agree.

"This announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people. I'm disappointed that Republicans in Congress forced this decision, but it does not change my Administration’s commitment to American-made energy that creates jobs and reduces our dependence on oil.

"Under my Administration, domestic oil and natural gas production is up, while imports of foreign oil are down. In the months ahead, we will continue to look for new ways to partner with the oil and gas industry to increase our energy security –including the potential development of an oil pipeline from Cushing, Oklahoma to the Gulf of Mexico – even as we set higher efficiency standards for cars and trucks and invest in alternatives like biofuels and natural gas. And we will do so in a way that benefits American workers and businesses without risking the health and safety of the American people and the environment."

read: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/18/statement-president-keystone-xl-pipeline


“Um, … this came as a surprise to anybody?” said a person close to Obama. “There was never the slightest bit of doubt we were going to say no.”

. . . for all the pounding he’s taking from Republicans, industry and labor unions, Obama’s decision Wednesday is no-brainer election-year politics.

Democrats outside the West Wing and Chicago-based campaign say the politics were clear: With the exceptions of the grousing unions (who will have no choice but to support him in 2012), the party’s donor base, environmental advocates down to their hybrid SUVs oppose the pipeline.

In fact, a top Democratic fundraiser told POLITICO that the two most frequent questions he heard from wealthy would-be contributors were “about Keystone and gay marriage.”

read: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71636.html


President Obama said the rejection wasn't based on the merits of the project, instead it was rejected because the State Department did not have sufficient time to make a proper decision.

Saying it did not have sufficient time to properly vet the proposal, the State Department said it would recommend rejecting a proposal by TransCanada to build a 1,700 mile pipeline, which would carry oil from Canada to refineries in Texas.

read: http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/145397402/reports-obama-will-reject-keystone-pipeline-proposal


The Canadian firm quickly said it would re-apply for the permit, which it first sought in 2008. But U.S. officials said it would still take more than a year for the State Department to complete a new environmental review -- pushing any final decision on the line well beyond November's elections.

Kevin Book, an energy analyst at Clearview Energy Partners, said that even an approval in 2013 could still have "important implications for North American supply" because it would establish a six- or seven-year process for approval of pipelines that cross national borders.

"Should environmentalists replicate last year's successful delays in future permit decisions, it would turn what used to be a de facto "rubber stamp" into a long, drawn-out fight every time," Book said in a research note.

"The knock on Barack Obama from many quarters has been that he's too conciliatory," said Bill McKibben, who led protests against the pipeline through his organization 350.org. "But here, in the face of a naked political threat from Big Oil to exact 'huge political consequences,' he's stood up strong."

read: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL1E8CI6XY20120119?sp=true


When he called Prime Minister Stephen Harper to break the news, Obama took pains to point out that TransCanada was free to submit an amended plan — one that would reroute the Alberta-to-Texas pipeline around an environmentally sensitive aquifer in Nebraska.

"The president explained that the decision was not a decision on the merits of the project, and that it was without prejudice, meaning that TransCanada is free to re-apply," Harper spokesman Andrew MacDougall said.

And though Harper "expressed his profound disappointment" at the decision, MacDougall said, "he indicated to President Obama that he hoped that this project would continue given the significant contribution it would make to jobs and economic growth both in Canada and the United States of America."

Indeed, Keystone XL is more delayed than dead: the move lets the White House reclaim control of the approval process after Republican lawmakers attempted to force Obama into green-lighting the politically charged project in late December.

read: http://www.news1130.com/news/national/article/321117--reports-u-s-state-dept-to-say-no-to-transcanada-s-keystone-xl-pipeline


When the president denied the permit for Keystone XL on Wednesday, he didn’t just turn the usual balance of power upside down, he turned the conventional wisdom more or less on its head—as late as October, a National Journal poll of 300 D.C. “energy insiders” showed 91 percent predicting that the pipeline would be approved.

The victory is of course a tribute to people who set aside their natural cynicism about the possibility of change and instead went to jail in record numbers, wrote public comments in record numbers, surrounded the White House shoulder to shoulder five deep. They managed to bring reality to the forefront for once, and that reality—the leaky pipeline, the oil destined for export, the carbon overload from the tar sands—managed to trump, for now, the bottomless pockets of the fossil fuel industry.

What was interesting yesterday was watching the reaction of the congressional leadership, who’d forced the issue by passing legislation mandating a speedy approval process. They’d set the president an essentially impossible task, since Transcanada Pipeline hadn’t even announced the route they wanted to take through Nebraska. But apparently they thought he’d blink anyway. After all, the head of the American Petroleum Institute had issued the most naked political threat imaginable: block the pipeline, he’d told the president in a speech last week, and there will be “huge political consequences.” And of course he has more than enough money to back up the threat.

John Boehner et al may have thought that would work, because money always works with them. Boehner has taken more than a million dollars in donations from the fossil fuel industry; as the Washington Post reported on Sunday, he has hundreds of thousands of his own money invested in tar sands companies . . .

read: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/obama-s-denial-of-keystone-permit-was-a-welcome-win-against-big-oil.html


Robert Redford, actor and outspoken environmentalist, applauded President Obama's decision to reject the Keystone XL pipeline on Wednesday. In a column on the Huffington Post, Redford – who questioned the president's commitment to the environment a few months ago – wrote:

Let's face it: Big Oil is used to getting its way. But not today... and we have President Obama to thank for standing up to them in spite of the political risk.

President Obama has just rejected a permit for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline — a project that promised riches for the oil giants and an environmental disaster for the rest of us.

His decision represents a victory of historic proportions for people from throughout the pipeline path and all across America who have waged an uphill, years-long fight against one of the most nightmarish fossil fuel projects of our time.

read: http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/01/robert-redford-obama-stood-up-to-big-oil-111361.html


Send a message to President Obama telling him that you support him on this decision and that you reject any attempt to revive this project in the future:

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(REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque)
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Keystone Killed! (For Now) (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2012 OP
Canada average 1.17 US for a gallon of gas SecurityManager Jan 2012 #1
The oil would be sold on the open market and actually raise gas prices in the midwest The Straight Story Jan 2012 #3
PS - not to mention the other costs (higher electric costs in some areas) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #4
the republicans forced him to vote on it. the environmental studies couldn't be done in time. spanone Jan 2012 #8
Canada average $4.15 per gallon The Straight Story Jan 2012 #9
Ack I was looking at liter lol n/m SecurityManager Jan 2012 #11
n/p easy to do :) (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #15
Canada average is 1.17 for a LITRE of gas, not a gallon.... SidDithers Jan 2012 #18
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #2
thank you Mr. President spanone Jan 2012 #5
You do know the republicans will label him a job killer? SecurityManager Jan 2012 #6
who cares? they call him shit daily. spanone Jan 2012 #10
Who cares? SecurityManager Jan 2012 #14
Do you think they wouldn't anyway? bhikkhu Jan 2012 #12
republicans? The ones who've blocked every attempt to improve the job situation? bigtree Jan 2012 #13
The Rs gambit actually DELAYED the ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #7
That sounds about right, though I think they might be able to expediate... joshcryer Jan 2012 #16
I hope you're right. bigtree Jan 2012 #17
Resurrect me when it's over. GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #19

SecurityManager

(124 posts)
1. Canada average 1.17 US for a gallon of gas
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jan 2012

I am really shocked the President said no to this?

Canada is oil rich and looking to sell it not to mention "jobs" he keeps talking about.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
4. PS - not to mention the other costs (higher electric costs in some areas)
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:14 PM
Jan 2012

There is not enough electric to run the pumps in some rural areas so additional capacity will have to be added (paid for, at first, by the pipeline but upkeep and employees added would be reflected in higher rates for those local to the area)

spanone

(135,831 posts)
8. the republicans forced him to vote on it. the environmental studies couldn't be done in time.
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:24 PM
Jan 2012

they screwed themselves.

not that many 'jobs' 'that he keeps talking about'

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
9. Canada average $4.15 per gallon
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jan 2012

Today, prices in Canada average $4.15 per gallon, or some $1.23 more than prices in the U.S., according to the chart. At least both countries can look forward to lower gasoline prices throughout the weekend. If you need gasoline this weekend, only get enough to get where you need to go. I anticipate prices by Monday could be under $2.90 on average. Have a great weekend!

http://blog.gasbuddy.com/posts/Comparing-gasoline-prices-in-U-S-and-Canada/1715-408190-298.aspx

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. Canada average is 1.17 for a LITRE of gas, not a gallon....
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jan 2012

3.78 litres in a US gallon means we pay $4.42 per gallon.

Whatever point you were trying to make, you didn't make it.

Sid

SecurityManager

(124 posts)
6. You do know the republicans will label him a job killer?
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jan 2012

I think the President just lost '12 considering the state of debt we are in.

Watch for this to be the only right wing talking point for months

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
12. Do you think they wouldn't anyway?
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:27 PM
Jan 2012

I think trying to please republicans is a dead strategy - they really don't care what he does, its a hatefest 24/7 over there. So the president may as well practice good government, for the benefit of the majority of the country does appreciate it.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
13. republicans? The ones who've blocked every attempt to improve the job situation?
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:28 PM
Jan 2012

The do-nothing republicans?

I think you're lost.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
7. The Rs gambit actually DELAYED the
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:22 PM
Jan 2012

Keystone pipeline more than waiting until 2013 would have, if I understand correctly what I heard on TV/cable tonight.

The President's killing of the pipeline today allegedly means that the current license application cannot be amended to deal with environmental concerns; Canada needs to start the process all over again, which could take YEARS.

Had the Rs waited until 2013 for a final decision, re-routing around aquifers and other environmental amendments could have been possible, according to what I heard on TV/cable.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
16. That sounds about right, though I think they might be able to expediate...
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 10:33 PM
Jan 2012

...the licensing process. Stuff already checked off on pushed through. I still think it'll get built, but I do think their stupid political move backfired (so they can say "Obama canceled keystone, "killed jobs&quot .

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
17. I hope you're right.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:46 AM
Jan 2012

I wouldn't trust, though, that industry won't find another way . . . they usually do. We've got a pretty big following built up right now over the tar sands issue. I'd think they'd be in for a pretty bruising fight if they tried to revive it; the administration included.

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