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RandySF

(59,509 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 08:36 PM Apr 26

VT-GOV: Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean considers run for re-election

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean could be considering a run for re-election this year.

Dean told NBC5 that he is currently thinking about another run for the state's highest office.

Dean, a Democrat, could potentially face off against current Gov. Phil Scott.

Scott has not announced if he is running yet, but has said he is considering a run for a fifth term.



https://www.mynbc5.com/article/vermont-howard-dean-reelection/60621192

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VT-GOV: Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean considers run for re-election (Original Post) RandySF Apr 26 OP
Absolutely marvelous idea.... FarPoint Apr 26 #1
Can I remind you of Walter Mondale coming out of retirement to run for Senate in 2002? brooklynite Apr 26 #2
So, in your expert analysis, Dean should not run?🤔 sheshe2 Apr 26 #3
I wouldn't brooklynite Apr 26 #4
Can you recommend an office Dean should run for? diva77 Apr 26 #5
No. Why should he? brooklynite Apr 26 #6
A hugely talented guy with name recognition and credibility wants to run for office diva77 Apr 26 #7
Can you recommend a better Democratic candidate for guv in Vermont ??? DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #18
His body, his choice, so to speak. sheshe2 Apr 27 #23
Instead of "contemporary".. how about Cha Apr 27 #31
Agreed. sheshe2 Apr 27 #36
So a Republican, moderate though he is, would be better than a Dem. sheshe2 Apr 26 #8
No. Hard date says that. brooklynite Apr 26 #14
I suppose you mean 'hard data' DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #19
as a lesbian, even when I was single and not married, I have always strenuously avoided 'hard dates' Celerity Apr 27 #26
What does that term mean? Educate me! DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #27
I suppose it matters (definitionally) if you are referring to either a deadline or to sexy time with a todger involved Celerity Apr 27 #35
Why does Scott run every two years for Governor? Polybius Apr 27 #29
Vermont & NH have 2 yr terms for governor diva77 Apr 27 #32
Wow, that's insane Polybius Apr 29 #42
I'm actually Thinking Dean should do what he wants. Cha Apr 26 #9
I am with you! sheshe2 Apr 26 #13
smh... Cha Apr 27 #17
IKR? sheshe2 Apr 27 #20
Lol! Cha Apr 27 #22
But everyone on this Board wouldn't support him financially, if there are more winnable races that need money. brooklynite Apr 26 #15
All those liberals in Vermont, but we don't stand a chance? DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #28
You mean when Walter Mondale was recruited to run in place of Wellstone in the 11 days remaining Prairie Gates Apr 26 #10
If Mondale's campaign has started six months earlier, would it have made a significant difference? brooklynite Apr 26 #12
I don't know, and neither do you Prairie Gates Apr 26 #16
Bob Kerry comeback attempt in Nebraska is a better analogy. RandySF Apr 27 #38
Mondale was dinged by Paul Wellstone's memorial service... In Too Deep Apr 27 #33
Can I remind you of Jerry Brown coming out of retirement? Tom Rinaldo Apr 27 #40
C'mon Howard. Your ship has sailed. BarbD Apr 26 #11
he is a full 6 years younger than Biden, and has the record and name recognition to beat the Rethug Scott Celerity Apr 27 #25
No it hasn't. Cha Apr 27 #34
Bernie is voted in every election as Senator, Barb. sheshe2 Apr 27 #37
I take exception to the term "re-election" for anyone who is not DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #21
do it!!!! Celerity Apr 27 #24
Hell yeah, he's awesome! I wish he would have never left. Chakaconcarne Apr 27 #30
Howard was exhausted after the 2008 race. DFW Apr 27 #41
Dean getting hounded out of the race Voltaire2 Apr 27 #39
a name from the past... BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 29 #43
Yes, please. Remember when a 5 second awkward sound clip was considered disqualifying for a presidential candidate? meadowlander Apr 29 #44
I figured I might as well ask Howard outright DFW Apr 29 #45
Love Howard Dean! 617Blue Apr 29 #46

brooklynite

(94,829 posts)
2. Can I remind you of Walter Mondale coming out of retirement to run for Senate in 2002?
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:50 PM
Apr 26

As much as political activists like him, he hasn't been in office in more than 20 years, and Phil Scott is actually popular.

brooklynite

(94,829 posts)
4. I wouldn't
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:16 PM
Apr 26

As a Democratic candidate funder, I certainly wouldn't put money into the race.

Scott's performance:
2018 55%
2020 68%
2022: 71%

Consider: a lot of Bernie Sanders voters are comfortable voting for Scott as well.

brooklynite

(94,829 posts)
6. No. Why should he?
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:25 PM
Apr 26

Question: what critical issue is Howard Dean needed for that a more contemporary Democrat won't support as well>?

DemocraticPatriot

(4,449 posts)
18. Can you recommend a better Democratic candidate for guv in Vermont ???
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:14 AM
Apr 27

Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:08 AM - Edit history (1)

or do you merely want to rain on this particular parade ----- "Rain man" ?

sheshe2

(83,981 posts)
23. His body, his choice, so to speak.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:46 AM
Apr 27
Question: what critical issue is Howard Dean needed for that a more contemporary Democrat won't support as well>?


Interesting verbiage. By 'contemporary,' do you mean younger. So which younger Democratic candidate has thrown in their hat?

Cha

(297,877 posts)
31. Instead of "contemporary".. how about
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:26 AM
Apr 27

Experience, Qualifications, and Wisdom.

You know like our Pres Biden has.


sheshe2

(83,981 posts)
36. Agreed.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:37 AM
Apr 27

I haven't seen the youngsters coming up to the bat. If they are qualified I would support them 100%.

sheshe2

(83,981 posts)
8. So a Republican, moderate though he is, would be better than a Dem.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:32 PM
Apr 26

And that Sanders supporters would back him over a Democrat? This is your insight as a 'Democratic candidate funder'?

brooklynite

(94,829 posts)
14. No. Hard date says that.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:46 PM
Apr 26

Sanders (who got 67% of the vote in 2018) will be re-elected. in 2024. Phil Scott (who got 71% of the vote in 2022) will be re-elected in 2024. There's going to be an overlap.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,449 posts)
19. I suppose you mean 'hard data'
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:17 AM
Apr 27

rather than a 'hard date'--- whatever that means....

jajajajajaja


I think voters in Vermont need to be lectured against voting for any Republican traitors....

Celerity

(43,635 posts)
35. I suppose it matters (definitionally) if you are referring to either a deadline or to sexy time with a todger involved
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:33 AM
Apr 27




Cha

(297,877 posts)
9. I'm actually Thinking Dean should do what he wants.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:34 PM
Apr 26

Phil Scott is a R.... and however "popular" he is.. he hasn't' run against Howard Dean.

I'm betting everyone on this Board would be for Dean instead a gop.

Cha

(297,877 posts)
17. smh...
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:10 AM
Apr 27

lol

Dean was against War On Iraq and all about Gay Rights! And Women's Rights & Health Access across the board!!

brooklynite

(94,829 posts)
15. But everyone on this Board wouldn't support him financially, if there are more winnable races that need money.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:50 PM
Apr 26

The North Carolina Governorship is winnable. The New Hampshire Governorship is winnable. The Washington State Governorship is winnable. The Montana Governorship is a stretch but still presents good fundamentals. The Vermont Governorship does not, and Howard Dean isn't likely to change that.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,449 posts)
28. All those liberals in Vermont, but we don't stand a chance?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:17 AM
Apr 27

I guess the Democrats shouldn't even bother to run a candidate there, eh?

Prairie Gates

(1,081 posts)
10. You mean when Walter Mondale was recruited to run in place of Wellstone in the 11 days remaining
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:38 PM
Apr 26

between Paul Wellstone's death and election day?

That's your parallel case example?



Prairie Gates

(1,081 posts)
16. I don't know, and neither do you
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:50 PM
Apr 26

It's a terrible example. One literally can't think of a more idiosyncratic case. Incumbent Wellstone locked in a close race and killed in a plane crash on Octiober 25, the election on November 5. Memorial service seized on by right wing media and replayed nonstop as an example of "politicizing" Wellstone's death. Mondale was more or less an elder statesman recruited as a placeholder.

I mean, honestly. That's a deeply silly example. The differences from the case so far outweigh any similarities that even bringing it up is bizarre.

RandySF

(59,509 posts)
38. Bob Kerry comeback attempt in Nebraska is a better analogy.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 02:07 AM
Apr 27

He tried to return to the Senate from and lost an open seat race.

 

In Too Deep

(60 posts)
33. Mondale was dinged by Paul Wellstone's memorial service...
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:28 AM
Apr 27

It rubbed a lot the wrong way that the memorial turned into a political rally. Fair or not, the optics were pretty rough. I remember Jesse Ventura walked out midway through it.

On top of that, the climate in 2002 was decidedly anti-Democratic Party unfortunately. It wasn't like Wellstone was the runaway favorite before his death. One of the last polls before his death, Wellstone was ahead by only six.

And remember, six years later in 2008, Coleman BARELY lost to Franken - like so close the race wasn't officially certified until months into Obama's first term.

My point? Mondale losing wasn't exactly tied to his being out of office for years.

Do I think Dean can win? Probably not. Do I think he has a better shot than any other Democrat? Yeah. And as far as I'm aware, Scott hasn't announced yet he'll run right? So, maybe he decides not to. Then it might be Howard Dean's job to lose.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,918 posts)
40. Can I remind you of Jerry Brown coming out of retirement?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:41 AM
Apr 27

How many decades was it between his stints as Governor of California?

I'm not saying that Dean would necessarily beat Scott, but if Mondale is being brought up so should Brown

BarbD

(1,194 posts)
11. C'mon Howard. Your ship has sailed.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:40 PM
Apr 26

Out of all the Democrats in Vermont, you can't find someone younger to mentor?

Celerity

(43,635 posts)
25. he is a full 6 years younger than Biden, and has the record and name recognition to beat the Rethug Scott
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:06 AM
Apr 27

sheshe2

(83,981 posts)
37. Bernie is voted in every election as Senator, Barb.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:52 AM
Apr 27

Where have all the young ones gone? They are not lining up as candidates. Perhaps it is time for some of them to grow up and pick up the mantle. We can't carry them forever.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,449 posts)
21. I take exception to the term "re-election" for anyone who is not
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:23 AM
Apr 27

Last edited Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:10 AM - Edit history (1)

the incumbent, from Trump all the way down....

Trump is not running for "re-election", since he does not currently hold the office... and we already kicked him out.

He is running to be elected, as Dean would, if he decides to make this race.

President Biden is running for "re-election" to the Presidency, and ONLY President Biden.

Anyone who is not the current incumbent can not run for "re-election" to anything!!!

They can run to be elected again, but not for "re-election"....

DFW

(54,462 posts)
41. Howard was exhausted after the 2008 race.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:26 AM
Apr 27

He stepped down as DNC chair after a solid sweep in the 2008 election because the DNC chair is only the head of the party when we don’t have the White House. After 2008, we had not only the White House, but also the House and the Senate. He had a very deserved “my job is done here” moment. He was hoping Obama would name him as HHS Secretary, which would have been the perfect post for him. Judy would not have liked it, since she already didn’t see him much from 2003-2009. But Obama’s WH chief of staff hated Howard’s guts for being right about the 50 state strategy, and talked Obama into freezing Howard out of the administration.

Howard then said he would spend most of his time “raising hell for causes he cared about.” He has certainly done plenty of that. He has attended the Davos forum strictly as an environmental advocate. Sanders once refused to speak to Howard for four years after Howard won an environmental dispute in the city of Burlington. Sanders sided with some housing developers, and Howard won the dispute. Howard also organized a march from Bangkok to the Burmese border to raise awareness about human trafficking in the area. I know few people who ever give him credit for his involvement in either area, and Howard has never felt a pressing need to toot his own horn. He has also been very busy with a project together with Hillary Clinton working to recruit young Democrats to run for low-level political office, to try to build up a Democratic base within municipalities and then states. He never forgot how his 50 State Strategy worked so well when he was DNC chair.

If he does run for VT governor, at least Judy wouldn’t go nuts on him, since it wouldn’t involve him trying to commute to Burlington on weekends from the four corners of the earth any more. If he does it and wins, I would get something new out of it, too, I must confess. Of all the places we get together, including Washington, New York, South Carolina, Denver—we have never met up in Vermont! At least we’d get some more guitar time in. He is a Leo Kottke fan, like me and Al Franken.

I don’t know how strenuous the governor’s job in Vermont actually is, but I do know that since Montpelier is relatively close to Burlington, Judy would probably finally be cool if he took it. He would still have to campaign in the primary and the general. It has been a long time since he has himself campaigned for public office, but there are few people alive who have helped more candidates win elections. Several years ago, a friend of mine in Iowa decided to campaign for State Auditor. During his campaign, we had lunch in Washington while he was fundraising there. I told him he should contact Howard for advice. He said, “I’d love to, but how does someone like me contact Howard Dean?” I said, “like this!” I took out my phone, dialed Howard, and handed the phone to my friend from Iowa. I thought they would speak for five minutes, but they spoke for half an hour. My friend won his election, and is currently the ONLY Democrat to hold statewide office in Iowa. He is popular there, and is now considering running for governor.

Howard will be 76 this November, but he is still razor sharp, and knows the ropes of this game like almost no one else. If he runs, it will be because he thinks he has a chance of winning.

Voltaire2

(13,232 posts)
39. Dean getting hounded out of the race
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:32 AM
Apr 27

by a media circus over his enthusiastic speech at a campaign event was when it became clear to me that our culture had wobbled into outright insanity.

meadowlander

(4,411 posts)
44. Yes, please. Remember when a 5 second awkward sound clip was considered disqualifying for a presidential candidate?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 04:14 AM
Apr 29

How far we've come as a nation...

DFW

(54,462 posts)
45. I figured I might as well ask Howard outright
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:23 AM
Apr 29

So I did. Yesterday.

He said he was “considering it,” but has not by any means made a decision to run. He has never been anything but straight with me, and so I take him at his word. He will let me—and probably everyone else—know if and when.

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