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Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) slammed President Biden in a vicious video saying he supports genocide and threatening to defeat him in 2024 if he didnt force a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.
https://politicalwire.com/2023/11/04/rashida-tlaib-threatens-biden-in-brutal-genocide-ad/
CincyDem
(7,320 posts)All signs point to trump being on the other side of the ticket
so if not Biden, then Trump. Hows that gonna work out for her? She thinking trump will make her Homeland Secretary or maybe SoS?
To steal the quote
Comon man.
walkingman
(10,370 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)enid602
(9,619 posts)Whats the difference between that slogan and the concept of Eretz Yisrael?
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)RainWalker
(605 posts)I'm unfamiliar with this. When I look it up I get many results which don't seem to explain it with the context given here.
Thank you.

A map which shows Eretz Yisroel as it was divided during Biblical times. This map shows the portion of each Shevet as well as the nations who lived in the surrounding lands. This map is an excellent visual aid for students, who will gain a better understanding of the stories from Jewish history and Navi.
The Mitzvah of Eretz Yisrael - Rav Shlomo Katz
https://soundcloud.com/shlomo-katz/the-mitzvah-of-eretz-yisrael-1-rav-shlomo-katz

Igel
(37,395 posts)enjoy much popularity.
Got thermite plasma?
Celerity
(53,744 posts)https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-lawmaker-bezalel-smotrich-declares-himself-his-family-real-palestinians/

Far-right lawmaker Bezalel Smotrich said Sunday that the Palestinian people were an invention from the last century and that people like himself and his grandparents were the real Palestinians.
Speaking in Paris at a private memorial service for prominent right-wing Likud activist and Jewish Agency board member Jacques Kupfer, who passed away after a long battle with cancer in 2021, Smotrich said there was no such thing as Palestinians because theres no such thing as the Palestinian people, a comment that was met with applause and cheers from attendees, as seen in a video from the event posted online.
Do you know who are the Palestinians? asked the head of the ultranationalist Religious Zionism party and Israels finance minister. Im Palestinian, he said, also mentioning his grandmother who was born in the northern Israeli town of Metula 100 years ago, and his grandfather, a 13th-generation Jerusalemite, as the real Palestinians. Smotrich was speaking from a podium that featured a map of Greater Israel that included the territory of modern-day Jordan, in accordance with hardline aspirations by some early Zionist groups.
Smotrich has a history of making inflammatory statements against Palestinians, Arab citizens of Israel, non-Orthodox Jews, and the LGBTQ community including once declaring himself a proud homophobe. In 2021, he said David Ben-Gurion, Israels first prime minister, should have finished the job and kicked all Arabs out of the country when it was founded. Earlier that same year, he said members of Israels Arab minority communities were citizens for now at least.
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"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, Sunday Times, 15 June 1969
"How can we return the held territories? There is nobody to return them to."Meir (March 8, 1969)
"It is not as though there was a Palestinian people ... and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them ... they did not exist."Meir (Sunday Times, June 15, 1969; Washington Post, June 16, 1969)
Celerity
(53,744 posts)"A land without a people for a people without a land" is a widely cited phrase associated with the movement to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine during the 19th and 20th centuries. Its historicity and significance are a matter of contention. Although it became a Jewish Zionist slogan, the phrase was originally used as early as 1843 by a Christian Restorationist clergyman, and the phrase continued to be used for almost a century predominantly by Christian Restorationists. Alan Dowty and Diana Muir have claimed that this phrase never came into widespread use among Jewish Zionists. Anita Shapira stated to the contrary that it "was common among Zionists at the end of the nineteenth, and the beginning of the twentieth century."
Interpretation of the phrase by scholars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land#Interpretation_of_the_phrase_by_scholars
A common interpretation of the phrase has been as an expression of the land being empty of inhabitants. Others have argued that in the phrase, "a people" is defined as a nation. Historian Keith Whitelam and Christian activist Mitri Raheb claim that Zionists used this phrase to present Palestine as being "without inhabitants". Literary scholar Edward Said, who held it to exemplify a kind of thinking that hopes to "cancel and transcend an actual realitya group of resident Arabsby means of a future wish that the land be empty for development by a more deserving power". In his book The Question of Palestine, Said cites the phrase in this wording, "A land without people for a people without a land". S. Ilan Troen and Jacob Lassner call Said's omission of the indefinite article 'a,' a "distortion" of the meaning and suggest that it was done "perhaps malevolently" for the purpose of making the phrase acquire the meaning that Said and others impute to it, that Zionists thought that the land was or wanted to make it into a land "without people".[ Historian Adam Garfinkle criticizes Said for writing "without people" instead of "without a people", which he says substantially changes the meaning.
Historian Rashid Khalidi concurs with Said, interpreting the slogan as expressing the Zionist claim that Palestine was empty: "In the early days of the Zionist movement, many of its European supportersand othersbelieved that Palestine was empty and sparsely cultivated. This view was widely propagated by some of the movement's leading thinkers and writers, such as Theodor Herzl, Chaim Nachman Bialik, and Max Mandelstamm. It was summed up in the widely propagated Zionist slogan, 'A land without a people for a people without a land'". Muir criticized Khalidi for failing to acknowledge the distinction between "a people" and people. Citing two examples of Khalidi's understanding of "a people" as a phrase referring to an ethnically identified population, she charges Khalidi with "misunderstand(ing) the phrase 'a people' only when discussing the phrase 'land without a people.'"
Norman Finkelstein interprets the phrase as an attempt by Zionists to deny a Palestinian nation. Historian Avi Shlaim states that the slogan employed by Zangwill was used for propaganda purposes, but that from the outset Zionist leaders were aware that "their aim of establishing a Jewish state in a territory inhabited by an Arab community could not be achieved without inducing, by one means or another, a large number of Arabs to leave Palestine." Anita Shapira wrote that the phrase was common among Zionists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries and "contained a legitimation of the Jewish claim to the land and did away with any sense of uneasiness that a competitor to this claim might appear". Boaz Neumann also wrote that the early Zionist pioneers used the phrase, citing a book of David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi. The writings of Zionist pioneers (Halutzim) were full of expressions of Palestine as an empty and desolate land.
Historian Nur Masalha regards the phrase as evidence of a Zionist intention of carrying out a program of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arab population a program euphemistically called "transfer". According to Masalha, Zionist demographic "racism" and Zionist obsession with the Palestinian "demographic threat" have "informed the thinking of Israeli officials since the creation of the state of Israel".
Ghada Karmi and Eugene Cotran interpret the phrase as part of a deliberate ignoring, not expressing a lack of awareness of the existence of Palestinian Arabs on the part of Zionists and, later, Israelis, but, rather, the fact that Zionists and Israelis preferred to pretend that Palestinian Arabs did not exist and the fact that Jews wished they would go away. Nur Masalha, contributing to an edited collection by Ghada Karmi and Eugene Cotran, cites Israel's leading satirist Dan Ben-Amotz, who observed that "the Arabs do not exist in our textbooks [for children]. This is apparently in accordance with the Jewish-Zionist-socialist principles we have received. "A-people-without-a-land-returns-to-a-land-without-people".
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Israel, the modern nation state is very young, only around since 1948. If you go back just 100 years there were only around 84,000 Jews there, 140 years ago only 24,000. There also is an overwhelming lack of historical Jewish control (on balance) of Jerusalem and much of the surrounding area as the last 6 and a half or so millennia rolled by.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present




^The British mandate for Palestine, which began in 1922, ended prior to Israels declaration of independence on May 14, 1948. The Arab states invaded, and following the war, Palestine ceased to exist. The figures for 1948 are for the State of Israel. The figures prior to 1970 do not include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, or the Golan Heights, which were occupied by Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, respectively. From 1970, the figures only include citizens of Israel and not Palestinians living in the disputed territories. *As of September 14, 2023

NickB79
(20,251 posts)There was no free Palestinian state prior to the creation of Israel. Palestine was a geographic area, controlled over the past millenia by a wide number of empires and religious groups. That includes Jewish people.
Only in the 20th century did the idea of a free Palestine take shape.
https://www.un.org/unispal/history/
RainWalker
(605 posts)This help me.
Celerity
(53,744 posts)RainWalker
(605 posts)I've lurked awhile & am very ill in nursing care so I figured signing up and getting some human interaction with like minded people would be healthy for me. Thank you for the welcome.
Celerity
(53,744 posts)RainWalker
(605 posts)I want to see a lot of the world yet and I'm keeping very positive though it's difficult.
I'm doing my best though
Eretz Yisrael, means 'The land of Israel.' It does not mean that there is exclusion of anyone, nor the destruction or death of an entire population. "From the River to the Sea" is a slogan that calls for the eradication of the political State of Israel and the Jewish people. It's a radical statement.
That's the difference.
spooky3
(38,297 posts)leftstreet
(38,902 posts)Surely the consultants and advisors have given party leaders the straight scoop on polling and visuals
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,604 posts)... I think I'll vote for a different Dem in the next primary.
I hope we're not stuck with her.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)justgamma
(3,691 posts)Biden could force a ceasefire? He's not a miracle worker.
Celerity
(53,744 posts)Captain Stern
(2,249 posts)In this case, "ceasefire" just means Israel should cease firing. Hamas has already clearly stated that they will never cease firing.
And how would we force a ceasefire, anyway? By bombing them?
Celerity
(53,744 posts)

rollin74
(2,279 posts)Hamas ain't interested in a cease fire
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18417242
Igel
(37,395 posts)dead civilians are "martyrs."
And martyrs have a special blessing and place in where Muslims believe their good go after death.
EX500rider
(12,205 posts)Mysterian
(6,187 posts)I hope they find an adult to replace her next election.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,983 posts)Which she tries to explain as totally not calling for the elimination of Israel.
Many of the other people who use that phrase, like Hamas, would disagree.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)PufPuf23
(9,710 posts)Have the faith in his wisdom. POTUS Biden is the best opportunity for the fewest harmed on the flip side of the crisis in Israel.
Rep. Tlaib has lost her mind.
Best to get a strong Democratic candidate ready ASAP for next primaries.
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madaboutharry
(42,028 posts)Because that is what it sounds like youre saying.
JCMach1
(29,096 posts)FFS
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Not only is she wrong, her position is going to cost votes in 2024. Democrats should roundly reject her position
FalloutShelter
(14,199 posts)Of a government she does not trust.
Mme. Defarge
(8,896 posts)She would rather have a POTUS who has promised/threatened to deport Muslims living in the U.S.?
Back in the day this would have been called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(133,042 posts)You think Trump or any other Republican will do better?
betsuni
(28,754 posts)Make it about personality, a hidden corrupt and immoral warmongering about to emerge any minute.
Obama was drones drones drones drones, NATO military events reported as unilateral American aggression, he was going to start WWIII any minute. Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Iraq War, would start WWIII one second after being sworn in as president, "Queen of the warmongers." Now Biden with "broken promises," plotting to start WWIII any minute.
What's the goal of this? Who paid for the ad?
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,251 posts)Tlaib is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.
Link to tweet
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/michigan-democrats-bash-tlaib-palestine-comments-00125429
On Friday, Tlaib, who is the only Palestinian American member of Congress, tweeted that From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.
Senate President Pro Tempore Jeremy Moss, a Democrat, tweeted on Saturday, Hamas uses it as a rallying cry. And they dont simply want to displace Jews in Israel. They want Jews dead.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel also condemned Tlaibs defense of the slogan, tweeting @RashidaTlaib, I have supported and defended you countless times, even when you have said the indefensible, because I believed you to be a good person whose heart was in the right place.
But this is so hurtful to so many. Please retract this cruel and hateful remark, Nessel continued.