Can Trump Be Gagged?

[babylonsister]

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/16/can-trump-be-gagged/

Can Trump Be Gagged?
October 16, 2023 at 6:30 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

Politico: “That’s the question at the heart of a federal hearing Monday, when U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan will consider whether to order the former president to stop attacking potential witnesses, prosecutors and court officials involved in his federal case over election fraud.”

“If Chutkan agrees that Trump’s penchant for public invective should be restrained, it will be his first brush with court-ordered consequences in a criminal case — consequences that, at least in theory, could be backed by the threat of jail time.”

“And a gag order would immediately raise two questions that could define his bid to retake the White House: Is Trump capable of abiding by a court-ordered restriction on his speech? And what is Chutkan prepared to do if he isn’t?”

[Irish_Dem]

1. Of course he can be gagged. The question is if the judge has the moral core to do it.

Trump puts everyone connected to the trial in danger.

Will the judge do her job and start protecting them?

Or keep protecting Trump?

[SalamanderSleeps]

2. Step one: replace his Secret Service detail.

Step Two: If he gets mouthy have them take him to jail.

Sorted.

[2naSalit]

26. +1

[doc03]

3. Please let me do it, I will first cut his tongue out. nt

[SalamanderSleeps]

5. I understand your passion.

He has hurt a lot of people. He's and his entire crew are reptiles. However, cutting his tongue out would be an unmanageable disruption of norms.

The fascists in the GOP would love to see us act as badly as they do.

(Still, if you slipped him some Ex-lax on the way to jail I would find it very hard to say anything about it.)

[tavernier]

6. Ata boy!

It won’t stop him though. His words don’t make a lick of sense when he has a tongue so he’ll just keep on grunting and growling and wiggling his tiny little fingers, and his cultists will whoop and applaud.

[RocRizzo55]

17. I wouldn't go that far

An old smelly sock and some duct tape would suffice

[no_hypocrisy]

4. I find the argument that TFG is running for President to be irrelevant.

He's indicted. He's going to trial. His right to "free speech" is qualified.

He can talk about his proposed policies. He can criticize his political opponents.

He can't talk about his place in the Judicial System.

[SalamanderSleeps]

7. +1000

We are a nation of laws and everyone needs to realize that, even the GOP, and especially the MAGATs.

[2naSalit]

27. Exactly.

The best thing to do is surround him with a prison. Restriction apply there, a lot of hoop jumping would be required to let him have access to the public in any way.

[Ray Bruns]

8. Would something like this work?

https://www.amazon.com/THAT-NIGHT-All-Inclusive-Headgear-Punishment/dp/B09DG59LLN

[CTyankee]

9. Amazon has THAT? dear god..

"comfortable and lightweight"

[SalamanderSleeps]

11. Wow, and it comes in so many pretty colors.

Maybe they have one that's big enough to fit Rudy, too.

[Mickju]

21. That would be ideal.

[twodogsbarking]

10. He could be decapitated and still wouldn't shut up.

[rambler_american]

13. Maybe

Maybe we should test that particular hypothesis.

[MOMFUDSKI]

12. Yes.

Anybody got a sock?

[Blue Owl]

35. Or an apple, and a spit?

[Celerity]

14. here you go

[KS Toronado]

30. This image from the Russian pee tapes?

[usonian]

15. He needs a shock collar.

Controlled by kids with handheld game consoles.


Wow! This is FUN!

[gab13by13]

16. Politico wrote a piss poor article,

Not much there - there in its article. Too many rhetorical questions.

[joshdawg]

18. I'm still not sure why this "thing" is not locked up already.

What kind of gag order does it take to shut him up? He's laughing at the legal system and the system is letting him get away with it.
Why the hell are so many legal folks afraid of him? He's an ordinary citizen, just like you and me. I don't get it.
All the indictments and still he's walking around spewing hate and discontent with the legal system, threatening prospective jurors, bad mouthing judges and his own lawyers and nothing happens to him!
I. Don't. Get. It.

[CousinIT]

22. +1 n/t

[ancianita]

23. Due. Process. Under the U.S. Constitution. He gets it. The court HAS to give it.

OR ELSE, in the United States v Trump, the United States loses. That's us.

[joshdawg]

41. My question was rhetorical, but thank you.

[ancianita]

42. Now why didn't I get that?! Welcome?

[joshdawg]

43. Maybe mindless spewing on my part?

[ancianita]

44. I was just

asking rhetorically.

[Lonestarblue]

19. I hope the judge issues a gag order but also promises to move the trial date forward by a month

every time Trump violates it. Within a week, the new trial date would be January!

[RobertDevereaux]

20. Glenn K's impassioned and informed take..

[Joinfortmill]

24. Let him talk. He's clearly demented (in the medical sense)

[Blue Owl]

34. Let him talk -- but this time incarcerate him as soon as he incriminates himself again

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

37. No, he's not

He's a narcissist, and narcissists will say *anything* to win an argument. It doesn't matter if it's true or or cruel or stupid, they'll say it.

If you've never dealt with one, up close and personal, you have no idea what can come out of their mouths when they want to protect their egos, or when they hold a grudge.

I have. My father was the malignant variety, and my mother was the garden-variety narcissist. The things that I've witnessed them saying--even to their own family (including me)--would shock you. And, if they're really sick, they'll get other people to say it for them. Like when my da used to to have toddler me running around the house saying "Mummy's ugly!" For the cruelty of it.

My own mum calls me ugly and fat when she's mad at me when I disagree with her and *especially* when I'm winning an argument. She said it when I put on some weight in my later years. She said it when I was a teen model weighing around 105 at 5'5". IOW, she's said it all of my life.

It isn't dementia that makes them say these things that sound demented *to you.* It's their narcissistic rage/injury that makes it okay to say anything to win.

[Wicked Blue]

25. Duct tape fixes a lot of things

[2naSalit]

29. Exactly!

It's not like it isn't something he he would do.

[Conjuay]

33. As they say

Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

[panfluteman]

28. What Merrick Garland's DOJ Suffers from Is a Terrible Lack of Cojones -

And it may even be a terminal lack of cojones, if they allow Trump to ride roughshod over the whole legal system and keep stalling things until he's able to get back into the White House in 2024 / 25. Unfortunately, a mental image that I have of Garland is someone who is always holding his finger up to see which way the political wind is blowing. Glenn Kirschner is absolutely right - Garland's judges and DOJ have all the means and tools at their disposal - but do they have the political will and cojones to use them???

[drray23]

32. that's not up to the doj.

the department of Justice controls the prosecutors, not the judges. It's an issue for the judge.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

38. Oh FFS

Merrick Garland has bloody bugger all to do with issuing a gag order.

Why do people expect things of people that they are not legally permitted to do?

Does no one bother to learn the mere basics of how the judicial system works?

[flying_wahini]

31. It strikes me that during the videos of his depositions he always 'remembers' to take the 5th.

Also he ‘forgets’ to not say things he shouldn’t.
He’s playing us and the MAGA crowd too.
Maybe he needs to start his trial next week instead of next year.

A few convicted felonies under his belt will clamp his mouth shut, I believe.
OR have him arrested and spend ONE night in a Georgia jail. I think he might actually get the message.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

39. He won't learn anything from it

Because he's too stupid and self-centered for that.

The best we can hope for is how it will amuse us for that miserable slob to be in jail. And to show even the faintest sign of a functioning and functional justice system.

Good enough reason for me.

[onecaliberal]

36. Of course he can be, it's just a matter of someone having the intestinal fortitude to do it.

[D23MIURG23]

40. She can and did gag him, but will she enforce it?

What happens when he violates the order? Because of course he'll violate the order - probably by the end of the day.

He isn't going to care all that much about monetary sanctions unless she can impose some VERY HIGH sanctions. Will she be willing to move the trial up, or impose more restrictions on his bail? Is she willing to throw him in the can? I hope she's willing to do something that will MAKE him care about the consequences.

[Cha]

45. Dunno.. can terminal Diarrhea

of the mouth be stopped?