Democrats who will not vote for Joe Biden could destroy America.

[Cyrano]

Some Dems will not vote for Joe because he hasn't stopped Israel's destruction of Gaza.

Some Dems will not vote for Joe because they're paying too much at the grocery.

Some Dems will not vote for Joe because he's "too old."

We,ll Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't take orders from Joe. But Joe is doing everything in his power to stop the slaughter.

Joe Biden doesn't control grocery prices anymore than he controls oil prices. This is a phony issue peddled by the GOP.

Joe is "too old?" Trump is four years younger that Joe. Joe is sane. Donald Trump is insane.

So those of you who will not vote for Joe, what do you have in mind? A non-vote for Joe is a vote for Trump.

A vote for a third-party hack is a vote for Trump.

And if Trump wins or steals it, he will become an absolute dictator. How do I know this? He's told us so.

You've got a choice. Stick with your issue and don't vote for Joe. Or stick with your issue and take the chance that we could be looking at the end of democracy in America.

Is that what you really want? Think about it.

[David__77]

1. US weapons are killing children in Gaza. That can be stopped.

Stop the military aid.

[BannonsLiver]

2. You planning on voting for Biden in November?

[Cyrano]

6. Stop military aid to Israel, and Iran could control the entire Middle East.

[JohnSJ]

31. So far if you look down on this thread, I think you have your answer, and those who cannot even

answer the simple question, "will you vote for Biden in November"? what does that say, and what are they even doing here on a Democratic site?

It will be interesting if that poster responds, but by not even responding I think that poster has exposed himself with an agenda, not unlike those in 2026 who refused to vote for Hillary in the general election.

Nina Turner, David Sirota, Cornell West, etc.

[David__77]

34. Yes.

[JustAnotherGen]

5. There are still 101 hostages being held

By the Gaza Government.

They can be released.

[sarisataka]

14. So will you not vote for Biden

Because of that? Will the "other guy" cut off aid to Israel? Will it be worth it if he does?

[TwilightZone]

16. Stopping the military aid wouldn't stop the war.

Reality is a lot more complicated than bumper sticker slogans.

[maxsolomon]

17. But if US weapons only killed Gazan adults, that would be OK?

Cutting off Military Aid to Israel would ALSO lead to votes switching to *.

My elderly Jewish neighbors, one of whom fled Berlin in the 30s as a child, voted for * in 2016 because they "had no choice". Hillary was "bad for Israel". Imagine their reaction if Biden takes the step you suggest. They wouldn't be alone.

[The Magistrate]

20. I Will Add My Voice To The Rest, Sir

Will you vote for President Biden in the general election?

Will you encourage others to do so?

[SocialDemocrat61]

25. Only 15% of Israel's defense budget comes from the US

stopping it wouldn’t stop anything. Plus most of that military aid is a treaty obligation which would require a vote by Congress to stop.

[David__77]

32. He could take action toward that end.

I think that would be smart politically and lessen the likelihood of a Trump victory.

[SocialDemocrat61]

33. No it wouldn't

It would never pass congress and alienate a large part of the Democratic Party.

[Aristus]

3. Just wait until he's re-nominated. It's going to get ugly.

God, the number of trolls I had to deal with in 2020, sneering that "Joe Biden has to EARN my vote!..."

I swear, I wished I had some kind of James Bond gadget where I could press a key on my keyboard that would explode the asshole on the other end of the digital connection.

[TwilightZone]

15. When I worked in credit card customer service (ugh)...

decades ago, we facetiously proposed making the credit cards out of plastic explosives and linking them to the PF23 key on our keyboards.

We called it the PF23 credit card bomb.

[Think. Again.]

4. I suspect that's a myth...

Sure, there are always a few cranks who just play at voting, but I doubt there are very many people who have made a serious choice between right and left, that are going to let the smaller issues blind them to the bigger picture, which is another trump presidency.

This is probably just an attempt by the right to weaken our turnout somehow.

[Cyrano]

8. Perhaps you're right.

But very few votes in a handful of states made Trump the pResident in 2016. And I suspect that very few votes in a handful of states this year, will decide the fate of our democracy. I sincerely hope your "myth theory" is correct.

[Think. Again.]

10. Unless we can identify which...

...actual voters in those particular states are considering the decision to not vote for Biden, and count them, we really can't assume that will be the cause of a Biden loss. It's more likely it'll come down to an actual choice between rightwing or leftwing in those specific spots.

On another note, we really need to stop the electoral college B.S. and figure out how to implement a fair, popular choice election.

[Funtatlaguy]

7. I think that MOST Dems will vote for Biden or, at least, against Trump.

However, if it’s close in the swing states, those that stay home or vote third party could make the difference.
They will know this and have it pounded into them by November.
They will know the consequences well ahead of when they vote.
If they choose wrongly, that will probably end our democracy.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. It's way too early to worry about that. Protest primary votes aren't going to change the candidate outcome, just send a

message.

[The Magistrate]

21. Protest Votes In A Primary Are Fine

Over-the-top rhetoric promoting such votes can cause problems down the line. To pivot from howling 'Genocide Joe has got to go!' to 'I'm ridin' with Biden, let's all head for the polls!' requires a degree of political judgement and mental discipline hard to detect in people adopting the former slogan in the first place.


"I am a man of principles, and chief among them is flexibility."

[Emile]

11. Trump relocating our embassy to Jerusalem and

recognizing the city as Israel’s capital was fuel to start the war.

Jerusalem remains one of the thorniest and most complicated issues in the now century-old conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, as well as a powerful political and religious symbol for billions of people around the world.

A vote against Biden is a vote for Trump.

[Rob H.]

12. I live in a deep red state that Trump won handily in 2016 and 2020

Not a swing state, either, so I could vote for a ham sandwich for all the difference my vote actually makes.

[Rebl2]

24. Must live

where I live in misery.

[DVRacer]

36. Same here in Oklahoma

[Cyrano]

13. Let me add this to my OP,

If Trump becomes president, because many Dems didn't vote for Joe Biden, try to imagine "Trump World."

You'll never get to vote again. Democracy will be over. Our Constitution will be gone. Our freedoms will no longer exist.

Do you really want to be sent to some "Trump Camp?"

Do you really want to live in a dictatorship?

Do you really want to destroy America through your idea of "improving" it?. THINK.

[Rebl2]

23. Exactly!

[BlueKota]

43. This!

The people shouting protest vote need to open a history book or watch a documentary on what happened in the World War II era under Hitler and Stalin, and still happens in dictatorships today.

Do you think Trump getting elected in the U.S. will mean good things for the people in Gaza? He wants to put Muslims in prison camps in the U.S., do you really trust him to protect Muslims anywhere else in the world?

On the Jewish side of the equation many of his base are Nazis. He's a danger to Jewish people as well. Hell, if he wins, and forms an alliance with Russia and China basically the whole world is fu..ed. Europe without the U.S. as an ally wouldn't be able to fight it.

It's not hyperbole. It's a very real possibility. We aren't living in normal times anymore. To me it's the people who aren't scared who are the ones who aren't seeing the reality of what might happen.

I hate having to sit here and watch it happen and feeling there is not being enough done to stop it from becoming inevitable. I have donated, tried to talk people out of voting for anyone else but Biden, & will vote for Biden, but keep feeling like we are about to drive off the cliff in a car and not enough is being done to hit the brakes.

[Beausoleil]

18. "A non-vote for Joe is a vote for Trump"

This is the whole ball game. It cannot be repeated enough.

I don't care what your issues are or what you think you personally did not get from Biden.

If you do not vote for Biden, that is a vote for Trump and the destruction of American democracy. It will be a done deal and there will be no going back. There will be no waiting it out for 4 years and hoping something better will come along or that things will be better in the next four years.

If you are not satisfied with the way things are going, vote for a straight Dem ticket and ensure Dem majorities in both houses of Congress. Give Biden the tools he needs to make your life better. Not voting for Biden is not going to help you.

This is the only message that matters. This is a desperate situation and it will be worse than you can imagine if you do not vote for Biden.

[Cyrano]

19. Exactly. And those who don't/won't vote for Joe don't get it.

If you're not going to vote for Joe, you're helping to condemn yourself to a Trump-Hell worse than you can imagine. How can any living, breathing human being not see that Trump worships the power that Hitler had. How can anyone not see the world he desires, and, if given the chance, the world he will create.

Ignore his first four years in the presidency. That was just practice.

Today, he is surrounded by people who know how to use power to the ultimate. Why do you think he said he would be dictator on day one? Do you doubt he would be? And do you doubt he will be every day from then on?

Do you really want to know it would be like to live in a dystopian hell? Then withhold your vote from Joe Biden and you just may find out. In the last century, Hitler showed us what such a world would look like. And since Trump always wants to be "the best," he'll try to make Hitler's world look benevolent. And the result will be worse than your worst nightmare.

It amazes me that so many Americans don't realize the horrors of a concentration camp. Or the concept of a gas chamber disguised to look like a large shower room. Or getting a tattoo on your forearm which becomes your new name. Do you think Trump ever googled these things? Do you think he knows what google means? If so, withhold your vote from Joe, and you might just find out more than you want to know about "Trump World."

[electric_blue68]

41. I don't know how well The Holocaust is taught in schools. I'm a born & bred NYC'r who grew up in a Jewish neighborhood..

about 2/3rds Secular to Conservative '60 - '72; the rest of us Catholics, Christians, aetheists etc. It was "in the air" so to speak; The Holocaust, Hitler, concentrate camps, extermination. And being so much closer by time to WW2 - there were the documentaries about liberating the Death Camps. Horrific stuff!

A lot my Jewish friends had missing family. I once saw a friend's probably grandmother's small, blue tattooed numbers below her wrist, not on her forearm. A ?56+ yr old memory.

I know I will be doing phone GOTV for which ever States/disticts are best needed to tip the votes to President Biden, or whatever else.

I'm glad I did it in '20 - so I have practice.

[Rebl2]

22. Will

Suffer the consequences as well as the rest of us if they don’t vote for Biden.

[SocialDemocrat61]

26. It's not Dems but independents

People who think like that are not Democrats.

[flying_wahini]

27. I shudder to think.

I know my 25-35 year old kids and extended family get tired to me saying it but we are so close to losing our country and our Constitution. Be sure to tell it on the mountain. GO VOTE for JOE.

[onecaliberal]

28. These are republican talking points parroted by the fascist media in this country.

LOOK at the elections we've already had. Actually, look at the primaries. Trump is killing Haley, but he is grossly underperforming. Far below where HE LOST LAST TIME.

Trump also killed tens of thousands of his own voters. STOP listening to the fucking liars in the media.

[LiberalFighter]

29. Some will use any reason not to vote.

I had someone that I was friended on with FB. He was a nutcase supporting Republicans. I would challenge him on his positions. I even checked his voter registration and found he the last time he voted was in 2018 and it was a partisan election. In 2016 he did not vote in the general. Yet he was complaining.

Just checked now and he is not registered.

I got to him enough that he unfriended me.

[H2O Man]

30. Respectfully disagree.

I doubt registered Democrats will fail to vote for President Biden.

[Cyrano]

37. Hope you are right.

But as the journalist H.L. Mencken said. "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

[H2O Man]

39. I think the real

issue is if enough independent voters make the correct choice and get out the vote for President Biden and all other Democrats on the ticket. While we outnumber therepublicans, the independents can determine the outcome in November.

I was talking about this with my daughter that lives in Boston yesterday. She is a registered Democrat and a community activist. She is a definite vote for Joe Biden, but a lot of the people her age are independents who don't want to vote for either President Biden or the defendant. She asked me how I would approach them?

I said to keep in mind that we aren't even to March yet. What people say now can change. I keep in mind not to insult the local group of people my age don't support either party. They never do at this point. But I listen to their concerns and tell them my opinion. In the spring and summer, some get worse and say things I politely correct. By fall, they say that they "can't help liking me, even though (I'm) a Democrat." I don't tell them who to vote for, but they'll tell me they voted right "for (me) ."

Just my opinion, but it is up to us at the grassroots' level to get out the vote.

[Initech]

35. Nothing will stop me from voting for Biden.

And I will flat out refuse to join Rupert Murdoch's bizarre Christofascist cult. Fuck all of them!

[ColinC]

38. They aren't really Democrats. They are Democratic leaning Independents who need a reason to vote for him.

[elocs]

40. Anybody on the Left who does not vote for Biden in November is a fool. A fool. As are single issue voters.

American presidential elections are binary with the winner always being either the Democratic candidate or the Republican one.
That's it. If your voting choice is a perceived lesser of 2 perceived evils your choice is not even close: Biden by a mile.
For over 50 years I have always voted for the Democratic candidate in the general election even if I did not support that person in the primary or have disagreements with their positions. Voting for the president is a huge choice, but every Democrat elected counts towards the Democrats having control of either the House or the Senate in both state and national elections. That's a big deal.

This presidential election is the most important one in any of our lifetimes and going back to the time of the Civil War.
There needs to be a record turnout by the Left and Trumps needs not just to lose but to be crushed in November so there is no doubt what America thinks of him.

[Martin Eden]

42. I totally agree, except for one thing

Joe is NOT doing everything he can to stop the slaughter in Gaza. The US keeps voting against cease fire proposals at the UN, and he makes no effort to suspend military aid to Israel.

Neverthelss, witholding your vote from Biden for that reason is stupid if you care about the plight of the Palestians. Trump would be MUCH worse for them.