If Native Americans had our immigration laws:

[1monster]

[niyad]

1. love it

[msongs]

2. "native" americans are immigrants like everyone else nt

[Cal Carpenter]

4. Not even close

They were the first humans to populate the continent. There were no national borders. Incomparable to immigration today.

[1monster]

5. Yes, but is there any evidence that they displaced anyone?

[naaman fletcher]

9. yes there is

What we call native americans displaced earlier populations

[1monster]

11. Care to elaborate or link to evidence?

There is evidence of other Asian and European cultures coming to the Americas in prehistoric times, but I've never heard that those immigrants had established more than a foothold here and there or that they were displaced by those whom we now call Native Americans.

[naaman fletcher]

14. tomorrow

Am in middle of thangiving bender with other single dads who dont have kids so cant really do research right now

[NYC Liberal]

8. Who did they force out of their homes? Whose land did they steal?

I think there's a pretty major difference.

[jeff47]

15. Mostly the people who ended up South of them.

The Americas were initially settled in a few big waves. Generally, the new arrivals pushed the existing tribes South.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Thank you n/t

[Igel]

6. We have some idea as to what happened in various places.

In New England, the new-comers made handy allies in a war.

In Central America, the new-comers were picked up by a liberation organization activist out to fight the imperialist oppressors of his people.

That the new comers then turned on their former allies and bested them, as well, in military conquest (thus playing by their own rules--conquest yielded possession of the land) is, well, less unfortunate as entirely expected.

Even the tribes in Texas decided to make use of the Spanish in their effort to fight against the genocidal invaders known as the Apaches.

[Lasher]

13. Comanches took the Apaches' territory to the north in the 1670s.

That's why displaced Apaches moved to south Texas. The Kiowa were pushed into Oklahoma and Arkansas by the invading Cheyenne and Sioux, who had been forced out of their lands in the great lakes regions by the Ojibwa tribes. But Comanches occupied Oklahoma and Arkansas at the time, so the Kiowas fought to take their land from them.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

7. K&R nt

[1monster]

10. Just found one to complement this one on Facebook.

:rolf:

[xchrom]

12. Du rec. Nt

[Mnemosyne]

16. K&R!