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Response to dutch777 (Reply #1)

dutch777

(3,078 posts)
3. Yes, and where do the Palestinians go and how do they live in just rubble with no working infrastructure?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:25 AM
Dec 2023

Response to dutch777 (Reply #3)

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
6. It's a massive setback, for sure, but I don't believe
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:35 PM
Dec 2023

the IDF has targeted all infrastructure sewage treatment or water purification plants. They easily could have.

dutch777

(3,078 posts)
8. If the vids I have seen are indicative, the plants may be there but all the pipes from houses to plants are dead.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 03:43 PM
Dec 2023

Impact of bombs (many 1000# and over) that the Israelis are using do as much or more damage by their shockwaves as they do with the actual explosion and shrapnel. Likely that anything not buried very deep is ruptured and/or joints broken open. I can't find data for 1000# bombs but 2000# bomb spec says makes a crater 50 feet wide and 36 feet deep is typical. If 1000# bomb is half that, routine water and sewer piping is rarely 20 feet deep.

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
9. No doubt.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 03:53 PM
Dec 2023

Not to mention electrical infrastructure. Its zillions of dollars and decades of construction to get back to the conditions of 10/6, and who'll be on the hook for it? Probably the US. Not that we can go in and do the work ourselves...

Beastly Boy

(9,662 posts)
5. Israel is up against a sinister and ruthless enemy
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:58 PM
Dec 2023

That's the reason Hamas needs to be eradicated by any means necessary, or else history will repeat itself, again and again, as hamas has openly pledged.

peggysue2

(10,909 posts)
7. There are no easy or even good options in this conflict
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 02:27 PM
Dec 2023

I agree, wholeheartedly--Hamas is the enemy and needs to be destroyed, and then replaced by a government that works for the people and for peaceful co-existence.

That goes for both countries once the war is over.

Anyway you go, you're going to have civilian casualties bc of the dense population and the fact these tunnels are a complicated spiderweb running beneath the feet of the Palestinians.

The choices are from bad to worse, so choosing the least bad is the only option Israel has.

Hamas has made its objective very clear, the annihilation of Israel and her people. No other nation in the world would ignore that threat. And yes, unless the current threat is addressed and eliminated, the attacks and bloodshed will repeat, again and again.

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