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kpete

(72,145 posts)
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 08:36 PM Jan 2024

Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden. 43% would vote for Biden instead.

Respondents who plan to caucus for Haley stand out as significantly less optimistic about Trump’s chances than other likely Republican caucusgoers.

A majority of Haley supporters, 54%, say it would be nearly impossible for Trump to win against Biden, given his legal challenges. That’s down from 65% in a December Iowa Poll.

Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden. The plurality of Haley supporters, 43%, would vote for Biden instead.

https://infogram.com/1p3e3e76vn320ws0l20039dg1yadqj0m9vg



https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2024/01/14/iowa-poll-nikki-haley-supporters-more-likely-vote-joe-biden-over-donald-trump-november-2024-election/72193795007/
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Just 23% of Haley supporters say they would vote for Trump in a matchup with Biden. 43% would vote for Biden instead. (Original Post) kpete Jan 2024 OP
RSO rso Jan 2024 #1
That's a BFD. PCIntern Jan 2024 #2
Indeed it is Hekate Jan 2024 #6
If that poll pans out even 25% accurate, it's a huge shift toward Democrats bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #3
This speaks volumes. Gives me hope if the orange turd is the gop nominee FlyingPiggy Jan 2024 #4
These are people paying attention to the election. That's what is important with these numbers. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #5
Just to clarify, it 23% of *IOWA* Haley supporters Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #7
And thats why taking Trump off the ballot is tactically a bad idea quakerboy Jan 2024 #8
I'm not sure Trump will stump for her. I wonder if he'd go third ballot if he doesn't get the nomination. ificandream Jan 2024 #10
Pardon. quakerboy Jan 2024 #11
No way NEOBuckeye Jan 2024 #19
I put little stock in polls, but this one makes sense. ificandream Jan 2024 #9
Simple answer. The OP and rando tweets are simply wrong. WarGamer Jan 2024 #12
I dont care WHO votes for her if it beats trump oldsoftie Jan 2024 #14
Me too... but the OP is wrong. WarGamer Jan 2024 #15
Good point but Dems and Independents wouldn't account for all 80% of her support who won't vote for Trump Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #21
I'm in a deep red area & I dont know ANY of her backers who will vote for trump oldsoftie Jan 2024 #13
Read my post #12. The OP is fake news. WarGamer Jan 2024 #16
Fake news? progressoid Jan 2024 #18
Did you read the links I posted in #12? WarGamer Jan 2024 #20
It doesnt matter WHO votes for her; its NOT "fake news". oldsoftie Jan 2024 #22
Very simple. WarGamer Jan 2024 #23
That's good news. Martin68 Jan 2024 #17
Some of those "Haley Supporters" Are Dems Who Changed Registration to Caucus Against Trump Indykatie Jan 2024 #24
Michael Steele just said that if Haley were the party nominee, she would beat Biden. ancianita Jan 2024 #25

bucolic_frolic

(44,021 posts)
3. If that poll pans out even 25% accurate, it's a huge shift toward Democrats
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jan 2024

That would be somewhere around 8-10%. Add 10% of Republicans to our totals. Tell me who wins.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,842 posts)
7. Just to clarify, it 23% of *IOWA* Haley supporters
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 09:13 PM
Jan 2024

Your headline doesn’t make that clear.

It will be interesting to see if that trend spreads to other states as well.

quakerboy

(13,949 posts)
8. And thats why taking Trump off the ballot is tactically a bad idea
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:00 PM
Jan 2024

even if its morally, ethically, or legally right.

If Haley is the nominee, donalds people will vote for her. Because donald will be out whipping for her. Because pardons. Plus a bunch of self proclaimed independents who want to vote conservative to spite whoever they dont care for, or cause taxes, or whatever, will fool themselves into thinking its ok to vote for her over Biden, when they wont be able to do it for donald. Plus the suckers who will say "they are all the same" for Haley, but know beyond the shadow of a doubt thats not true with donald

ificandream

(9,562 posts)
10. I'm not sure Trump will stump for her. I wonder if he'd go third ballot if he doesn't get the nomination.
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:06 PM
Jan 2024

On the other hand, you gotta wonder if the GOP will fix it so Trump's the nominee no matter what.

quakerboy

(13,949 posts)
11. Pardon.
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:12 PM
Jan 2024

Right now he thinks he can win, and has friends that will cheat to get him back in office.

The second that becomes impossible for him, it becomes all about that pardon.

NEOBuckeye

(2,782 posts)
19. No way
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 11:37 PM
Jan 2024

His ego will never allow him to support Haley or anyone else. If she somehow beats him, he’ll totally tear her to shreds and encourage his MAGAts to do the same. She has zero chance of succeeding as long as he lives.

ificandream

(9,562 posts)
9. I put little stock in polls, but this one makes sense.
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:01 PM
Jan 2024

Haley's supporters are less maga and more traditional GOP than Trumpies. I think that's a good indication of what we'll get from them in terms of votes. That number of possible Haley supporters voting Biden might be slightly high, but I think it's encouraging.

WarGamer

(12,848 posts)
12. Simple answer. The OP and rando tweets are simply wrong.
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:19 PM
Jan 2024

Bottom line:

Democrats and non-Republicans are crashing the caucuses for Haley... NO, GOP'ers aren't abandoning Trump for Haley then voting for Biden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/us/politics/nikki-haley-democrats-independents.html

In Iowa, Nikki Haley Has the Attention of Democrats and Independents

Ms. Haley has attracted the interest of non-Republicans who say they’ll caucus for her, as rivals attack her for an insufficiently conservative message.


https://www.axios.com/2024/01/14/democrats-boost-haley-iowa-trump-desantis

DES MOINES — Some Iowa Democrats and independents are planning to crash the state's Republican caucuses Monday night and become "Republicans for a day" to vote for Nikki Haley — but mostly, against former President Trump.

Why it matters: It's unclear how many will show up, but "crossover" voting is a low-key tradition in Iowa's caucuses — and it's one of the big unknowns heading into Monday, along with how the dangerously cold weather will affect things.


Quixote1818

(29,219 posts)
21. Good point but Dems and Independents wouldn't account for all 80% of her support who won't vote for Trump
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 01:25 AM
Jan 2024

Even if it's as half of them supporting Haley being Dems and Independents, that means the other half are Republicans who won't support Trump. That's still a pretty big dent in Trump's armor.

oldsoftie

(12,862 posts)
13. I'm in a deep red area & I dont know ANY of her backers who will vote for trump
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 10:19 PM
Jan 2024

Biden? Not sure; I have been told "I'll skip that line" by a few.

progressoid

(50,126 posts)
18. Fake news?
Sun Jan 14, 2024, 11:10 PM
Jan 2024


Granted, polls this far out generally aren't a good predictor of what happens in November. But the Des Moines Register isn't exactly fake news.

WarGamer

(12,848 posts)
20. Did you read the links I posted in #12?
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:35 AM
Jan 2024

Haley caucus support appears to be at least partially Democrats or Independents which explains why most will vote for Biden in the General.

It's not ME saying it...



oldsoftie

(12,862 posts)
22. It doesnt matter WHO votes for her; its NOT "fake news".
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 08:15 AM
Jan 2024

NYT is paywalled. Axios talks abbot Does voting for her. So what? It doesnt mean that people in the GOP who back Haley are all still going to vote for trump. My experience is anecdotal of course, but I cant be the only one who knows these peoplle.
I'M voting for haley in MY state's primary. I'm allowed to do it & if it helps defeat trump I'll do it.
It wont help her in the General election, but if its not trump on the ballot in Nov, I consider it a win for the world

WarGamer

(12,848 posts)
23. Very simple.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 04:36 PM
Jan 2024

The OP makes a big deal out of Haley "voters" refusing to vote for Trump in the general.

Then we find out that a large number of Dems and never-Trumpers are going to caucus for Haley.

Of course they're not going to support Trump in the General because they're D's and left leaning I's...

It's like GOP'ers becoming "Dems for a Day" to vote for Dean Phillips... then saying they'll vote Trump in the General.

It's meaningless.

Indykatie

(3,704 posts)
24. Some of those "Haley Supporters" Are Dems Who Changed Registration to Caucus Against Trump
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 05:16 PM
Jan 2024

That fact lessens the impact of 43% saying they would vote for Biden since they were always going to vote for Biden in the General. I didn't read the article so I don't know if it points this out.

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