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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo how has this "communist" country been eating our lunch? It's supposed to be a failed system right?
It's just that you hear "Communist China" all the time now when we hadn't for 50 years or so.
Millionaires in suits trying to whip up the base with the commie shit need to be asked how much money they have made with their Chinese investments over the years.
keithbvadu2
(36,981 posts)Hekate
(90,913 posts)blm
(113,119 posts)Pinback
(12,171 posts)Autocratic government plus a dog-eat-dog financial framework make for a society where the masses serve the few.
There was plenty to dislike about the old communist regime, but calling China communist is about like calling Republicans the party of Lincoln.
Most Republicans know better, but they also know its a propaganda tactic that still works on much of their base.
Volaris
(10,275 posts)MutantAndProud
(742 posts)Ponietz
(3,044 posts)Volaris
(10,275 posts)Have trouble feeding themselves, let alone posing a real threat to America.
Ponietz
(3,044 posts)Even those that took refuge in the Polish embassy. Mao was as demented as Scump. Over 55 million died of famine.
Now, the scale of industrial pollution there beggars belief. Theyve poisoned themselves beyond anywhere else in the world.
Fentanyl is their revenge for the Opium wars. Their brilliant scientists, with AI, I am sure, have already engineered a solution to the worlds troubles via virus.
MutantAndProud
(742 posts)Relating to the future of domestic and international issues, covering granular topics such as intelligence, manufacturing, supply chains, the wars in Ukraine and the strain on Russia/China and their internal state statuses many good topics and excellent overviews. In sum: we will have crunch factors but do not have anything nearly as drastic to worry about compared to our competitors
Ponietz
(3,044 posts)You saved us a couple hours.
Igel
(35,382 posts)Capitalism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses and control them.
Corporatism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses, but ultimately the government bribes or controls you.
Mixed capitalism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses, but you're constrained by bureaucrats.
Socialism: You can't really accrue wealth and start a business because the state owns it all. But you can run a business, if you acknowledge your overlords.
China is corporatist. Or was. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, everything for the state. Very Mussolini. Very Hitler--pro-universal education, universal health care, insisted on (state-controlled) unions on corporate boards. But if you made buttons, whatever. You made steel, useful to the state, you were told quotas and output levels. You needed to know who held the other end of your leash.
Capitalism? No leash. Socialism? You'd beg for a leash, but as it is the entire territory is linked to a shock collar.
Think of "mixed economies" as deviating from "total control" in two ways. Orders on the one hand (because you're pwned) and regulations on the other (to preserve the illusion of liberty).
TexasDem69
(1,855 posts)And thats a shitty form of government. Other than that, Im not sure I understand your point. Are you saying communism is better than capitalism?
brewens
(13,634 posts)communist oligarchs?
And I have no idea how you decided you wanted to pretend I was saying communism is better than capitalism.
Communism is a an economic system, not a system of governance. You can have democratic nation and communism at the same time. Likewise, you can have capitalism with an autocratic system, many examples of that in history.
WarGamer
(12,488 posts)They don't play by the same rules as the US form of "democracy"... small "d" intentional.
617Blue
(1,282 posts)Putin was kgb commie before he became a fascist kleptocrat.
Progressive dog
(6,922 posts)Emrys
(7,286 posts)They were, in fact, fascists.
Progressive dog
(6,922 posts)and have always been close to fascism. That is what communism is.
Hekate
(90,913 posts)And our homegrown capitalists have been in bed with them since Nixon. Both profiteers and consumers have been having too much fun to want to talk about the fact that China is what it has always been
lapfog_1
(29,234 posts)more like a fascist dictatorship ( state / corporations are joined )...
As for TikTok... I understand you never want to tell the opposition what you have learned about them... but they should release what they have on what China has on ordinary TikTok users... perhaps that will get the 20 somethings to stop using this app.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)That "communist" countries have all had totalitarian governments of some kind?
comradebillyboy
(10,179 posts)Voltaire2
(13,231 posts)and more than 30 years ago they reformed the Maoist planned economy by allowing and encouraging and subsidizing private companies and of course foreign investment.
It was the reform Gorbachev didnt do. The CCP did not reform the political system other than purging its Maoist faction.
The Marxist Leninist theories they use require the development of a capitalist mode of production and its related workforce.
Crunchy Frog
(26,694 posts)that I completely failed in my attempt to boycott them following the events in Tiananmen Square.
At this point, if they were to disappear off the face of the Earth, our own economy would probably suffer total collapse.
RainCaster
(10,938 posts)Then, as new factories were built and came on line, the pace would pick up again. But this time, there would be more money spread among workers across the globe. It would not be so concentrated among oligarchs.
That's just my opinion.
Xolodno
(6,408 posts)...to Market Socialism. But it is still an autocratic system of governance. Economic systems and Political systems are two different animals.
The Bopper
(187 posts)Unregulated Capitalism will find the cheapest labor and costs to make the largest possible profit possible. Communism, socialism or fascism doesnt matter. And patriotism fled it 40 years ago.
Crunchy Frog
(26,694 posts)or even really pretending that they're trying. They're just a heavily authoritarian state with one party rule, and that party happens to call itself "communist" for historical reasons.
I guess their current economic system might be classified as a sort of modern day mercantilism.
Unlike russia, they have a strong cultural tradition of valuing things like education and hard work and they have a long history of producing innovative technologies and high quality commercial products. Their economic future depends partly on just how dysfunctional their politics and society get.
I'm not too comfortable about our own country's level of dysfunction.
brewens
(13,634 posts)It's bringing back the red scare shit and they fall for it.
Marcus IM
(2,261 posts)Look at the confusion on this thread.
Don't know what it is, but hate it.
Dave says
(4,633 posts)They're just a heavily authoritarian state with one party rule
Voltaire2
(13,231 posts)for the development of a communist society. In the USSR and in China under Mao, this was done generally using state controlled enterprises with central planning. The current Chinese system has a mix of both private enterprise and state owned enterprises, with both market based planning and state planning. Neither the USSR or China intended to transition to a fully communist society after their respective revolutions, instead they were (and in China's case still are) intending to build the economic and social structures that would enable this transition.
Elessar Zappa
(14,099 posts)The party in charge is the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Thats why people in this country call them a communist country.
yardwork
(61,729 posts)People confuse communist with authoritarian.
Quixote1818
(29,000 posts)RandySF
(59,491 posts)Add to the mix the illusion of upward mobility fed to the public on a daily basis.
gulliver
(13,197 posts)It's a data-less, utopian speculation by people who didn't know they were abject morons.