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DEA Agent Says He Was Told Not To Enforce Drug Laws In White Areas
Meet Matthew Fogg, a former U.S. Marshal whose exploits led him to be nicknamed Batman. When he noticed that all of his teams drug raids were in black areas, he suggested doing the same in the suburbs.
If we were locking up everybody, white and black, for doing the same drugs they wouldve done the same thing with prohibition, they wouldve outlawed it, Fogg says in the video produced by Brave New Films. If it were an equal enforcement opportunity we wouldnt be sitting here anyway.
Video at link
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/11/dea_agent_says_he_was_told_not_to_enforce_drug_laws_in_white_areas.html
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)If we were locking up everybody, white and black, for doing the same drugs they wouldve done the same thing with prohibition, they wouldve outlawed it,
Jesus christ this is a powerful point.
think
(11,641 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)everything. Yep, drug laws are for them, but not for us.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)they're all more than willing to band together to keep their organized crimes going.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)quite often.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)one of my favorite quotes.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)This is not surprising, but the hearing and seeing of it told is unusual ----------------
Justice in this country is often absent.............
Equal protection under the law................NOT
willhe
(97 posts)As a black male I often talk to young black men about this issue. The drugs they could care less about. Incarceration is a for profit institution with a purpose. Once incarcerated they lose their right to vote. That is the ultimate goal.
47of74
(18,470 posts)If you're 16 or older you would have the right to vote no matter what. Even if you've been convicted of a crime and are currently serving time. The only exceptions would be two - voter suppression or treason.
Corporations would not be considered people and would have no rights beyond what the people deign to give them. They would be absolutely forbidden to participate in political campaigns.
Voter suppression would be a capital crime.
The part about being allowed for a crime which someone has been convicted of would be removed from the 13th amendment. There would be no slavery, period. Violations of this would also be a capital crime.
Private ownership or operation of correctional institutions would be absolutely forbidden.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)make them waste their lives on fruitless pursuits -- drugs being one of them.
I also believe drug use feeds the coffers of the 1%, another reason I don't use them.
allan01
(1,950 posts)the war on drugs was a war on minoritys started by richard nixon. period . esp : blacks. total waste of time . also someone who was a corrections guard said that this supervisor told him , the reason drugs wernt reaglelized after that era( i cant think straight this oorning or spell straight ) because the drugs would interfere with the alchaol and tobaco companies profits . meh
bloomington-lib
(946 posts)of having drugs. I don't doubt that there is a huge difference between black/white incarcerations and harassment. But saying cops don't mess with white people is inaccurate. Maybe it depends on which suburbs, and more a matter of money than color. My experience comes from lower middle class to around poverty level.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)So I can understand that. However there is a disproportionate number---one of the other differences is that not many of the dealers who are Black are actually touching the stuff themselves.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)Well I'm from New York. The poor live in apartment buildings (housing projects), not suburbs.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)The New Suburban Poverty
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/the-new-suburban-poverty/
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... but I seem to remember hippies of all colors getting harrassed.... but things have changed a lot since then.
And "Reefer Madness" doesn't have any blacks in it, does it?.... but things have changed.
I love all those blues songs from the 20's-40's about pot. I like the term "viper". "I'm viper mad!".
Patiod
(11,816 posts)When my lily-white boyfriend-at-the-time, an excellent driver, drove his beat up old car into the upper-crust Main Line, he was stopped and ticketed every single time. It got so he would say "I need to pick up something in Bryn Mawr - can I borrow your car?"
As soon as he bought an ancient BMW from a friend (crap car which looked good outside, but had serious frame issues after several bad accidents), it ceased. He was never stopped again. Never.
DWB is clearly a thing - black drivers get pulled over all the time for no reason, no matter what they're driving.
I'm only suggesting that some percent of DWB is DWP.
kartski
(14 posts)When I first heard about it decades ago, the target was Black Males in Rental Cars doing the Speed Limit
on I-95. They were abiding the law, so they must be smuggling coke from Fl. to the Northeast.
marmar
(77,081 posts)nt
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)is the definition of insanity. If it didn't work before, only the insane would think it would work the second time around. Prohibition caused a rise in crime and violence the first time around. Could they have really believed it would be different on the second try?
Or maybe prohibition has worked as planned. It's caused widespread death and destruction in low income and minority neighborhoods.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The rise in crime & violence is the intended effect. It supports the incarceration industry, justifies a militarized police, enables confiscation of citizens property, and otherwise contributes to the overall mission of jackbooted social control. Discriminatory enforcement is the whole goddam POINT. What's not to like about a policy like that?
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Nail on the head.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)AllyCat
(16,187 posts)They get into "trouble" and get their hands slapped. Unless they wear a suit and tie when they do it. Then they get a bonus.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I spent a lot of years working for WI Corrections, and I can tell you that poverty is at least a powerful determinant of police action as race. However, the two are of course strongly confounded in our society, so it's hard to separate the differential contributions of the 2 variables.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)/snark
Festivito
(13,452 posts)And, they should be properly compensated.
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)They are the mechanism generating most of the racial disparity
in arrests and sentencing. The metrics by which the DEA, police and prosecutors are judged and PAID are arrests and years sentenced. Ostensibly, these laws are color-blind, but anybody who can read a map can see that bonuses for the authrities from arrests within 1000 feet of a school, park, or government housing project largely exempt the suburbs and target cities where large swaths of neighborhoods are predominantly Black. The authorities respond to incentives which have HUGE built-in racial biases.
From http://www.justicestrategies.org/news/2006/03/drug-free-school-zone-laws-questioned
"Drug-Free School Zone Laws Questioned
National Racial Disparity
Sentencing Policy
The Associated Press
By: David Crary
Published: March 23, 2006
In reaction to the crack epidemic of the 1980s, laws creating drug-free zones around schools spread nationwide. Now, hard questions are being raised by legislators, activists, even law enforcement officials about the fairness and effectiveness of those laws. In New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington state, bills have been proposed to sharply reduce the size of the zones. A former assistant attorney general in Massachusetts reviewed hundreds of drug-free-zone cases, and found that less than 1 percent involved drug sales to youths.
Citing such developments, the Washington-based Justice Policy Institute is issuing a report Thursday that contends such laws, which generally carry extra-stiff mandatory penalties, have done little to safeguard young people and are enforced disproportionately on blacks and Hispanics. "For two decades, policy-makers have mistakenly assumed that these statutes shield children from drug activity," said report co-author Judith Greene, a New York-based researcher. "We found no evidence that drug-free zone laws protect children, but ample evidence that the laws hurt communities of color and contribute to mounting correctional costs." ,,, "When the overlap of zones in densely populated areas covers the entire city, the idea of special protection loses its meaning -- people don't know they're in a school zone," said Ben Barlyn, a deputy attorney general and executive director of the sentencing review panel. "It would be as if we made the entire New Jersey Turnpike a reduced speed zone."
Barlyn said New Jersey prosecutors and police chiefs had no objection to shrinking the zones. In Washington, state Sen. Adam Kline has proposed reducing drug-free school zones from 1,000 feet to 200 feet, and limiting the law's application to regular school hours. In Connecticut, a hearing is scheduled Friday on a bill that would reduce school zones from 1,500 feet to 200 feet. At recent meetings, activists with Connecticut's A Better Way Foundation -- which supports the bill -- have displayed maps of major cities showing huge sections designated as drug-free zones. A map of New Haven indicated that Yale University's golf course was the only large part of the city not encompassed in one of the overlapping zones.
Most states have drug-free-zone laws; they often entail mandatory prison terms that preclude such options as probation or treatment. Lolita Buckner Inniss, a Cleveland State University law professor, is a vocal critic of the laws. Her research found that drug dealers in inner cities and compact rural towns were disproportionately likely to incur the extra penalties, in contrast to dealers in suburbs where zones covered relatively small portions of the communities. That urban-suburban split has the effect of making minorities more likely to bear the brunt of tougher sentencing rules, she said. "I've been dissatisfied by how the public mutely accepts these laws," she said",
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)Florida back in '89 or '90? What a small, strange world that would be, huh?