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RandySF

(81,275 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 01:35 PM Nov 2023

Rashida Tlaib Threatens Biden In Brutal 'Genocide' Ad

Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) slammed President Biden in a vicious video saying he supports genocide and threatening to defeat him in 2024 if he didn’t force a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.


https://politicalwire.com/2023/11/04/rashida-tlaib-threatens-biden-in-brutal-genocide-ad/

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Rashida Tlaib Threatens Biden In Brutal 'Genocide' Ad (Original Post) RandySF Nov 2023 OP
Defeat him with who? CincyDem Nov 2023 #1
Someone might need to remind her of the alternative...doesn't make any sense. walkingman Nov 2023 #2
Perhaps Tlaib should look in the mirror when she says someone supports genocide when she spouts river to the sea JohnSJ Nov 2023 #3
River to the sea enid602 Nov 2023 #6
That is an extremist point of view, just like she is spouting JohnSJ Nov 2023 #7
What is "Eretz Yisrael" ? RainWalker Nov 2023 #10
here Celerity Nov 2023 #17
Not sure that those wanting to annex a big chunk of in transJ-ordan Igel Nov 2023 #19
Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says there's no Palestinian people, declares his family 'real Palestinians' Celerity Nov 2023 #22
Golda enid602 Nov 2023 #31
A land without a people for a people without a land Celerity Nov 2023 #34
I'm not seeing your point NickB79 Nov 2023 #37
Thank you kindly RainWalker Nov 2023 #33
yw and welcome to DU Celerity Nov 2023 #35
Well thank you once again RainWalker Nov 2023 #39
oh no! I SO hope you quickly recover Celerity Nov 2023 #40
We'll see, I hope so too RainWalker Nov 2023 #41
Literally Mossfern Nov 2023 #14
I wish speaker emerita Pelosi would have a word with her. Nt spooky3 Nov 2023 #4
Maybe she has leftstreet Nov 2023 #15
I know we're supposed to support Democrats, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2023 #5
Only if you are in her district JohnSJ Nov 2023 #8
How does she think justgamma Nov 2023 #9
she did not use 'force', see post 24 Celerity Nov 2023 #29
'Force' a ceasefire.....what a sad joke Captain Stern Nov 2023 #11
That 'force' part is an editorial invention of Taegan Goddard Celerity Nov 2023 #24
She says this even after Hamas has publicly stated that they will do Oct. 7 style attacks again and again?? rollin74 Nov 2023 #12
And safe from Qatar, Igel Nov 2023 #20
Well "involuntary martyrs" as Hamas like to say EX500rider Nov 2023 #26
Stupid ass Tlaib can pack sand Mysterian Nov 2023 #13
The video shows marchers chanting "from the river to the sea" BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #16
And also"stolen land" brooklynite Nov 2023 #25
At present, POTUS Joe Biden is walking the precipice for us all. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #21
Are you implying that Jews have too much power on DU? madaboutharry Nov 2023 #36
Know your enemies... Biden isn't it... JCMach1 Nov 2023 #23
Really hoping someone primaries her TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #27
Perhaps she should not be a representative FalloutShelter Nov 2023 #28
So, let me get this straight. . . Mme. Defarge Nov 2023 #30
Cutting off your nose to spite your face? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #32
"Democrats are the real warmongers" style attack. Never give benefit of doubt, assume nefarious intent. betsuni Nov 2023 #38
Michigan Democrats bash Tlaib for Palestinian comments LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #42
Good. betsuni Nov 2023 #43

CincyDem

(7,320 posts)
1. Defeat him with who?
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 01:43 PM
Nov 2023

All signs point to trump being on the other side of the ticket…so if not Biden, then Trump. How’s that gonna work out for her? She thinking trump will make her Homeland Secretary or maybe SoS?

To steal the quote…”Com’on man”.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
3. Perhaps Tlaib should look in the mirror when she says someone supports genocide when she spouts river to the sea
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 01:56 PM
Nov 2023

enid602

(9,619 posts)
6. River to the sea
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 02:07 PM
Nov 2023

What’s the difference between that slogan and the concept of Eretz Yisrael?

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
10. What is "Eretz Yisrael" ?
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:09 PM
Nov 2023

I'm unfamiliar with this. When I look it up I get many results which don't seem to explain it with the context given here.

Thank you.

Celerity

(53,744 posts)
17. here
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:00 PM
Nov 2023
https://www.waldereducation.org/map-of-eretz-yisrael/bnajh13-rl001/



A map which shows Eretz Yisroel as it was divided during Biblical times. This map shows the portion of each Shevet as well as the nations who lived in the surrounding lands. This map is an excellent visual aid for students, who will gain a better understanding of the stories from Jewish history and Navi.


There also is a more expansive geographical interpretation, taken by the ultra RW zionists who make up a large chunk of Netanyahu's coalition.

The Mitzvah of Eretz Yisrael - Rav Shlomo Katz

https://soundcloud.com/shlomo-katz/the-mitzvah-of-eretz-yisrael-1-rav-shlomo-katz





Igel

(37,395 posts)
19. Not sure that those wanting to annex a big chunk of in transJ-ordan
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:04 PM
Nov 2023

enjoy much popularity.

Got thermite plasma?

Celerity

(53,744 posts)
22. Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says there's no Palestinian people, declares his family 'real Palestinians'
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:13 PM
Nov 2023
In Paris, far-right minister says Palestinian nation is ‘an invention of past 100 years,’ and ‘world should hear this truth’; speaks in front of Israel map that includes Jordan

https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-lawmaker-bezalel-smotrich-declares-himself-his-family-real-palestinians/



Far-right lawmaker Bezalel Smotrich said Sunday that the Palestinian people were “an invention” from the last century and that people like himself and his grandparents were the “real Palestinians.”

Speaking in Paris at a private memorial service for prominent right-wing Likud activist and Jewish Agency board member Jacques Kupfer, who passed away after a long battle with cancer in 2021, Smotrich said there was “no such thing as Palestinians because there’s no such thing as the Palestinian people,” a comment that was met with applause and cheers from attendees, as seen in a video from the event posted online.

“Do you know who are the Palestinians?” asked the head of the ultranationalist Religious Zionism party and Israel’s finance minister. “I’m Palestinian,” he said, also mentioning his grandmother who was born in the northern Israeli town of Metula 100 years ago, and his grandfather, a 13th-generation Jerusalemite, as the “real Palestinians.” Smotrich was speaking from a podium that featured a map of “Greater Israel” that included the territory of modern-day Jordan, in accordance with hardline aspirations by some early Zionist groups.

Smotrich has a history of making inflammatory statements against Palestinians, Arab citizens of Israel, non-Orthodox Jews, and the LGBTQ community including once declaring himself a “proud homophobe.” In 2021, he said David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, should have “finished the job” and kicked all Arabs out of the country when it was founded. Earlier that same year, he said members of Israel’s Arab minority communities were citizens “for now at least.”

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enid602

(9,619 posts)
31. Golda
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:00 PM
Nov 2023

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian."—Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, Sunday Times, 15 June 1969
"How can we return the held territories? There is nobody to return them to."—Meir (March 8, 1969)
"It is not as though there was a Palestinian people ... and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them ... they did not exist."—Meir (Sunday Times, June 15, 1969; Washington Post, June 16, 1969)

Celerity

(53,744 posts)
34. A land without a people for a people without a land
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:26 PM
Nov 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

"A land without a people for a people without a land" is a widely cited phrase associated with the movement to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine during the 19th and 20th centuries. Its historicity and significance are a matter of contention. Although it became a Jewish Zionist slogan, the phrase was originally used as early as 1843 by a Christian Restorationist clergyman, and the phrase continued to be used for almost a century predominantly by Christian Restorationists. Alan Dowty and Diana Muir have claimed that this phrase never came into widespread use among Jewish Zionists. Anita Shapira stated to the contrary that it "was common among Zionists at the end of the nineteenth, and the beginning of the twentieth century."


Interpretation of the phrase by scholars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land#Interpretation_of_the_phrase_by_scholars

An expression of the Zionist vision of an empty land

A common interpretation of the phrase has been as an expression of the land being empty of inhabitants. Others have argued that in the phrase, "a people" is defined as a nation. Historian Keith Whitelam and Christian activist Mitri Raheb claim that Zionists used this phrase to present Palestine as being "without inhabitants". Literary scholar Edward Said, who held it to exemplify a kind of thinking that hopes to "cancel and transcend an actual reality—a group of resident Arabs—by means of a future wish – that the land be empty for development by a more deserving power". In his book The Question of Palestine, Said cites the phrase in this wording, "A land without people for a people without a land". S. Ilan Troen and Jacob Lassner call Said's omission of the indefinite article 'a,' a "distortion" of the meaning and suggest that it was done "perhaps malevolently" for the purpose of making the phrase acquire the meaning that Said and others impute to it, that Zionists thought that the land was or wanted to make it into a land "without people".[ Historian Adam Garfinkle criticizes Said for writing "without people" instead of "without a people", which he says substantially changes the meaning.

Historian Rashid Khalidi concurs with Said, interpreting the slogan as expressing the Zionist claim that Palestine was empty: "In the early days of the Zionist movement, many of its European supporters—and others—believed that Palestine was empty and sparsely cultivated. This view was widely propagated by some of the movement's leading thinkers and writers, such as Theodor Herzl, Chaim Nachman Bialik, and Max Mandelstamm. It was summed up in the widely propagated Zionist slogan, 'A land without a people for a people without a land'". Muir criticized Khalidi for failing to acknowledge the distinction between "a people" and people. Citing two examples of Khalidi's understanding of "a people" as a phrase referring to an ethnically identified population, she charges Khalidi with "misunderstand(ing) the phrase 'a people' only when discussing the phrase 'land without a people.'"

Norman Finkelstein interprets the phrase as an attempt by Zionists to deny a Palestinian nation. Historian Avi Shlaim states that the slogan employed by Zangwill was used for propaganda purposes, but that from the outset Zionist leaders were aware that "their aim of establishing a Jewish state in a territory inhabited by an Arab community could not be achieved without inducing, by one means or another, a large number of Arabs to leave Palestine." Anita Shapira wrote that the phrase was common among Zionists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries and "contained a legitimation of the Jewish claim to the land and did away with any sense of uneasiness that a competitor to this claim might appear". Boaz Neumann also wrote that the early Zionist pioneers used the phrase, citing a book of David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi. The writings of Zionist pioneers (Halutzim) were full of expressions of Palestine as an empty and desolate land.


An expression of the intention of ethnic cleansing

Historian Nur Masalha regards the phrase as evidence of a Zionist intention of carrying out a program of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arab population – a program euphemistically called "transfer". According to Masalha, Zionist demographic "racism" and Zionist obsession with the Palestinian "demographic threat" have "informed the thinking of Israeli officials since the creation of the state of Israel".


An expression of the wish that the Arabs would go away

Ghada Karmi and Eugene Cotran interpret the phrase as part of a deliberate ignoring, not expressing a lack of awareness of the existence of Palestinian Arabs on the part of Zionists and, later, Israelis, but, rather, the fact that Zionists and Israelis preferred to pretend that Palestinian Arabs did not exist and the fact that Jews wished they would go away. Nur Masalha, contributing to an edited collection by Ghada Karmi and Eugene Cotran, cites Israel's leading satirist Dan Ben-Amotz, who observed that "the Arabs do not exist in our textbooks [for children]. This is apparently in accordance with the Jewish-Zionist-socialist principles we have received. "A-people-without-a-land-returns-to-a-land-without-people".


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Israel, the modern nation state is very young, only around since 1948. If you go back just 100 years there were only around 84,000 Jews there, 140 years ago only 24,000. There also is an overwhelming lack of historical Jewish control (on balance) of Jerusalem and much of the surrounding area as the last 6 and a half or so millennia rolled by.



https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present






^The British mandate for Palestine, which began in 1922, ended prior to Israel’s declaration of independence on May 14, 1948. The Arab states invaded, and following the war, Palestine ceased to exist. The figures for 1948 are for the State of Israel. The figures prior to 1970 do not include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, or the Golan Heights, which were occupied by Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, respectively. From 1970, the figures only include citizens of Israel and not Palestinians living in the disputed territories. *As of September 14, 2023

NickB79

(20,251 posts)
37. I'm not seeing your point
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:42 PM
Nov 2023

There was no free Palestinian state prior to the creation of Israel. Palestine was a geographic area, controlled over the past millenia by a wide number of empires and religious groups. That includes Jewish people.

Only in the 20th century did the idea of a free Palestine take shape.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/

Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. All of these territories eventually became fully independent States, except Palestine, where in addition to “the rendering of administrative assistance and advice” the British Mandate incorporated the “Balfour Declaration” of 1917, expressing support for “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”. During the Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the Nazi persecution. Arab demands for independence and resistance to immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides. UK considered various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, the UK turned the Palestine problem over to the UN.
 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
39. Well thank you once again
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:52 PM
Nov 2023

I've lurked awhile & am very ill in nursing care so I figured signing up and getting some human interaction with like minded people would be healthy for me. Thank you for the welcome.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
41. We'll see, I hope so too
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:59 PM
Nov 2023

I want to see a lot of the world yet and I'm keeping very positive though it's difficult.
I'm doing my best though

Mossfern

(4,631 posts)
14. Literally
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:44 PM
Nov 2023

Eretz Yisrael, means 'The land of Israel.' It does not mean that there is exclusion of anyone, nor the destruction or death of an entire population. "From the River to the Sea" is a slogan that calls for the eradication of the political State of Israel and the Jewish people. It's a radical statement.

That's the difference.

leftstreet

(38,902 posts)
15. Maybe she has
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:49 PM
Nov 2023

Surely the consultants and advisors have given party leaders the straight scoop on polling and visuals

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,604 posts)
5. I know we're supposed to support Democrats, but ...
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 02:04 PM
Nov 2023

... I think I'll vote for a different Dem in the next primary.

I hope we're not stuck with her.

Captain Stern

(2,249 posts)
11. 'Force' a ceasefire.....what a sad joke
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:19 PM
Nov 2023

In this case, "ceasefire" just means Israel should cease firing. Hamas has already clearly stated that they will never cease firing.

And how would we force a ceasefire, anyway? By bombing them?

rollin74

(2,279 posts)
12. She says this even after Hamas has publicly stated that they will do Oct. 7 style attacks again and again??
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:28 PM
Nov 2023

Igel

(37,395 posts)
20. And safe from Qatar,
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:06 PM
Nov 2023

dead civilians are "martyrs."

And martyrs have a special blessing and place in where Muslims believe their good go after death.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
16. The video shows marchers chanting "from the river to the sea"
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:52 PM
Nov 2023

Which she tries to explain as totally not calling for the elimination of Israel.

Many of the other people who use that phrase, like Hamas, would disagree.

PufPuf23

(9,710 posts)
18. At present, POTUS Joe Biden is walking the precipice for us all.
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:00 PM
Nov 2023

Have the faith in his wisdom. POTUS Biden is the best opportunity for the fewest harmed on the flip side of the crisis in Israel.

Rep. Tlaib has lost her mind.

Best to get a strong Democratic candidate ready ASAP for next primaries.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

madaboutharry

(42,028 posts)
36. Are you implying that Jews have too much power on DU?
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:30 PM
Nov 2023

Because that is what it sounds like you’re saying.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
27. Really hoping someone primaries her
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:39 PM
Nov 2023

Not only is she wrong, her position is going to cost votes in 2024. Democrats should roundly reject her position

Mme. Defarge

(8,896 posts)
30. So, let me get this straight. . .
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:54 PM
Nov 2023

She would rather have a POTUS who has promised/threatened to deport Muslims living in the U.S.?

Back in the day this would have been called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(133,042 posts)
32. Cutting off your nose to spite your face?
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:01 PM
Nov 2023

You think Trump or any other Republican will do better?

betsuni

(28,754 posts)
38. "Democrats are the real warmongers" style attack. Never give benefit of doubt, assume nefarious intent.
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 06:44 PM
Nov 2023

Make it about personality, a hidden corrupt and immoral warmongering about to emerge any minute.

Obama was drones drones drones drones, NATO military events reported as unilateral American aggression, he was going to start WWIII any minute. Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Iraq War, would start WWIII one second after being sworn in as president, "Queen of the warmongers." Now Biden with "broken promises," plotting to start WWIII any minute.

What's the goal of this? Who paid for the ad?

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,251 posts)
42. Michigan Democrats bash Tlaib for Palestinian comments
Sun Nov 5, 2023, 07:58 PM
Nov 2023

Tlaib is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel.



https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/michigan-democrats-bash-tlaib-palestine-comments-00125429

Democratic lawmakers and officials in Michigan are rebuking remarks made by Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) that justified an oft-criticized slogan popular among advocates for Palestinian rights.

On Friday, Tlaib, who is the only Palestinian American member of Congress, tweeted that “From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.”

Senate President Pro Tempore Jeremy Moss, a Democrat, tweeted on Saturday, “Hamas uses it as a rallying cry. And they don’t simply want to displace Jews in Israel. They want Jews dead.”

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel also condemned Tlaib’s defense of the slogan, tweeting “@RashidaTlaib, I have supported and defended you countless times, even when you have said the indefensible, because I believed you to be a good person whose heart was in the right place.”

“But this is so hurtful to so many. Please retract this cruel and hateful remark,” Nessel continued.
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