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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis Christmas buy nothing for anybody
all business is made up of a bunch of greedy fucking pigs!!!
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)No problem
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)people to buy for, but no money to buy anything with...
No Problem
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)Journeyman
(15,036 posts)And please, do tell us where you're employed, so we can all avoid at least that business, and you can start the new year off where you wish all the other employees of this country consigned to: the unemployment line.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)the only noble jobs to me are those with 501's the government, education and the church...these are the only fields in which folks don't go in with a greedy mind..private for profit business' whole m.o is to part yopu with as much of your money possible in any legal (and sometimes illegal) method possible!
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)WOW.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)And if you don't think there are greedy, ladder climbing assholes in non-profit organizations, education institutions and churches you aren't paying attention.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)And do tell, what non profit social service is so desperate as to hire a schmuck such as yourself?
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)and have tons of very pleased and grateful clients...I never let my political views surface at work
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)sounds like GOP crap.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)get its funding???
sP
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)i bet it is from people with jobs who spend their income so that other people have jobs and so on and so forth.
sP
Lex
(34,108 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)LAGC
(5,330 posts)The way our current economic system is set up now, it makes it appear as if the private-sector "pays for" public-sector works.
But really its the workers who create any economy's wealth, regardless of whether they are employed in the private or public sectors.
We could do away with the private-sector and still grow our economy and create wealth, by the government employing workers to produce things. I'm not saying a 100% socialist system is the way to go, just that the example destroys the illusion that the private-sector is really paying for anything.
So much of the public-sector's work under our current economic system is building a safe infrastructure for the private-sector to flourish, its foolish to say that the public-sector is dependent on the private-sector to function. If anything, the opposite is true.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I am talking about the way things are right now and the poster's over the top comments.
Even the farmer that I buy veggies from is a business. Not all business is bad. Unregulated business is the problem.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)I just wish Democrats would stop using Republican talking points when it comes to how the public-sector pays for itself.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)Sometimes I wear 501s and I do government stuff, does that count?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I am a medical professional. My small business employs a few people, and what little profits i take home go to put food on my table and a roof over my head.
I guess I'm evil to you.
Unless, of course, you are just a RW troll dicking with us.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)I risked my family's security to start my business and make something happen. You need help!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I work for a government agency myself for the past 23 years, and haven't worked for a for profit company, since I worked for Fotomat, back in 1976!
I refuse to work for any place where their main aim is to steal. Yes, steal. They steal from their customers by overcharging them, and they steal from their workers by underpaying them.
I have worked at co-ops, and other non-profits, and will NEVER work for a for profit company. I have turned down offers from large for profits in the past, and will continue to do so.
Capitalism is killing the planet. There has to be a better way.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)We are Devo
(193 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Such bullshit.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Don't deprive them over politics.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)realize that the Republicans and CEO's are out to fuck them over...just tell them that it is because of greedy businesses and the Republican party ALL OF LIFE IS ABOUT POLITICS every political decision from dogcather to president wil effect your life and kids need to learn to about that asap...
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)an island somewhere, all to yourself.
How do you expect society to grow and thrive? I believe in some socialism but...wow, I really don't know what to say to you.
OneMoreDemocrat
(913 posts)Save this thread and read it in 15 years and see if it makes you cringe or not.
DEMTough
(90 posts)And even this post disgusts me! I love Christmas time.
I work in retail. By not getting anything for Christmas, you're hurting the workers who can get a bonus in their paychecks based on how well their store does.
Skip shopping at Wal-Mart though.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Yeah let me teach a 6 year old that the "Republicans are about to screw them over". I'm sure it will be a memorable moment when they wake up on Christmas morning and there is a note under the tree saying "You got nothing because Republicans and CEO's screwed you over"...
I bet your house is a bundle of laughs. It must be on quite a high mountain for you to be able to look down on so many.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You are a very sad and small person.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Republican Party YES!!!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)-No one will ever give you anything
-You have to rely on yourself for anything you want.
-You shouldn't give anything to anyone.
-And most importantly, hate is a family value.
Sounds just like Republican dogma.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)is more about generating corporate profits and perpetuating a consumerist system, even when we know in the long run it is unsustainable.
Look at the news articles about "Black Friday" to see what children really get from Christmas; very poor lessons for dealing with the probable hardships that will manifest in the coming years.
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)...back on planet Earth.....
jehop61
(1,735 posts)Mr. Scrooge
brewens
(13,590 posts)I love her for that though. I hope she does well tomorrow and this weekend.
Illinoischick
(35 posts)My daughter does not have much money and I help her when I can, but why make the kids feel worse?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)They need their cheap, plastic hundreth toy, instead of a clean environment to raise their own children in.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)When there are books and clothes and food and shoes and music and diaries and bicycles and balls and wagons and board games and . . . ?
savebigbird
(417 posts)get them something classic, that will last for years and that they'll want to play with longer than a few months. Get them something they can learn from. Buy things second-hand when possible. Don't assume because something isn't Justin Beiber/Taylor Swift/Star Wars/Transformers/Pokemon related they won't like it. Heck, if you're feeling brave, get them some used children's books. You'd be surprised at how much they'll like them.
ileus
(15,396 posts)package yesterday, one solar cell and several components for 6 different projects.
savebigbird
(417 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Ham hocks, pigs feet and sausage. Fuck your idea.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)The holidays revolve too much around buying stuff and consuming stuff, and most of it just serves to further enrich those who are already rich.
But giving gifts is still nice. Let's support small businesses whenever possible.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,625 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)money off my purchases.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)call out of the Walmart threads?
fleur-de-lisa
(14,625 posts)Wow . . . so many people willing to pounce on this post! I kind of agree with the poster, but I still plan to make purchases for charities.
My family and I decided about 10 years ago to stop exchanging holiday gifts for the most part. There are no young children in my family and it was getting difficult to handle the gift exchange. Most people in my family have everything they need and at the time we were all geographically distant. Shopping for people who have everything is not much fun and shipping packages, or carrying them with you on a plane, is a nightmare.
So we decided to donate more than ever to charities and exchange lengthy phone calls with absent family members on Christmas day. Of course, we all still give gifts to our adult children.
In particular I love to buy gifts for families in need. I give money to charities too, but shopping for disadvantaged families with children is pure joy. For me this is the spirit of the holidays and it feels so good to help people who really need it. I still refuse to shop on black Friday, and the entire weekend after it. But I have no problem at all standing in line to buy toys, clothing, etc for families in need, but I won't do it on black Friday.
I challenge each of you . . . make an effort to participate in a charity that helps the needy during the holiday season and it will bring back the joy of Christmas! Look up your local shelters for battered women. Most have programs that will provide lists of items needed by these women, some of whom have their children with them at the shelter. A lot of these programs are not only providing shelter for abused women, but also help them to find jobs and housing. They always need clothing and household items. And who could resist buying toys for kids in this situation?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)other people still buy me stuff.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)in your pledge?
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)not for moral reason's either. I sing professionally as a side job for many different denominations (really good money 100.00-250.00) per gig and that sort of stuff ruins your throat!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Since you work fer the evil guv'ment you should know that includes paying the rent and your bills.
Good luck with that crappy attitude by the way.
War Horse
(931 posts)How about getting a bunch of folks to chip in for somebody's January mortgage?
I've already bought my niece a nice set of dictionaries - I know she'll appreciate it, and her mom even more so (so she doesn't have to spend the money herself).
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)JI7
(89,251 posts)Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)family. My parents made sure we had the best christmas dinner on the table. We never went without. One year they got us 2 sleds for 4 kids at the time. We had to share them. We had each other and we played games. Back then we didn't have a tv. I tell my grandkids they are so lucky. They get way to much junk.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they get way too much junk.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)playing with the empty boxes more. I think if my granddaughter asks for more dolls I'll scream. She got 3 or 4 last year. Not to long ago she begged me for these twin dolls and I got them for her. This christmas she asked for Barbie dolls and cloths for her dolls. Her birthday is christmas day also so that is another gift. I told her my new name is "Please Give Me Yaya". And my husband's new name is "Buy me Pappa". Well this year I cut down on gifts. She is going to be 7 and she understands there is no santa.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)No problem.
drmeow
(5,019 posts)I'm giving hand made pottery to family members along with Belgian chocolate I bought while in Brussels. And they are being shipped via USPS not UPS or Fed Ex. But I will buy gifts for the nieces and nephews - at 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10 they wouldn't understand/appreciate the political statement.
JonathanBrowne
(39 posts)LOL!
Yeah, give ammo to republicans for thinking democrats are anti business.
Great idea.
If that was true, i'd certainly rather be a republican.
Thank god democrats like Barack aren't practicing your form of misery. The only difference between your attitude and that of the exploitive and antisocial businesses out there, is that you practice a far less effective version of it.
Your philosophy is like ayn rands, only worse.
At least only caring about yourself is somewhat good for society, despite the host of negatives that come with not also caring about others.
Your philosophy is the worst kind of evil. The kind that is practiced "for the greater good".
"Let's all stop purchasing products because if one company is bad than all companies are bad!"
I assume you live in a house you built yourself, eat only food you grew yourself, don't have a cellphone, don't have a computer or the internet, dont drive a car, etc.
Otherwise, your philosophy only seems to apply as an excuse to not do generous things for your friends and family.
How about, VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS STUPID!
Try supporting the millions of businesses that are pouring their heart and souls into products that are socially responsible, and provide lots value to others.
Or, we could live in a society where everyone knows how to do everything and everything is mediocre because no one is willing to exchange their own passionate and skilled value creation for the value creation of others.
God, partisan politics at this level just make me sick.
The one thing that conservatives are right about is that we should certainly be deeply concerned about creating a good environment for business.
What they have wrong is the idea that we shouldn't use laws to restrict businesses from exploitation and provide incentives for SOCIAL capitalism.
I shudder to think of what it would be like to live in the world you'd create if you had the power to.
A world where there is no reward for having vision, creativity, and great skill/talent and providing others with things they need and want in life.
Well, at least you've proved that it's possible to have a democrat scrooge.
Perhaps you can at least serve as a warning to other democrats that the key is balance, and it is certainly possible to become too extreme a liberal.
It's very easy to get unbalanced when you live in a purely partisan point of view.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)If I didn't care abouyt anyone I wouldn't be working in the social work field now would I? also as far as passion and talent like I said in an earlier thread my side job is to sing and plan liturgy for major ecumenical events...I get paid god money for that depending on if I am singing and the event it is 100.00-250.00 per hour. and see that is not working for or giving money to a capitalistic business.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Since you support no "capitalistic" businesses what computer are you using? Who built it? Who built the Arpanet that became your internet? ? How are you connecting?
What kind of car do you drive? What appliances do you cook with? Who made your clothes?
And BTW Religion is the biggest fucking capitalist scam out there, designed specifically to control people and steal their money. So to sit there and claim that you are somehow better than others because you don't give money to "capitalistic businesses" is the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever seen.
JI7
(89,251 posts)things like clothes they could wear. even expensive things like some kitchen appliance, television etc are put off until christmas .
kids from not so well off families or who aren't spoiled usually get their things during this time.
these people don't spend at other times of the year.
with some of my family and others i am close to we now usually tell each other things we want. it's usually stuff we need or will buy anyways . but we give it as christmas gifts. i think it's better this way than to waste time and money on something nobody will really use and will just be stashed away somewhere.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)or store cards... for that reason.
jackbenimble
(251 posts)used to be the only time I got new cloths or a little extra cash. And this was while I was an adult. I loved that people would give me what I needed as gifts, because I couldn't afford them otherwise.
I'm thankful today that I am a little better off now and I can give gifts as well.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Our family, needs absolutely nothing.
Every closet...every drawer...every nook and cranny...is jammed. In our house...my sister's house...my niece's home...my nephew, well, he could probably use some "stuff"...is full, full, full. I say it over and over and over...don't get me anything (and my birthday is semi-near Christmas)...if there is something that I really, REALLY need (not just want), I'll let you know.
So no one listens...I get "stuff"...and gift cards like crazy (at least some have listened when I said, if you're getting me "stuff", make it a GC for the grocery store!).
I would much rather, take my monies and donate or make purchases of items that people that do NOT have closets/drawers/sheds/garages that are jammed with "stuff". I do donate some but not as much as I could...if I weren't giving gift "stuff" to family.
One of these days....
aroach
(212 posts)but when you have kids who still believe in Santa that makes you nothing but a Scrooge. Luckily for me my son's entire wish list could be purchased for under $30, which is actually really odd. Can't believe the new Wii isn't on his list.
The adults in the family have agreed to no gifts though.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)But my kids will find something under the tree.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
octothorpe
(962 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)shop at small businesses or craft shows etc. but then you couldn't be a Scrooge.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Even local shops selling locally made stuff who treat their employees right?
Even Fair Trade businesses?
Even Co-ops?
Look, I'm a socialist, too...but that seems a teensy-bit sweeping, yo.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)are there to part you from your money!
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)But overall, I see businesses as a way to supply me with products I need (or want) for a fair price. If it isn't a good value, I have the option of passing or shopping around. This is the good part of free market enterprise.
However...
Utility companies, including the internet you're using right now and the smart phone on your desk, are greedy fucking pigs designed to part you from your money via a lifetime subscription, but I see you continue to donate in spite of your alleged disdain for feeding swine.
Maybe you just don't like spending money on things that bring others joy.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)So the fuck what?
What's money except some linen infused paper with numbers on it? Or a number on a bank account.
If I can exchange those worthless things for things that will make me happy or better that is a wonderful concept.
Amazing that you are a human air fern that doesn't have to buy things.
And you can SCOLD! WOW!
How awesome are you?
A brilliant, superior human such as yourself must have tons of friends and useless clingers-on.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Danmel
(4,915 posts)You can support local merchants- they are your neighbors and they do have to eat. If you want the economy to completely collapse and have a repeat of the 2010 midterms and maybe a repug elected in 2016, that would be a good way to do it.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)and then maybe we would get back to an FDR governmental form of sanity and even that wasn't perfect, business still got coddled.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)How are you on the internet? Are you typing on a keyboard fashioned from twigs and stones?
flying_wahini
(6,605 posts)Perhaps things aren't going his way right now. I remember being disgusted with
the time, trouble and expense of Christmas when I had very little myself.
And seeing all the retailers with their Christmas ads and crap up since
Halloween, too leads me to believe that maybe some retailers
Are Greedy, Fucking Pigs.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)"All" business is not a bunch of greedy fucking pigs. There are so many small businesses, and many run by good Democrats, that are just making a living like the rest of us. They are not greedy. They work hard. And they should be able to make a living and take care of their families.
Maybe it would be better to suggest that everyone buy from small, local stores. And better yet, small, local stores whose owners do something to help the community when they can.
But proposing that people should not buy anything is just harmful to all of society.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)True that many retailers are greedy fucking pigs, but most are not.
Neither am I, thank you very much.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)try to get you to part with more of your money than their product is worth. BTW for of you who think I am a scrooge...I wound up donating over 18K to Democratic candidates and liberal initiatives these past two years in addition to about 15K to charity...more than a lot of you who accuse me of bein g scrooge can say!!!
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)...but if nobody notices, I feel sad for you.
I enjoy giving Christmas gifts.
Most of my family and friends of veruy modest means, and I'm on a pension myself, so I don't get much of a return, but no one is going to rob me of the joy I get when I discover the exact perfect gift for someone I care about. If I bring a tear to someone's grateful eyes, I don't mind if a retailer shares the happiness.
I obviously don't run in WalMart at the last minute and grab something off a rack. I consider artful gift shopping a noble sport that doesn't rule out garage sales and consignment shops.
onenote
(42,714 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)This thread needs some reefer.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)For my wife, I have a jewelry maker creating a necklace that I described to her. She works for herself, and creates beautiful jewelry. She owns her business, is the only employee, and works from a workshop in her home. I have no doubt that my wife will like it very much, and the money I spent will help that craftsperson make a living.
Is she a "greedy fucking pig?" I don't think so.
For my mother, I'm giving her a bonsai tree grown by a lovely gentleman in my old home town. My mother loves growing things, but is 88 years old, now, and can't really do gardening any longer. I called Mr. Nakimoto and asked if he had something that would be easy for my mother to care for and that was a blooming tree. What he suggested was a dwarf pomegranate. He explained that they had been bred specifically for bonsai, and produced pomegranates only about half an inch in diameter after flowering. Tiny leaves, too.
My father, who is also 88, is getting a restored photo of his grandparents, taken in the 1880s. After scanning it, I did the restoration myself, removing stains, blemishes, and bringing the couple back to show them at their prime. My father was partly raised by them, and he'll enjoy seeing them as he remembered them. I'm not spending a lot on this, but the frame is made by a local woodworker, who specializes in reproducing 19th century photo frames.
All of these people are in business. Are they "greedy fucking pigs?"
For you, I have a couple of lumps of coal. Just DU Mail me your address, and I'll gift wrap them and send them on their way to you.
I think you need to rethink your post. Truly.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)But they always give me something anyway. So back to gifts and charity....
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You seem very, very concerned about showing how much better you are than everyone else. Even if your philosophy has created tons of suffering. Or are you gonna claim China's Cultural Revolution was utterly fantastic?
Enjoy your sanctimony this Christmas. I'm gonna give a 2-year-old something she'll love for years.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)and they won't have it!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)line of thought, but I kinda don't anymore.
Those people need a wake-up call, and maybe this would be as good as any other.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)as much as I like a good orgy, the orgy of commercial capitalism that constitutes christmas is one I'll skip.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)PATXgirl
(192 posts)This will be the second year to continue our new holiday tradition. We do a "Shop American, shop local" Christmas. We either give something American made or buy something made by local business owners, or gift certificates for services like nail techs, hair salons or restaurants.
Small businesses have been hit hard by the growth of big chain stores and as a self-employed person I'd rather support those types of businesses.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)maybe we will see it posted at RW blogs as "proof" about how "we" think.
nessa
(317 posts).
Son of Gob
(1,502 posts)Someone trying to make Democrats look bad. Complete with ironic username.
no_hypocrisy
(46,117 posts)All homemade.
Soup, bread, cookies, main dish, side dishes, dessert.
LP2K12
(885 posts)Went shopping during Black Friday sales last night. Love shopping for my kids and family. We also make gifts.
Not gonna let big business bother me...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Got no income anyway.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)I am a nice guy and treat my workers fairly (I am the only worker). I am not particularly greedy, and my business donated blue.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)Each year when I see the crowds,
and angry people fighting over Black Friday
and over parking spots
and then I see what they're buying,
I get a renewed sense
of satisfaction from not participating.