For those protest Isreal at the White House

[Smackdown2019]

1. United States is not at war and have no bearing to a decision making ability to make either sides to come to terms.

2. Today, Isreal saved FOUR ALIVE kidnapped civilians from the Oct 2023 attack. This just goes to show, Hamas has the ability to end this war by turning over all Kidnapped innocent civilians.

3. Gaza civilians have been warn that they are in an war zone and to exit to a safe haven; yet, they remain and allow the Hamas terrorists to hide behind them. War is war.

Again, war is war. Aggression must be stopped for peace to be achieved.

We Americans take peace for granted. Its actually fragile, its something that can be easily lost if we, The UNITED States fail to remain reunited.

From our creation, thirteen colonies united to stop British Aggression onto them. Today, as a United Front for 250 years, we are a world power. We must stop this infighting and united as Americans!

[Bad Thoughts]

1. Hamas must surrender now

There is no hope of changing course. Hamas started a war because it thought violence would achieve results different than other means. They failed. Moreover, they gave Israel license to commit acts of war. Hamas has the war it wanted, but it is not going their way. Protesters who want to promote peace must change public discourse. Rather than encourage Hamas (or Houthis or Hezhollah) , they need to tell Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Then rebuilding can begin.

[jimfields33]

2. Absolutely spot on. Great post! Truth!!!!!

[Bok_Tukalo]

3. American weapons burned children alive in tents

You may be cool with that; I mean, they are only Palestinians after all right? But others may get upset that they are partly responsible for that atrocity.

[Bad Thoughts]

4. There is no gentleman's war

War is messy and imprecise, and Hamas dragged its urban communities into it. They chose violence as the way of interacting with Israel and gave Israel license to do the same. Hamas is experiencing what war is. Gaza is experiencing what war is. Anyone who wants peace and the end to the tragedies should demand Hamas surrender. Anything else prolongs the tragedy.

[sheshe2]

5. And you know this how?

American weapons burned children alive in tents

Which countries are currently providing armaments to Israel?
The US is the biggest supplier, providing an estimated 68% of Israel’s foreign-sourced weapons. But Germany, providing around 30%, is also a serious supplier. Others are believed to include Britain, Italy and Australia – although Penny Wong, the Australian foreign affairs minister, has said her country has not supplied weapons since the start of the Gaza conflict.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/09/us-israel-weapons

[mcar]

6. Proof?

[question everything]

7. Prove it!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. Let's see your proof on that statement.

[betsuni]

12. Which ones?

[Dorian Gray]

13. I am NOT cool with that, but where we differ is who we hold culpable

I am 100% okay with holding Hamas responsible for their deaths. Their actions led to this. They're refusals to negotiate. They kidnapped and held civilian hostages. They left a wake of horror, knowing it would lead to this. Any nation would be right in defending itself and its citizens in the wake of an attack like Oct. 7th.

[Bok_Tukalo]

14. "Hamas" is a magic word

… that relieves Israel from the responsibility for all the negative consequences of their actions.

Aid workers murdered? Children starving to death? Pregnant women shot (an IDF 2fer!)? Innocent people fleeing cruelty, brutality, and malice burned where they lay sleeping?

Just say “Hamas” and **poof** Israel receives absolution.

The word is so powerful, it reaches all the way to East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

[Dorian Gray]

16. I am going to say something here that I may regret

bc the above statements tell me that you won't hear it. But here it goes:

Hamas is the the government of Gaza. Elected in years ago, never ceding power. YOUR WORDS ABOVE take away the agency of the people who are in Hamas and the people who live in Gaza/Palestine. They are as capable of the actions and the horrible things that have occurred. They aren't a MAGIC WORD that absolves Israel of its actions. That is paternalistic claptrap... Why paternalistic? It's pushing a narrative of lack of agency on people who live in third world conditions.

I do NOT think Israel could do no wrong. I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu or his current government. And you know who else isn't? A lot of people in Israel's population. Yet people treat Israel as a bogeyman around the world, on a murderous rampage for shits and giggles.

Hamas is responsible for much of the death that has occurred. Israel also bears responsibility, of course. It's war. But it's a war that was started on October 7th by the HORRIFIC actions of Hamas and the people who supported their goals. Hamas has embedded itself and the hostages into the community, using the Palestinian people as human shields. Hamas has had agency this whole time. They could have agreed to a ceasefire. They could have released every single hostage. They DO NOT WANT TO. They like what is happening because they hate Israelis more than they love their own people.

[Smackdown2019]

17. Right on !

Hamas only cares about those that practices their own religion, all others they seek war with. Its a religious war. War is war. Nothing polite about it. Death amd destruction occurs in war. So does no take backs, or undo of things. End of war bestows more hate of those who loses either life, property or their fight.

[NutmegYankee]

15. Warning: Holding hostages might be hazardous to your health

Releasing the hostages would prevent any other children from dying. The Palestinians could make it stop and they choose not to do so.

[question everything]

8. And for the ones seeking a ceasefire - there was one on Oct 7. Many Gazans worked in Israel

[betsuni]

11. Yes, many Gazans worked in Israel, what are they going to do now. Thanks, Hamas.

[Vogon_Glory]

10. As horrid as many of IDF actions have been, I

strongly suspect Hamas of stashing the hostages among large groups of Palestinian non-combatants on purpose. They’ve not only taken their captives as hostages, but they’re using their own people (Palestinians, and non-combatants at that!) as meat shields.

It’s a tactic that stokes outrage against Netanyahu in the west and in many Arab countries. It’s also a tactic that wouldn’t work if Hamas had been facing the Assads of Syria. The Assad would have let loose hell on the bystanders, whether they were captors or innocents.

That people using their own countrymen (men, women, and children) as meat-shields and shrapnel-sponges might not be worth supporting doesn’t seem to be an idea getting that much circulation among the ultra-left in the west and elsewhere when they think about Gaza.