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Celerity

(44,496 posts)
Wed May 22, 2024, 11:12 AM May 22

Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognize a Palestinian state, deepening Israel's isolation

https://apnews.com/article/norway-palestinian-state-ddfd774a23d39f77f5977b9c89c43dbc

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Norway, Ireland and Spain said Wednesday they would recognize a Palestinian state, a historic but largely symbolic move that further deepens Israel’s isolation more than seven months into its grinding war against Hamas in Gaza. Israel immediately denounced the decisions and recalled its ambassadors to the three countries.

Palestinians welcomed the announcements as an affirmation of their decades-long quest for statehood in east Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip — territories Israel seized in the 1967 Mideast war and still controls.

While some 140 countries — more than two-thirds of the United Nations — recognize a Palestinian state, Wednesday’s cascade of announcements could build momentum at a time when even close allies of Israel have piled on criticism for its conduct in Gaza.

It was the second blow to Israel’s international reputation this week after the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said he would seek arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his defense minister. The International Court of Justice is also considering allegations of genocide that Israel has strenuously denied.



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Norway, Ireland and Spain say they will recognize a Palestinian state, deepening Israel's isolation (Original Post) Celerity May 22 OP
More countries will follow. It's time. The Palestinians have been treated historically as... brush May 22 #1
Which is "the state"? Igel May 22 #3
Did you not get that I said Hamas must be eliminated? The other issues must of course be worked out... brush May 22 #5
Good HD56 May 22 #2
They have also long rejected it. edisdead May 22 #7
30% of Spaniards are antisemitic. Mosby May 22 #4
In most places, the only kind of Jews EllieBC May 22 #6

brush

(54,513 posts)
1. More countries will follow. It's time. The Palestinians have been treated historically as...
Wed May 22, 2024, 11:24 AM
May 22

as the "wretched of the Earth" if I may borrow the title of author Franz Fanon's 1961 book of the same name. Again, it's time for some fairness and justice to be done to a people who have been subjected to a Nakba and this latest horrific treatment in Gaza and the West Bank.

Hamas of course has to be eliminated and left out of the equation.

Igel

(35,522 posts)
3. Which is "the state"?
Wed May 22, 2024, 02:47 PM
May 22

Hamas' goverment in Gaza or Abbas' West Bank?

Neither's a valid government at this point--imagine if Trump had cancelled elections because the (R)s would lose, in 2020, and now it's 2030?

Who's the legit head of state?

Moreover, who's got the greater claim to being the cause of the sudden unilateral recognition?

What it's done is say, "Invade and kill 1200 Jews, get 20-30k of your wards, uh, human shields killed, and we'll find a way of rewarding you for your intense victimization." If nothing else, Hamas can hold its head up high--it's garnered recognition and support by its actions.

brush

(54,513 posts)
5. Did you not get that I said Hamas must be eliminated? The other issues must of course be worked out...
Wed May 22, 2024, 03:39 PM
May 22

perhaps by internationally monitored elections by honest broker nations. Certainly not the US, Israel, Iraq or other nations too closely tied to the present conflict.

If roadblocks with impossible to meet conditions keep getting thrown up, there will be another 75 years of on-again-off-again conflict. I trust that's not what you want.

Mosby

(16,562 posts)
4. 30% of Spaniards are antisemitic.
Wed May 22, 2024, 03:16 PM
May 22

And Ireland is similar or higher.

This isn't "deepening Israel's isolation", it's a cheap political stunt to appease the local bigots in the aforementioned countries.

EllieBC

(3,118 posts)
6. In most places, the only kind of Jews
Wed May 22, 2024, 03:42 PM
May 22

they like are the self deprecating apologetic types. The ones that don’t keep kosher and insult fellow Jews who do, insult traditions, apologize for existing, and say they hate Israel.

This is known by anyone Jewish who has refused to play the appeasement game.

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