There are daily OPs here about how much Israel is doing to the people of Gaza

[brooklynite]

Can anyone point to an OP criticizing Egypt for keeping the border closed?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. Nope

In fact, I see “Countries should be able to determine whether or not they open their borders” ( I agree), and “Palestinians shouldn’t have to leave Gaza” (also true, although staying certainly increases the risk of injury or death).

[brush]

2. Probably the same reason Israel keeps it's borders closed.

As do most countries.

[Hekate]

3. 'Fraid not, and am I ever sick of it

[PCIntern]

4. Yeah...but Israel's emails....

[Hekate]

5. And there you have it

[Maru Kitteh]

20. Strange beyond belief and yet somehow so bloody familiar. nt

[revmclaren]

9. Shades of another recent time of disinformation.

I would say more but I don't want to be alerted on.

?si=6RgBAbximKVmiLR2

[The Magistrate]

6. It's A Thing Can't Be Said Too Often, Sir

There would not have been one bomb dropped on Gaza over the past several weeks, but for the atrocities Hamas committed on October 7. All supplies would be continuing as usual, but for the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7. Many hundreds of people now dead in Gaza would be alive, but for the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7. Many more will die who would not have, but for the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7.

[revmclaren]

10. Thank you sir.

Eloquently stated and so true.

[cachukis]

18. I took a course in college where the professor

handed out a paper from Harper's Weekly or something similar, depicting John Wilkes Booth, hobbled on stage below the opera loge at Ford's Theater where Abraham Lincoln began his death throws.

Our task, was to consider this, the center of a maelstrom, what consumed America, for some years before and for some years after.

The moment captivates us all, but the comings and goings spread the panorama we all need to consider.

Our final was the analysis of an aspect that clarified a coming or going.

Learned a lot about how the world sees things.

[Hekate]

35. Sir, I thank you

[David__77]

7. "But [country X]" is not the most compelling narrative.

...perhaps it is, and that will win the people's minds and hearts.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. And I see ZERO criticism here of Hamas for imprisoning Palestinians in a combat zone

with every intent to use their suffering, their starvation, their mutilation, their deaths as Hamas propaganda.

[DemocraticPatriot]

36. Obviously you have not read enough posts...

or are pretending that you have not read them

[LiberaBlueDem]

11. Is it Egpyt?

Or is it the Israelis?

The only real solution might be that Palestine be made to have all its lands restored?

[brooklynite]

12. And if Palestine reverted to the 1948 border lines, Hamas would retire?

[radicalleft]

15. Would the settlers leave the WB?

There's a lot to consider for that to be a reality

[Igel]

21. Listened to a "Palestinian representative" today talking.

Back to the '67 borders.

*And* with the rights of Palestinians to return to their homeland.

Then they could accept a 2-state solution. The gullible (naive, fellow-traveller) reporter didn't ask, "Does that mean millions of Palestinians returning to Israel proper?" but it's fairly clear and the Palestinian Authority, who was asked to speak for Hamas when he couldn't, didn't offer more information.

He also couldn't bring himself to say ill about Hamas, to be honest. If the settlers left the WB, it would be like the peace deal with the PA when Israel pulled out of Gaza. Then those who legit bought land left. There was destruction of things because they were Jewish, not Muslim. And then the militancy, built on triumphalist Islamicist victory, only grew. Now extend that to the WB.

First, get Israel to be accepted in principle. Then, perhaps, their grandchildren's kids might be able to work out a deal.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

25. The Palestinians

Will never be allowed to return to Israel.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

14. Which lands? N/t

[elias7]

17. When you engage in multi-nat attack in '48, '56, '67, '73, you lose ground.

When you are offered and reject a two state solution time after time after time after time, because you were promised the Jews would be washed to the sea, you don’t get the previous offer you rejected.

Palestinians never agreed to any land, therefore there’s technically nothing to restore.

If they were to agree to live in peace, maybe then a deal could start. Until they acknowledge Israel’s right to exists, how can negotiations start?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. Which lands?

[summer_in_TX]

33. Or is it Hamas?

Tony Blinken blamed Hamas for the border not opening yet, but the Qataris’ negotiations supposedly are getting close to a breakthrough on opening the border, at least as far as allowing non-Palestinians to leave.

[sl8]

13. This what my search turned up:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218368320
Why won't Egypt open up their border?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218386475
Why don't Egypt and Jordan...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218356438
Why will Egypt not let the women children old in Gaza cross their borders to get out of the way

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218355092
Egypt rejects humanitarian civilian corridor for Gaza civilians

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218348618
Why isn't the world slamming Egypt for not allowing evacuations?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218384407
If Egypt refuses to allow aid into Gaza

[dpibel]

27. Odd, isn't it?

The OP asks for something, gets it, and the response is silence.

I mean, it was a specific request. You answered it. I answered it (not as well as you).

Now what? Clearly the OP was seeking information. Now that he has it, what next?

[sl8]

28. Probably a rhetorical question.

I thought it might be, but it did make me curious

[dpibel]

31. True dat, but rhetorical questions only work

when there is but one answer. You're supposed to go, "Well, duh!" not "Here are the examples you 'asked for.'"

[dpibel]

16. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218368320

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218356438
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218348618

[msongs]

19. not related issues. the issue is who is dropping thousands of bombs these days nt

[Igel]

22. That gets confusing real quick.

"Yesterday, Russia dropped more bombs on Ukrainians than Ukrainians on Russians. The Ukrainians are right. Russian hands off of Ukraine!

"Today, Ukraine dropped more pounds of munitions on Russians than Russians on Ukrainians. Stop Ukrainian oppression of Russians!"

My phrasing? Hamas pulled the trigger on the Israeli gun aimed at their population's throat. No pulling of the trigger, no stack of bodies.

[The Magistrate]

26. Cold But Fair, Sir

"Hamas pulled the trigger on the Israeli gun aimed at their population's throat. No pulling of the trigger, no stack of bodies."


Inability to do worse is just that, a contingent limit, not some legal or moral sticking point.

[Patton French]

24. Clearly, you're missing the point.

[mcar]

29. Or one criticizing other Arab countries for refusing to help

their Palestinian brethren?

[moniss]

30. It's been discussed ad nauseum

[Cha]

32. No.. but Evidently Egypt Did Mediate a Ceasefire on May 13, 2023

Between Hamas & Israel..

Israel and Palestinians agree to cease-fire ending days of fighting and bloodshed

May 13, 2023

TEL AVIV — Israel and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have agreed to a cease-fire ending five days of fighting between the two sides, one U.S. official and one Israeli official told NBC News on Saturday.

The cease-fire was mediated by Egypt and will start at 10 p.m. local time.
“Now, this agreement has been reached thanks to continuous Egyptian effort. We appreciate this effort,” Mohamad al-Hindi told the Al Kahera Wal Nas channel.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-palestinians-agree-ceasefire-ending-days-fighting-bloodshed-rcna84300

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-palestinians-agree-ceasefire-ending-days-fighting-bloodshed-rcna84300

Which HAMAS ENDED on October 7, 2023

[summer_in_TX]

34. Is Egypt solely to blame?

Anthony Blinken attributes the non opening of the border to Hamas, according to an NPR report today. See #33 above.

[FHRRK]

37. Extremely complex situation and people on both sides try to make it easy

Let's say in 1948 it was decided that Baja California would be given as a homeland.

Then in 2023 a group funded by a Mexican drug cartel murdered innocent people at a festival in Tijuana and murdered thousands down to Ensenada.

The proposed solution is to allow those original inhabitants and offspring in BC to relocate to a neighboring Country after multiple generations of radicalization.

Think about the impact of the US opening borders to allow people in! You my as well shut down all political discussion because the side trying to work a solution would be DONE!