Israeli women were raped and widowed by Hamas. Now the world ignores and mocks their suffering

[Behind the Aegis]

On Oct. 8, 2023 — a day after Israel experienced the most brutal massacre in its history — one of the first accounts of the sexual violence that Hamas waged against many of its victims surfaced. “Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies,” one survivor who’d attended the Tribe of Nova music festival told Tablet editor-at-large Liel Leibovitz. “Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed,” Leibovitz added later in the piece.

Normally, one would expect a disclosure like this — not just of rape, but of rape followed by murder; rape in the midst of a violent massacre — to earn the victims and survivors sympathy and support. Yet what I saw from many people online was not empathy, but doubt and disbelief.

Over the past month and a half, as the Hamas attack gave way to a brutal military assault on Gaza, battle lines have been drawn in the public discourse. Commentators have been urged to “pick a side,” demonstrating their loyalty to one country’s wounded by ignoring or even outright mocking another people’s suffering. In the midst of this, Israeli women in particular have been hard hit, with their pain at best ignored and at worst turned into fodder for cruel memes.

When it came to Tablet’s reports of rape, an initial assumption of credibility quickly gave way to skepticism. If there were actually rapes amidst Hamas’ assault on Israel, one misinformation expert (article has link to Tweet) asked, then why wasn’t it all over major media outlets’ headlines? All of the knowledge about sexual assault that our society recently had refreshed during the #MeToo movement — that it is commonplace during war and especially during militant actions, that it is difficult for survivors to discuss and is often left out of media coverage either out of a discomfort with the topic or a desire to protect the victims — seemed to have been instantly forgotten.

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[tritsofme]

1. For far too many in this equation, Jews just don't count.

It is extremely sad, but yet depressingly not that surprising.

[RocRizzo55]

3. I don't believe that is true

Just because people do not hold the Zionist point of view, does not mean that they are saying that Jews don’t count.
If you want to believe that, then you might as well say that there are people who say that Palestinians don’t count. As far as I can see, there are people in power in Israel that say this, especially when they say that they want the Gaza to be leveled, or they say that the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian.
Yes we can take sides all day, but understand that in the fog of war, the first thing that is lost is truth.
Also remember the immortal words of Captain John Sheridan when he said: “There are three sides to every argument. My side, your side, and the TRUTH.” (John Sheridan is a fictional character from the sci-fi series Babylon 5. One of the best works of J. Michael Straczynski.)

[Kennah]

4. Sadly, I do believe it

[Dorian Gray]

6. There have been people

in the western world who denied the rapes occurred in Israel on October 7th. So yes, there is a double standard. I'm including 5 separate articles from 5 very different news sources that touch upon this. Female Jewish pain was ignored and denied by certain activists. Why?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-womens-rights-groups-silent-as-israeli-women-testify-about-rapes-by-hamas/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/25/israel-hamas-rape-sexual-violence/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/un-ignores-systematic-rape-of-israeli-women-by-hamas

https://www.foxnews.com/world/united-nations-slammed-silence-hamas-rapes-mutilation-murder-israeli-women-critics-say

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/university-of-alberta-sexual-assault-centre-signs-jamas-letter-denying-jewish-rapes

[Happy Hoosier]

9. Plenty of people are "fine" with Jews, so long as they...

... are contented to live as second-class citizens scattered in a diaspora.

The Palestinian Arabs were willing to "tolerate" Jews in Palestine so long as the Jews had no political power. This is a centuries-long story.

[sadasfyed]

32. nothing to do with Jews, no one cares about rape in war situations, it is expected, men are brutes and brutes rape

all women raped in war are all religions, don't be saying only jewish rapes are ignored. Every college in America hide rapes, Ivy leagues threaten the women to stay silent.

[yardwork]

36. HAMAS's attack wasn't a war situation, that's the thing.

HAMAS's attack on Oct 7 was a terrorist attack on civilians.

[betsuni]

2. K&R

[Nululu]

5. I would never mock the victims

Most people wouldn't. Ignore the sewer system that is social media. It's infested by bots and trolls.

Hamas recently thanked Russia for their help. You can be disgusted by Hamas and hate the destruction of Gaza.

[Happy Hoosier]

10. Sadly....

Hamas insists on the destruction of Gaza as the price for their removal.

This has always been their plan: Make the cost of removing them from power intolerable.

Frankly, I think it's a "rip off the band-aid" moment. Hamas has to go, but it's not going to be pleasant.

[Nululu]

13. It isn't up to Hamas to dictate IDF policy.

I don't believe so much death was required for Hamas control. It's horrible for the Palestinians. It's a blight on the character of Israel.

[Happy Hoosier]

14. Well, let's hear your brilliant plan!

How do you get Hamas out without mass destruction?

[Nululu]

17. You think 5500 children dying in Gaza is good?

I think Biden's pursuit of the ceasefire is far better. I trust our President.

[Happy Hoosier]

19. So... as I thougnt... nothing.

No, I don’t think kids dying is good. But Hamas cannot be permitted to remain in power. If they remain in power, it’s not a matter of IF this happens again, but when.

[Nululu]

21. The pope calls it terrorism.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. He has no power here

He literally reads a different Bible than I do.

[Happy Hoosier]

27. Why the F**k should I care what the Pope thinks?

I mean, given how the Catholic church has not exactly been a friend to Jews over the centuries...

[Sal_NV]

28. I couldn't care less what the pope has to say,

as stated here in this thread, the Catholic church hasn't been very friendly towards the Jewish faith.

[duhneece]

26. One suggestion that has been discussed is a Truth and Reconciliation Commission like Rwanda

At some point, folks from one side or the other will recognize that revenge killings only result in more violence. And a demand to stop the killings and follow up with something akin to Rwanda’s Truth and Justice Commission.

[Nululu]

37. Sounds good. I know our administration...

Is trying to find a solution. Sad to see how many argue to ignore the suffering of others.

[brer cat]

7. K&R

[Chainfire]

8. Perhaps I haven't been paying attention. I haven't seen the victims being mocked by the world.

What happened on Oct. 7 was horrible and there is no justification for it under the sun. My heart goes out to the innocent victims; on both sides.

[Arazi]

11. You missed the global celebration by pro-Palestinian folks?

The rejoicing across the entire Arab world?

The gleeful distribution of Hamas’ atrocities as they were live-streamed in real time?

The laughter and jubilation of Gazan Palestinians as they had movie nights replaying the GoPro live action slaughter?

The deliberate choice to laud the actions of 10-7 by calling the atrocities “resistance” not rape (or mutilation or torture or burning people alive in their houses or kidnapping … )?

I could go on but you get the gist.

[yardwork]

12. This needs to be reckoned with.

[yardwork]

15. Kick

[yardwork]

16. Just isn't getting much attention...

[Behind the Aegis]

22. It is difficult for many (obviously not all, see above) to spin this.

It just shows some will turn a blind eye when the victims are (((different))).

[JustAnotherGen]

24. They are deliberately

Turning a blind eye. I'm reading People Love Dead Jews- Reports from a Haunted Present.

Published in 2021. Two years later - and it needs an update.

We've discussed this for YEARS in PM's. Truth be told at last. And its deliberate CHOICE people are making.

[TheRealNorth]

33. I see a lot of spinning on both sides of the issue...

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Ah yes, both sides.

[electric_blue68]

38. I'm not sure about "spinning", but I think Netanyahoo has over done this, and....

No I'm not sure how to get rid of Hamas (?seriously stealth Israeli elite hit squads, along w a lot less bombings).
This Netanyahoo action will create even more hatred against Israel.

I have had no problem (and have posted) calling Hamas's Oct 7 actions hedious, heneious.
"Resistance"?! 😬 Feh! Bullshit!
Those Palestinians and supporters should be ashamed. But they're not.

They along with Hezbollah must be taken out.

[TheRealNorth]

39. Propaganda is Propaganda, no matter who is spinning it

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[Behind the Aegis]

41. As witnessed in your video, with two of them.

[Cha]

18. Yes there have been reports on this board of Total Deniability

that the Women in Israel on October 7th were even Raped.

I think that Qualifies as "Mocking"..

Canadian sexual assault centre boss sacked after signing letter denying Hamas rape cases

Snip//

The letter, signed by 2,100 people, was authored by Sarah Jama, a member of Ontario's provincial parliament and Susan Kim, a city councillor in Victoria, British Columbia and addressed to all members of Canada's parliament.

It reads: “We, the undersigned, residing in so-called Canada, urge Canadian political leaders to end their complicity in the ongoing massacres and genocide in Gaza, Occupied Palestine.”

The letter took particular issue with NDP leader and Canada's leader of the opposition Jagmeet Singh, who “repeated the unverified accusation that Palestinians were guilty of sexual violence.”

Link to tweet

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/canadian-sexual-assault-centre-boss-sacked-after-signing-letter-denying-hamas-rape-cases-edsg8yhx

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218483290

[Stargazer99]

20. If you don't believe rape occured I wonder if you can even be honest

with your self

[Ferrets are Cool]

25. "Now the world ignores and mocks their suffering"

Nothing quite like hyperbole.

[Arazi]

29. Calling (justifiable) anger at global indifference "hyperbole"

Is definitely “mocking their suffering”.

You’re offering a textbook definition of mockery.

How many weeks (months now actually) has it taken for outrage to finally bubble up about the sexual assaults on Jewish children and women? Again, the very definition of “ignoring” the issue…

Even now, the sexual assaults have been baldly labeled “Palestinian resistance” by pro-Palestinian supporters and actually celebrated around the world. I reiterate - that’s actually “ignoring and mocking” sexual assault on Israelis.

Well done, I guess 😡

[sarisataka]

30. Jews or corpses...

Which rapes get more outrage and condemnation?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218490292

*Spoiler alert*

Not the Jews.

[yardwork]

31. Not surprising.

[debm55]

34. Yes, I found that odd, also. Not one mention. Not one.

[Mossfern]

42. OP is about sexual assault on Israeli women

yet I see that there are still some who can not stay on topic. I don't know whether some people are uncomfortable about it or are looking to distract or redirect.

I do feel a bit of blaming the victim here.
Can a thread be about the atrocities visited upon Israeli women and the reaction to that particular action, and stay on topic?

[Behind the Aegis]

43. Well, y'know, (((reasons)))

[Cha]

44. Rec TY