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Nevilledog

(51,414 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:09 PM Dec 2023

The Clarence Thomas Scandal Is Somehow Looking Even Worse

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/clarence-thomas-scandal-somehow-looks-even-worse

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Before he began receiving expensive gifts and luxury vacations from Harlan Crow and other conservative benefactors, Clarence Thomas reportedly expressed significant concerns about his financial situation—even prompting concerns from a Republican lawmaker more than 20 years ago that he might resign from the Supreme Court if he could not boost his salary.

“One or more justices will leave soon” if justices aren’t given a raise, Thomas told then Republican Representative Cliff Stearns in 2000, as they flew home from a conservative conference at a Georgia resort, according to ProPublica.

“I intend to look into a bill to raise the salaries of members of The Supreme Court,” Stearns wrote to Thomas afterward. “As we agreed, it is worth a lot to Americans to have the Constitution properly interpreted.”

Congress ultimately did not give justices the major raise Thomas had pushed for, nor did it lift the ban on justices accepting speaking fees, as he had also sought. But a new ProPublica report raises questions as to how and why elite conservatives began lavishing the right-wing justice with gifts soon after—gifts that often went undisclosed by Thomas, in apparent defiance of federal law.

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The Clarence Thomas Scandal Is Somehow Looking Even Worse (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2023 OP
It is worth a lot to wealthy Americans and the GOP tanyev Dec 2023 #1
Yeah, that stuck out to me, too. calimary Dec 2023 #26
The people who bribe the Supreme Court determine the proper interpretation of US law. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #27
Who was the French guy DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #47
Certainly the GOP has discovered that public office is the best grift around. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #56
Obviously the people who bribe the Supreme Court determine what is proper interpretation. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #45
#137K May Be a Pretty Modest Salary for a Senior Federal Employee, I Concede The Roux Comes First Dec 2023 #2
Just read that Old Crank Dec 2023 #21
Lifetime job security, perks, free top notch healthcare, generous pension. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #31
Or in many cases DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #48
8 months on job site WhiteTara Dec 2023 #54
Media US salary is about Old Crank Dec 2023 #22
Thanks for giving the median rather than the average. eppur_se_muova Dec 2023 #43
And what other hanky panky was going on at the meetings? Kingofalldems Dec 2023 #3
We can well imagine. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #34
There wasn't previously such a close quote pro quo connection Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #4
What Clarence Thomas dreams of usonian Dec 2023 #5
Pretty sure this was made public at the time. Thomas complained about not making what he would otherwise Freethinker65 Dec 2023 #6
Someone should have reminded him he could quit Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2023 #24
Q: How many billionaire friends would Clarence Thomas have if he weren't an Assoc. Justice? Kid Berwyn Dec 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Dec 2023 #8
I was saying this when the Harlan Crow stuff first broke nuxvomica Dec 2023 #9
Trying to imagine what the "more lucrative" gig would be. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #23
Defense attorney like the ones you see on TV DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #49
Selling reverse mortgages leftieNanner Dec 2023 #53
That isn't a bribe mercuryblues Dec 2023 #25
A Paid Endorsement...that's when a celebrity or public figure is paid to promote or support a product. sop Dec 2023 #30
How much did Thomas get paid to help steal the election from Al Gore? Meadowoak Dec 2023 #10
While there may have been some form of compensation, that was something Thomas would volunteer for JHB Dec 2023 #19
that goes for many supremes...... DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #50
The worst part is, he doesn't care. shrike3 Dec 2023 #11
Ginny started making big, big money after Clarence complained. mn9driver Dec 2023 #12
Sounds like maybe Ginni wanted to put him up for auction. Attilatheblond Dec 2023 #13
Where do you think Jared DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #51
"Nice conservative USSC you've got there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it" * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #14
Yeah, Clinton was president at the time not fooled Dec 2023 #55
Fuck him and GOP he rides on. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #15
Some people understand Public Service and the conditions that accompany Attilatheblond Dec 2023 #16
"(Worth it) to have the Constitution properly interpreted." Grins Dec 2023 #17
If only they had listened to Anita Hill. TSExile Dec 2023 #18
They didn't even need her. He should have been bounced before her name ever surfaced JHB Dec 2023 #20
Slappy needed the raise to help pay for his laxative bills. LudwigPastorius Dec 2023 #28
Seems like Clarence basically put up a "pay for play available here" sign. spanone Dec 2023 #29
Yes when he could not extort money from the US Congress, he set up a pay for play shop. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #36
👍🏼 spanone Dec 2023 #37
The Supreme Court most certainly does not have to worry about following ethics or the law. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #38
It appears many 'laws' were enacted as if politicians were perceived as honorable spanone Dec 2023 #39
This is how he justifies taking bribes. He is a victim of the US Congress. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #32
A fair to moderate lawyer can easily make 6 figures, good ones 7 and beyond. bluesbassman Dec 2023 #33
The GOP knows exactly what public service means. They just entirely reject that role. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #35
Corrupt is as corrupt does. bluesbassman Dec 2023 #42
I see nothing in Article III that protects Thomas from criminal prosecution. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #40
Its so clear.why.Thomas votes.unrelentingly rightwing..he was paid to Demovictory9 Dec 2023 #41
Yup republianmushroom Dec 2023 #44
And Christian Nationalist Hillsdale College poured money in through Ginny gibraltar72 Dec 2023 #46
Crimey Clarence is either a blackmailer Hassler Dec 2023 #52
Marriage is a partnership. Attilatheblond Dec 2023 #57

tanyev

(42,727 posts)
1. It is worth a lot to wealthy Americans and the GOP
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:20 PM
Dec 2023

to have the Constitution “properly” interpreted.

Fixed.

calimary

(81,664 posts)
26. Yeah, that stuck out to me, too.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:58 PM
Dec 2023

“…properly interpreted…”??? WTF is THAT supposed to mean? “Properly” according to whose definition? And befitting whose agenda?

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
27. The people who bribe the Supreme Court determine the proper interpretation of US law.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:03 PM
Dec 2023

That is the simple truth.

DENVERPOPS

(8,964 posts)
47. Who was the French guy
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 12:22 AM
Dec 2023

who in the 1700's said: Democracy will last until a person or some people figure out that they can vote themselves money.......


Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
56. Certainly the GOP has discovered that public office is the best grift around.
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 08:54 AM
Dec 2023

And it is quite likely you can get away with your crimes.

For example members of congress often become very wealthy.
The are allowed to commit crimes the rest of us cannot do.
Insider training and other crimes.

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
45. Obviously the people who bribe the Supreme Court determine what is proper interpretation.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 06:33 PM
Dec 2023

When you bribe someone you are paying for something and you usually get it.

The Roux Comes First

(1,304 posts)
2. #137K May Be a Pretty Modest Salary for a Senior Federal Employee, I Concede
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:21 PM
Dec 2023

But I need to understand how this lifetime sinecure compares to, say, Congressional salaries. And tell me more about this "lifestyle" that Thomas was apparently burdened with! And who forced that on him?

Nelson Algren ("The Man with the Golden Arm&quot or James Cain ("Double Indemnity&quot could likely have made some good work out of this tale of a man living beyond his means to the point of desperation.

Old Crank

(3,717 posts)
21. Just read that
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:39 PM
Dec 2023

Roberts gets $280,000 and associate justices get $268,000.

Not too shabby. To go along with good pension and healthcare. Pkus a huge staff of clerks.

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
31. Lifetime job security, perks, free top notch healthcare, generous pension.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:13 PM
Dec 2023

Law clerks who do all the heavy lifting.

Doesn't look like they work much to me.... on recess most of the time?
Thomas rarely even speaks.

Can commit any crimes they want, no one will touch them.

Not a bad job for people who are lazy with no moral core.

eppur_se_muova

(36,319 posts)
43. Thanks for giving the median rather than the average.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 06:20 PM
Dec 2023

When I heard the average was $60k, I thought it didn't sound right. The median sounds much more representative.

Ms. Toad

(34,177 posts)
4. There wasn't previously such a close quote pro quo connection
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:25 PM
Dec 2023

Payment to stay in office, rather than due a specific decision, in effect. Sorry of like a retainer.

Freethinker65

(10,128 posts)
6. Pretty sure this was made public at the time. Thomas complained about not making what he would otherwise
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:40 PM
Dec 2023

What wasn't known is what ended up being done to get Thomas to stay.

Kid Berwyn

(15,235 posts)
7. Q: How many billionaire friends would Clarence Thomas have if he weren't an Assoc. Justice?
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:41 PM
Dec 2023

Zero.

Q2: How much would Clarence Thomas make if he was paid what he's worth?

$7.25 / hour.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

nuxvomica

(12,497 posts)
9. I was saying this when the Harlan Crow stuff first broke
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 02:55 PM
Dec 2023

His apologists were saying these weren't bribes because he would've voted just as shitty anyway because that's how he "thinks" but to me the bribery was to keep his reliably pro-right wing self from retiring for a more lucrative gig. However you slice it, it's bribery.

sop

(10,373 posts)
30. A Paid Endorsement...that's when a celebrity or public figure is paid to promote or support a product.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:08 PM
Dec 2023

In this case the "product" is rightwing extremism.

JHB

(37,170 posts)
19. While there may have been some form of compensation, that was something Thomas would volunteer for
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:16 PM
Dec 2023

He's always nursed a grudge against liberals and Democrats for perceived slights. And, like any hateful bastard, doesn't let anything go, not even when higher principles are at stake.

DENVERPOPS

(8,964 posts)
50. that goes for many supremes......
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 12:31 AM
Dec 2023

There was nothing in the U.S. Constitution that stated they had the right to interfere with a State Election, and to HALT the re-count of the votes. The Recount of votes, which, it has been proven man times over, would have given the Presidency to GORE

mn9driver

(4,435 posts)
12. Ginny started making big, big money after Clarence complained.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 03:31 PM
Dec 2023

This is as clear as day. Her high salary jobs appeared at the same time.

NOT a coincidence.

DENVERPOPS

(8,964 posts)
51. Where do you think Jared
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 12:35 AM
Dec 2023

got the idea to start selling pardons for a couple of million a pop ???????????

I tell MAGATS that if Trump truly cared about his cult of extortionists, why didn't he have a blanket pardon for everyone who participated in the Jan 6 sedition????????????

Oopsie Daisy

(2,964 posts)
14. "Nice conservative USSC you've got there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it" *
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 03:33 PM
Dec 2023

* or something.

not fooled

(5,811 posts)
55. Yeah, Clinton was president at the time
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 01:08 AM
Dec 2023

and would have nominated his successor, so Uncle Thomas's threats carried weight.

Attilatheblond

(2,311 posts)
16. Some people understand Public Service and the conditions that accompany
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 03:59 PM
Dec 2023

Others want all the perks but none of the limitations.

Thomas is one of the latter.

Grins

(7,296 posts)
17. "(Worth it) to have the Constitution properly interpreted."
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:02 PM
Dec 2023

And by “properly” he means his way.

Been said before - What conservatives can’t get at the ballot box or in legislation, they will get through the courts!

TSExile

(2,615 posts)
18. If only they had listened to Anita Hill.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:04 PM
Dec 2023

This dude would have been swept up in the dustbin of history back in 1991, if only more people had taken Anita Hill seriously!!

JHB

(37,170 posts)
20. They didn't even need her. He should have been bounced before her name ever surfaced
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 04:33 PM
Dec 2023

Thomas didn't recuse himself from a case where he had a conflict of interest (big surprise now, ain't it?). He was part of a panel ruling on a case between Ralston-Purina and Alpo corporations.

Purina was founded by the grandfather of Senator John Danforth, friend and political mentor to Clarence Thomas. Danforth had relatives on Purina's board (and doubtless had a good chunk of stock himself). A decision in Purina's favor was worth millions to the company and its shareholders.

If you need more than one guess to get which way Thomas voted, slap yourself hard.

But Thomas had reliable but obfuscate-able Conservatively Correct views on things, so Bush wanted him on the court.

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
38. The Supreme Court most certainly does not have to worry about following ethics or the law.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:48 PM
Dec 2023

There is absolutely no one who will ever hold them accountable. They answer to no one ever.

We have found out the hard way that many of the customs and norms of our leaders are
entirely self enforced and rely entirely on tradition.

That makes our government ripe for attracting narcissists and sociopaths.
They can go on a crime spree with impunity.

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
32. This is how he justifies taking bribes. He is a victim of the US Congress.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:16 PM
Dec 2023

They don't appreciate how special and brilliant he is.

bluesbassman

(19,388 posts)
33. A fair to moderate lawyer can easily make 6 figures, good ones 7 and beyond.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:22 PM
Dec 2023

A judge at any level shouldn’t be doing it “for the money”, yet here we are. Sure seems like nobody in the GOP has any inkling to be a “public servant”, if they even understand the meaning of the term.

Irish_Dem

(48,770 posts)
35. The GOP knows exactly what public service means. They just entirely reject that role.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:35 PM
Dec 2023

They do not believe the federal or state government should be working for the general welfare of the people.

They believe that the laws should be used to enrich the wealthy and powerful and control and punish everyone else.

gibraltar72

(7,522 posts)
46. And Christian Nationalist Hillsdale College poured money in through Ginny
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 07:16 PM
Dec 2023

because of her influence at centers of power.

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