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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:32 AM Nov 2012

DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas

DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas

Meet Matthew Fogg, a former U.S. Marshal whose exploits led him to be nicknamed “Batman.” When he noticed that all of his team’s drug raids were in black areas, he suggested doing the same in the suburbs.

“If we were locking up everybody, white and black, for doing the same drugs they would’ve done the same thing with prohibition, they would’ve outlawed it,” Fogg says in the video produced by Brave New Films. “If it were an equal enforcement opportunity we wouldn’t be sitting here anyway.”

Video at link
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/11/dea_agent_says_he_was_told_not_to_enforce_drug_laws_in_white_areas.html

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DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas (Original Post) The Straight Story Nov 2012 OP
"I'm shocked, shocked I tell you" hobbit709 Nov 2012 #1
Who's surprised? Not me, certainly. Scuba Nov 2012 #2
I believe it. I've witnessed it. Romulox Nov 2012 #3
K&R think Nov 2012 #4
Americas' four worlds! Black vs. White. And Haves vs. Have-nots. Often worlds apart for about RKP5637 Nov 2012 #5
I'd say three. I've found that race is largely irrelevant among the haves. Black, white, asian, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35
That's a very good point! "... race is largely irrelevant among the haves." I think we see that RKP5637 Nov 2012 #36
The War on Drugs is the modern Jim Crow. Why are so few talking about it? nt Romulox Nov 2012 #6
Because freedom is nothing more than a slogan on a t-shirt Major Nikon Nov 2012 #8
As Patrick Mcgoohan said: "Freedom is a myth". stlsaxman Nov 2012 #10
Yes - this needs to be talked about ----- northoftheborder Nov 2012 #7
Hence why i've always been drug free... willhe Nov 2012 #9
There are several things that I would do to the Constitution tomorrow if I had the opportunity 47of74 Nov 2012 #23
I'd like to tell all kids, black, white or otherwise, that media culture is designed to HiPointDem Nov 2012 #30
re:DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas allan01 Nov 2012 #11
I've know many, many, white people to be arrested and harrassed for drugs or the suspicion bloomington-lib Nov 2012 #12
That's not really suburban level then...if these people are at poverty level. vaberella Nov 2012 #15
A suburb is the hinterland of a city. They're not necessarily upscale. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #31
But with poverty stricken area? vaberella Nov 2012 #33
the nyt says a little different. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #34
I don't think the laws have been applied evenly... AlbertCat Nov 2012 #16
I used to call it "DWP" -- driving while poor Patiod Nov 2012 #17
Racial Profiling kartski Nov 2012 #24
Quelle Surprise !!! marmar Nov 2012 #13
Prohibition NOLALady Nov 2012 #14
It DID work the first time, and it's working now. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #19
+1000 Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #26
+1. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #32
Everyone knows white people don't commit crime. AllyCat Nov 2012 #18
PROSPEROUS white people con't commit crime. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #21
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #20
I Thought Racial Profiling Didn't Exist Dirty Socialist Nov 2012 #22
If true, all drug convictions against black people should be vacated with prejudice. Festivito Nov 2012 #25
Blame 'Drug-Free School ZONE' laws. They are the mechanism generating most of the racial disparity ProgressiveEconomist Nov 2012 #27
I wonder if this is the same "Batman" I almost went to jail for, for blowing his cover in Homestead, Ghost in the Machine Nov 2012 #28
Rec. progressoid Nov 2012 #29
K&R.. butterfly77 Nov 2012 #37

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
3. I believe it. I've witnessed it.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012

“If we were locking up everybody, white and black, for doing the same drugs they would’ve done the same thing with prohibition, they would’ve outlawed it,”


Jesus christ this is a powerful point.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
5. Americas' four worlds! Black vs. White. And Haves vs. Have-nots. Often worlds apart for about
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:38 AM
Nov 2012

everything. Yep, drug laws are for them, but not for us.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
35. I'd say three. I've found that race is largely irrelevant among the haves. Black, white, asian,
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012

they're all more than willing to band together to keep their organized crimes going.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
36. That's a very good point! "... race is largely irrelevant among the haves." I think we see that
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 05:34 PM
Nov 2012

quite often.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
7. Yes - this needs to be talked about -----
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:59 AM
Nov 2012

This is not surprising, but the hearing and seeing of it told is unusual ----------------

Justice in this country is often absent.............


Equal protection under the law................NOT

willhe

(97 posts)
9. Hence why i've always been drug free...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
Nov 2012

As a black male I often talk to young black men about this issue. The drugs they could care less about. Incarceration is a for profit institution with a purpose. Once incarcerated they lose their right to vote. That is the ultimate goal.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
23. There are several things that I would do to the Constitution tomorrow if I had the opportunity
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
Nov 2012

If you're 16 or older you would have the right to vote no matter what. Even if you've been convicted of a crime and are currently serving time. The only exceptions would be two - voter suppression or treason.

Corporations would not be considered people and would have no rights beyond what the people deign to give them. They would be absolutely forbidden to participate in political campaigns.

Voter suppression would be a capital crime.

The part about being allowed for a crime which someone has been convicted of would be removed from the 13th amendment. There would be no slavery, period. Violations of this would also be a capital crime.

Private ownership or operation of correctional institutions would be absolutely forbidden.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
30. I'd like to tell all kids, black, white or otherwise, that media culture is designed to
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 05:09 AM
Nov 2012

make them waste their lives on fruitless pursuits -- drugs being one of them.

I also believe drug use feeds the coffers of the 1%, another reason I don't use them.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
11. re:DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:59 AM
Nov 2012

the war on drugs was a war on minoritys started by richard nixon. period . esp : blacks. total waste of time . also someone who was a corrections guard said that this supervisor told him , the reason drugs wernt reaglelized after that era( i cant think straight this oorning or spell straight ) because the drugs would interfere with the alchaol and tobaco companies profits . meh

bloomington-lib

(946 posts)
12. I've know many, many, white people to be arrested and harrassed for drugs or the suspicion
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:02 PM
Nov 2012

of having drugs. I don't doubt that there is a huge difference between black/white incarcerations and harassment. But saying cops don't mess with white people is inaccurate. Maybe it depends on which suburbs, and more a matter of money than color. My experience comes from lower middle class to around poverty level.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
15. That's not really suburban level then...if these people are at poverty level.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:08 PM
Nov 2012

So I can understand that. However there is a disproportionate number---one of the other differences is that not many of the dealers who are Black are actually touching the stuff themselves.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
33. But with poverty stricken area?
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:27 PM
Nov 2012

Well I'm from New York. The poor live in apartment buildings (housing projects), not suburbs.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
16. I don't think the laws have been applied evenly...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

.... but I seem to remember hippies of all colors getting harrassed.... but things have changed a lot since then.

And "Reefer Madness" doesn't have any blacks in it, does it?.... but things have changed.

I love all those blues songs from the 20's-40's about pot. I like the term "viper". "I'm viper mad!".

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
17. I used to call it "DWP" -- driving while poor
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

When my lily-white boyfriend-at-the-time, an excellent driver, drove his beat up old car into the upper-crust Main Line, he was stopped and ticketed every single time. It got so he would say "I need to pick up something in Bryn Mawr - can I borrow your car?"

As soon as he bought an ancient BMW from a friend (crap car which looked good outside, but had serious frame issues after several bad accidents), it ceased. He was never stopped again. Never.

DWB is clearly a thing - black drivers get pulled over all the time for no reason, no matter what they're driving.

I'm only suggesting that some percent of DWB is DWP.

kartski

(14 posts)
24. Racial Profiling
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:55 PM
Nov 2012

When I first heard about it decades ago, the target was Black Males in Rental Cars doing the Speed Limit
on I-95. They were abiding the law, so they must be smuggling coke from Fl. to the Northeast.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
14. Prohibition
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:05 PM
Nov 2012

is the definition of insanity. If it didn't work before, only the insane would think it would work the second time around. Prohibition caused a rise in crime and violence the first time around. Could they have really believed it would be different on the second try?

Or maybe prohibition has worked as planned. It's caused widespread death and destruction in low income and minority neighborhoods.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
19. It DID work the first time, and it's working now.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

The rise in crime & violence is the intended effect. It supports the incarceration industry, justifies a militarized police, enables confiscation of citizens property, and otherwise contributes to the overall mission of jackbooted social control. Discriminatory enforcement is the whole goddam POINT. What's not to like about a policy like that?

AllyCat

(16,187 posts)
18. Everyone knows white people don't commit crime.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

They get into "trouble" and get their hands slapped. Unless they wear a suit and tie when they do it. Then they get a bonus.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. PROSPEROUS white people con't commit crime.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:46 PM
Nov 2012

I spent a lot of years working for WI Corrections, and I can tell you that poverty is at least a powerful determinant of police action as race. However, the two are of course strongly confounded in our society, so it's hard to separate the differential contributions of the 2 variables.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
25. If true, all drug convictions against black people should be vacated with prejudice.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:22 PM
Nov 2012

And, they should be properly compensated.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
27. Blame 'Drug-Free School ZONE' laws. They are the mechanism generating most of the racial disparity
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:47 PM
Nov 2012

They are the mechanism generating most of the racial disparity

in arrests and sentencing. The metrics by which the DEA, police and prosecutors are judged and PAID are arrests and years sentenced. Ostensibly, these laws are color-blind, but anybody who can read a map can see that bonuses for the authrities from arrests within 1000 feet of a school, park, or government housing project largely exempt the suburbs and target cities where large swaths of neighborhoods are predominantly Black. The authorities respond to incentives which have HUGE built-in racial biases.

From http://www.justicestrategies.org/news/2006/03/drug-free-school-zone-laws-questioned

"Drug-Free School Zone Laws Questioned
National Racial Disparity
Sentencing Policy
The Associated Press
By: David Crary
Published: March 23, 2006

In reaction to the crack epidemic of the 1980s, laws creating drug-free zones around schools spread nationwide. Now, hard questions are being raised — by legislators, activists, even law enforcement officials — about the fairness and effectiveness of those laws. In New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington state, bills have been proposed to sharply reduce the size of the zones. A former assistant attorney general in Massachusetts reviewed hundreds of drug-free-zone cases, and found that less than 1 percent involved drug sales to youths.

Citing such developments, the Washington-based Justice Policy Institute is issuing a report Thursday that contends such laws, which generally carry extra-stiff mandatory penalties, have done little to safeguard young people and are enforced disproportionately on blacks and Hispanics. "For two decades, policy-makers have mistakenly assumed that these statutes shield children from drug activity," said report co-author Judith Greene, a New York-based researcher. "We found no evidence that drug-free zone laws protect children, but ample evidence that the laws hurt communities of color and contribute to mounting correctional costs." ,,, "When the overlap of zones in densely populated areas covers the entire city, the idea of special protection loses its meaning -- people don't know they're in a school zone," said Ben Barlyn, a deputy attorney general and executive director of the sentencing review panel. "It would be as if we made the entire New Jersey Turnpike a reduced speed zone."

Barlyn said New Jersey prosecutors and police chiefs had no objection to shrinking the zones. In Washington, state Sen. Adam Kline has proposed reducing drug-free school zones from 1,000 feet to 200 feet, and limiting the law's application to regular school hours. In Connecticut, a hearing is scheduled Friday on a bill that would reduce school zones from 1,500 feet to 200 feet. At recent meetings, activists with Connecticut's A Better Way Foundation -- which supports the bill -- have displayed maps of major cities showing huge sections designated as drug-free zones. A map of New Haven indicated that Yale University's golf course was the only large part of the city not encompassed in one of the overlapping zones.

Most states have drug-free-zone laws; they often entail mandatory prison terms that preclude such options as probation or treatment. Lolita Buckner Inniss, a Cleveland State University law professor, is a vocal critic of the laws. Her research found that drug dealers in inner cities and compact rural towns were disproportionately likely to incur the extra penalties, in contrast to dealers in suburbs where zones covered relatively small portions of the communities. That urban-suburban split has the effect of making minorities more likely to bear the brunt of tougher sentencing rules, she said. "I've been dissatisfied by how the public mutely accepts these laws," she said",

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
28. I wonder if this is the same "Batman" I almost went to jail for, for blowing his cover in Homestead,
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:57 PM
Nov 2012

Florida back in '89 or '90? What a small, strange world that would be, huh?

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