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Some people are above the law (Original Post) mia Monday OP
K and fucking R Blue Owl Monday #1
I like the sentiment, but in reality "felon" is not off the Prez job app; it is widely known Bernardo de La Paz Monday #2
LOL Seriously? NanaCat Monday #10
Please read my post again. You have missed the obvious Bernardo de La Paz Monday #12
The meme is not talking about holding the job. soldierant Monday #13
What part of the meme "If you can be a felon and be a president" do you not understand? Bernardo de La Paz Monday #16
The mem continues soldierant Monday #18
It's a good rant though DoBW Monday #17
This is dumb. Let felons work with children, etc. because Trump's cult insists on elevating him? tritsofme Monday #3
You can NOT join the military Farmer-Rick Monday #4
You can't be in the military past a certain age either. onenote Monday #14
The irony, of course, is that it was rd states who wouldn't allow felons to vote. Martin68 Monday #5
Absofuckinglutely! onecaliberal Monday #6
No one is above the law LetMyPeopleVote Monday #7
In real life, no matter how we try to claim otherwise, it's naive to claim nobody is above the law. elocs Monday #8
Next up: You can be a SC justice with a felony. nt BWdem4life Monday #9
Unless you're impeached, and convicted by the Senate, yes you can. onenote Monday #15
As with so many things, that depends. quaint Tuesday #21
I'll clarify: a criminal conviction in and of itself is not a bar to becoming a lawyer onenote Tuesday #22
This orangecrush Monday #11
Yeah right. littlemissmartypants Tuesday #19
All barn yard animals are equal. multigraincracker Tuesday #20

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,309 posts)
2. I like the sentiment, but in reality "felon" is not off the Prez job app; it is widely known
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 12:19 PM
Monday

The logical flaw in the reasoning of the meme is that it compares info with restrictions: apples and oranges. It takes a missing restriction and equates it to a job app question.


It is not forbidden to hire felons, except in specific cases like financial felons in financial jobs.

It is not forbidden to hire felons as President of the USA.


It is common to ask on job apps if there is a felony conviction in the person's past.

It is common in this election to discuss tRump's known felony convictions.


I think felons should by law (Constitutional amendment) be prohibited from elected federal office and presidential appointment, unless the oldest felony is more than say 30 years ago (people can reform "youthful indiscretions" given time and support and will). I think the Electoral College should be eliminated at the same time.
 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
10. LOL Seriously?
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 05:14 PM
Monday

You've never applied for a job, I take it, because the vast majority of jobs I applied for over the years did indeed ask about any prior convictions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,309 posts)
12. Please read my post again. You have missed the obvious
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 05:37 PM
Monday

Of course apps ask about convictions. I think you are taking offense needlessly.

When I wrote

It is common to ask on job apps if there is a felony conviction in the person's past
what part did you not understand?

soldierant

(7,151 posts)
13. The meme is not talking about holding the job.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 06:17 PM
Monday

The mem is taliking about applying for the job, and asking the question. Not saying you are not correct in your statements - but the application is exactly what the meme is saying needs to be changed. Sort of like "Don't ask, don't tell."

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,309 posts)
16. What part of the meme "If you can be a felon and be a president" do you not understand?
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 06:28 PM
Monday

Being president means holding the job.

Ergo, the meme is talking about holding the job.

soldierant

(7,151 posts)
18. The mem continues
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 10:42 PM
Monday

"If you can be a felon and be president, they need to remove felon off of all job applications, rental applications, and professsional certifications."

The only reason a felon can be president is that it's not "on the application" - it's not on the list of qualifications to be President.
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." That's it. Nothing about felony convictions there. Adding to that can only be done by Constitutional Amendment - like the one which limits a President's terms.

tritsofme

(17,575 posts)
3. This is dumb. Let felons work with children, etc. because Trump's cult insists on elevating him?
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 12:26 PM
Monday

These restrictions can stand or fall on their own, we shouldn’t collectively lower our standards because Trump exists.

Farmer-Rick

(10,391 posts)
4. You can NOT join the military
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 01:23 PM
Monday

If you are on probation. So all those suckers and losers he would lead, as Commander and Chief, have better characters and morals than he does.

You can sometimes join some of the military services if you are a convicted felon (and finished with probation or parole) with a moral waiver.

I think convicted felons should apply for moral waivers to Congress if they want to be the president.

onenote

(43,236 posts)
14. You can't be in the military past a certain age either.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 06:25 PM
Monday

But it doesn't matter, because the Commander in Chief is not a member of the military, as I'm sure you know.

elocs

(22,762 posts)
8. In real life, no matter how we try to claim otherwise, it's naive to claim nobody is above the law.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 02:42 PM
Monday

Clearly, some are.

onenote

(43,236 posts)
15. Unless you're impeached, and convicted by the Senate, yes you can.
Mon Jun 10, 2024, 06:28 PM
Monday

You can become a lawyer with a criminal conviction on your record. You may end up being disbarred if you commit the felony AFTER becoming a member of the bar. And you don't have to be a member of the bar to be a Supreme Court justice.

onenote

(43,236 posts)
22. I'll clarify: a criminal conviction in and of itself is not a bar to becoming a lawyer
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:51 PM
Tuesday

From the California Bar Website.

8. Are there criminal offenses that are an absolute bar to a positive moral character determination? Will a misdemeanor or felony conviction alone prevent me from obtaininga positivemoralcharacterdetermination?
No. There is no act of misconduct that automatically disqualifies an applicant from obtaining a positive moral character determination. The State Bar makes moral character determinations on a case-by-case basis, considering each applicant’s history. When an applicant has criminal history, the State Bar determines whether sufficient rehabilitation has occurred to warrant a positive moral character determination.
https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/documents/admissions/moralCharacter/Moral-Character-FAQ.pdf

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