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GOP Rep Delivers a House Floor Speech Straight Out of The Handmaids Tale
BLESSED BE THE FRUIT
In a speech before the House that seemed lifted right out of Margaret Atwoods dystopian classic, Rep. Glenn Grothman said he wants the U.S. to go back to 1960.
Anna Conkling
Published Jul. 12, 2024 7:00AM EDT
Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI) on Thursday accused the angry feminist movement of emasculating men and said the U.S. should work our way back to 1960 if former President Donald Trump wins in November.
In a House floor speech that could have been lifted from Margaret Atwoods dystopian novel The Handmaids Tale, Grothman went after supporters of government-funded childcare programs and said President Lyndon Johnsons War on Poverty took the purpose out of the mans life, because now you have a basket of goodies for the mom. He added, Theyve taken away the purpose of the man to be part of a family. And if we want to get America back to, say, 1960, where this was almost unheard of, we have to fundamentally change these programs.
Grothman said the breakdown of the family was caused by the U.S. government in the 1960s and people like Angela Davis, well-known communist, people like the feminists who were so important in the 1960s.
So I hope the press corps picks up on this, and I hope Republican and Democrat leadership put together some sort of plan for January, in which we work our way back to where America was in the 1960s, he added.
more...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-glenn-grothman-delivers-speech-straight-out-of-the-handmaids-tale?ref=home?ref=home
Walleye
(43,878 posts)So I guess hes been emasculated since the 1960s. Is he going to be replaced by somebody darker skinned. These people are nuts.
Liberal In Texas
(16,008 posts)These guys are Neanderthals. Apology to Neanderthals.
GoCubsGo
(34,685 posts)Back to the days when women were considered property...
iscooterliberally
(3,151 posts)machoneman
(4,128 posts)...pushing the buttons another Neanderthal, RW male pops out.
Ford_Prefect
(8,518 posts)of them to take over local government, state and national legislatures, the GOP and the White House. He is not just one of a few organically stupid jerks in elected office. He is one of thousands of RW true believers you'll find on school boards, city and county commissions, in the many GOP controlled state legislatures and governorships. They are the 3rd generation of what became visible as Newt Gingrich's Party of NO, followed by the Tea Party, and now MAGA. As such they are a numerically significant part of American political life. They are also a cancer on the body politic in that their goal is to disable and consume democratic government at every level to the ultimate benefit of the Ultra Rich and the Christian Nationalists. While not all of them are as outspoken as the tool mentioned above they are all well vetted and enthusiastic members of the cult.
flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)Dont chknow?
no_hypocrisy
(54,365 posts)Hugin
(37,479 posts)Give it a rest.
Hugin
(37,479 posts)Cognitive tests, all around.
flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)Make no mistake, if these Bozos manage to make men think that women are the enemy then
things are gonna get ugly.
Their message is that women are are free to make decisions that dont include them
they will pull ALL the rights that we have earned over the last 50 years.
When women cant vote or buy homes, get credit or even have a job
..
Rebl2
(17,436 posts)guess not even republican women want this kind of man in office.
Judi Lynn
(164,050 posts)
madaboutharry
(42,028 posts)like the free reign men had to sexually harass women, the racist disenfranchisement of minority voters, and all the separate bathrooms, drinking fountains, and segregated schools down south.
A bit of context: Grothman's district includes the hometown of Joe McCarthy as well as the national headquarters of The John Birch Society.
Autumn
(48,769 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2024, 08:41 AM - Edit history (1)
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Judi Lynn
(164,050 posts)The Real Reason Cardi B Got U.S. Rep Glenn Grothman All Riled Up
Let's focus on real issamues, please.
Alice Kelly
Written on Apr 23, 2021
Cardi B had some fighting words for Republican Rep. Glenn Grothman after he criticized the performance she and Megan Thee Stallion gave of their song "WAP" at the Grammy Awards in March.
In the midst of a pandemic, a racial reckoning, demands for police reform, and the ongoing battle against climate change, the GOP congressman from Wisconsin stood on the House floor on Thursday morning with only one issue on his mind: Cardi B and WAP."
What did Representative Glenn Grothman say about Cardi B and "WAP"?
Grothman claimed that, like the FCC, he had received complaints about the superstar's performance at the Grammys, saying I realize that Kamala Harris has used her fame to promote this performer, but I assure the FCC that millions of Americans would view her performance as inconsistent with basic decency.
He also blamed Cardi B and the FCC's "complacency" in the matter for the moral decline of America.
"Wake up, FCC, and begin to do your job," he chastised the US government agency, the actual job of which is to "[regulate] interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories" and implement and enforce "Americas communications law and regulations." as well as to "promote connectivity and ensure a robust and competitive market."
More:
https://www.yourtango.com/2021341798/why-cardi-b-has-rep-glenn-grothman-riled-up
Ray Bruns
(6,008 posts)Well, that was a lie. People who vote for Glenn dont know who Cardi B is and dont watch the Grammys.
Lovie777
(21,874 posts)atreides1
(16,799 posts)The women of the GQP are even worse than their male masters!!!
Blue Owl
(58,218 posts)
Scrivener7
(58,454 posts)ck4829
(37,433 posts)Chalk this up to rosy retrospection.
AllaN01Bear
(28,653 posts)Progressive dog
(7,572 posts)Only an idiot would think things were better then. Rivers were burning, smog was killing people in many cities. Syracuse, NY had a river that was so acidic you touching it would burn your skin. Onondaga Lake was a septic tank.
https://www.npr.org/2012/07/31/157413747/americas-most-polluted-lake-finally-comes-clean
"The lake [smelled] so bad [from the pollution] that you had to roll the windows up," he recalls.
By then, swimming had already been banned for more than a decade. Because of mercury contamination, fishing was banned in 1972, although there were not many fish in the lake. Effler says there was so little oxygen that fish often swam right out of the lake.
In many countries there were regular famines where many people starved.
Great Chinese Famine 195961[16] Half of the country, in particular Anhui (18% died), Chongqing (15% died), Sichuan (13% died), Guizhou (11% died), Hunan (8% died)[17] Great Leap Forward, Floods, Droughts, Typhoons, Insect Invasion[18] 2.6 million to 55 million died.[19][17][20][
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines_in_China
Stuckinthebush
(11,194 posts)Great time to be alive, eh?
Oh, and down here in the Deep South you better be a white person or else you might get killed for looking at someone wrong.
So, yeah no thanks on going back to when women were second class citizens, black and brown people were less than that, and the environment was killing us all.
keep_left
(3,168 posts)...actually caught fire two times! This was before we finally got an EPA and environmental laws that were strong enough to deter the kind of pollution that existed in the '60s and '70s.
Stuckinthebush
(11,194 posts)Thank god for the EPA! The GOP would have us go back to such a perfect time where corporations could make massive amounts of money while destroying the environment.
flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)ProfessorGAC
(75,888 posts)While some of the fires were minor compared to 1952 or 1969 (the former being the worst), the times the river caught fire in double digits.
Now, those 14 fires extended over a 101 year period, but still, a body of water catching fire every 14 or 15 years? Unreal.
keep_left
(3,168 posts)...that got the attention of the major news media (which would show up when doing research for a book). But that number of fires is just...beyond. My understanding is that back then, there was a lot of heavy industry along the Cuyahoga, and they were just dumping huge amounts of flammable solvents and other chemicals directly into the river. Since those chemicals are usually less dense than water, they float on top as an oil slick, and all it takes is a spark from an outboard motor, etc.
ProfessorGAC
(75,888 posts)Alcohols with high combustibility of flammability are fully miscible in water.
As I'm sure you know, we can't light beer on fire unless the temperature is elevated.
So for it to be miscible flammables, the river would have to be than 10% alcohol. Even a company with zero regard to the environment would dump that much solvent, because it would be a gigantic waste of money.
So, these flammables had to be something that floats on water.
Just guessing, but I'm going with benzene, toluene, xylene & the like. Very flammable yet would concentrate on top like a combustible film.
Gladly, benzene is used far less today than it would be today. Too toxic. It's still used, but not like in the 60s and further back.
catbyte
(38,686 posts)DavidDvorkin
(20,500 posts)I wasn't old enough to vote for JFK. My first vote was for LBJ in 1964. We welcomed the change and were happy to bid goodbye to that world that Grothman wants to go back to.
If only we could have kept those changes coming, instead of backtracking later, how much better this nation and the world would be.
bluedigger
(17,402 posts)This guy has a true appreciation for the classics.
Solly Mack
(96,429 posts)JanMichael
(25,725 posts)I miss Jimmy Buffet...
Solly Mack
(96,429 posts)Wounded Bear
(63,886 posts)maybe then they could "spend more time with their families."
Just sayin'
Ziggysmom
(4,064 posts)Heck, in 1960 the average home price was $11,900! But a married woman couldnt get credit in her own name. Grothman is a kook!
Archae
(47,245 posts)He used to be in our state assembly, until he moved into our district.
While in the assembly, he said about income parity based on gender, that "Money isn't important to women."
No wonder he's still single.
AllyCat
(18,567 posts)Lobbying for public schools. Utterly dismissed with a wave of his hand and left us with his staffer who had no answers to anything.
suegeo
(3,105 posts)Is hypocritical the right word for this creeping white guy.
He can't get a woman, start and support a family, but that's LBJ's fault and the fault of angry feminists.
He's an incel, I guess. Angry nobody will fu*k him and put up with his bullshit.
He said "Money isn't important to women"
Money is very important to women. We use money to leave bad marriages. We have money so we don't HAVE TO get married, especially not to assholes like Glenn.
58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)This pig just wants to hamstring women into forced birth, bad marriages, no autonomy.
Ocelot II
(129,271 posts)they've done it to themselves. If their sad little balls shrivel at the thought of women not needing men, there was never much there to begin with.
Raven123
(7,578 posts)Maeve
(43,338 posts)We aren't going back anymore than I can do that.
slightlv
(7,448 posts)Just keep going Repug men. I'll give you a statement also well known in families...
If mama ain't happy... no one's happy!
Guess what... "mama" ain't happy with you, and we're gonna show you by how much this Nov!!!
sybylla
(8,655 posts)Unfortunately, his Wikipedia page is full of this crap and more: misogyny, anti-education, anti-LGBTQIA, ad nauseum for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Grothman?wprov=sfti1
Dulcinea
(9,706 posts)And they didn't choose him. Bless his heart.
Raven123
(7,578 posts)Dems should use his words as reason to flip the House in this years election
Funtatlaguy
(11,872 posts)Hieronymus Phact
(725 posts)You couldn't have been much of a Man in the first place.
Evolve Dammit
(21,528 posts)Solly Mack
(96,429 posts)Fuck that noise.
AncientOfDays
(254 posts)On the other hand, in the 1960's we taxed the rich
julmur
(222 posts)This food has been a total POS since hes been in office, unfortunately hes in an extremely red area of Wisconsin, so impossible to vote him out
Martin68
(27,123 posts)they were in 1960. On the contrary, most men are expected to play a much fuller role in the family than in 1960, when the traditional husband's roles were confined to being the sole breadwinner and mowing the lawn.
Rebl2
(17,436 posts)have been much more involved in their childrens lives the last 20 years than they ever were in the 1960s. I remember when a young family moved in across the street from us when I was a child-in the 60s. My father talked to the young man who said he really had no interest in the kids while they were toddlers. He said when the kids get older he would have more to do with them. My Dad, who was about 10 to 15 years older than him, couldnt believe what he was hearing I am pretty sure. That guy did become more involved with his kids when they got older, and I would guess regrets saying that out loud to someone. At that time he seemed to be more interested in working on his cars and listening to loud rock and roll music.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)Grothman is referring to a specific type of man, usually living in the inner city and a few shades darker than the men Grothman interacts with while practicing his game at Whistling Straits.
Trueblue Texan
(4,221 posts)hadEnuf
(3,535 posts)Or is it the reality of keeping people poor with little hope of moving out of it and women basically being kept subjected to only have the identity of "Mrs. John Jones" or some such crap. Not to mention women stuck in abusive relationship that would only cease if they "disappear" or exit horizontally through the front door.
Bev54
(13,229 posts)Rebl2
(17,436 posts)what 1960s he was living in, but I was a child and really have no good memories of the 60s. I take that back, I did like following the Apollo missions.
patphil
(8,739 posts)This is just more mindless blather from the " women should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" crowd.
And, of course, it's also just the tip of the iceberg. He most likely wants to flush the whole civil rights movement down the toilet.
Even his hair is white, male supremacist.
eShirl
(20,093 posts)EVERYBODY VOTE
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(13,330 posts)Male Narcissism in action.
We have to get narcissism in this country under control.
These two bastards are narcissists first before they scapegoat women.
Get the narcissism in the population under control the men will follow.
republianmushroom
(22,125 posts)who must want this also. Seems to me they are voting against there best interest.
But there they are.
Collimator
(2,083 posts). . . there were no slaves traveling about giving speeches about how great slavery was. . . However, there were women traveling the country during the more heated years of the Suffrage Movement who were vehemently stumping against giving women the vote. It is one of the most chilling tells of how intensely ingrained misogyny is in most of human culture.
Granted, even today, social experiments show Black children regarding darker-skinned dolls as less attractive than lighter-skinned dolls, so there is still a great deal of deeply ingrained self hatred regarding race in this country, but misogyny can be both blatant and subtle and it is oh so disturbingly pervasive.
My hope is in each new cohort of girls turning 18 and becoming voting age women in America. I still remember the stirring words of one 12 year old speaker at the massive gun control rally that took place weeks later. She essentially put the politicians of the day on notice regarding what would happen when her generation came of age. I really, REALLY, hope that she will have turned 18 before the election this November. Whether she does or not, I will be thinking about her when I cast my ballot.
And regarding those observations about neanderthals-- remember that they are gone for a reason. They were out paced by homo sapiens not because we had bigger muscles or even bigger brains, for that matter. The general consensus is that our species was more flexible and adaptable to change. Never bet against change because the Universe is founded on it.
The 1960's are NOT coming back. The can't. Now, who knows how good or bad the 2060's are going to be, but time moves in only one direction. Things CAN get worse, but they will never "get better" in terms of re-creating an illusion of the past. And people who direct their focus onto the past will never be happy no matter how the future plays out.
allegorical oracle
(6,222 posts)suegeo
(3,105 posts)I did a quick googl and found no wife, no mention of kids.
Glenn couldn't get a woman, and hopes he can someday be assigned a handmaid his own personal "Ofglenn"
Even if he is married to a woman, that does not negate in any way the "ick what a woman hater" vibe I get from this uptight white guy.
Model35mech
(2,047 posts)back in the massive anti-tyranny protests and calls for Walker's impeachment. He was SO dumb that he walked among the protestors telling them they were wrong to protest.
I was only a couple of dozen feet from him when after being surrounded on the west side of the capitol building by hundreds of angry protestors and hiding in a window well, he literally wet his pants in fear.
One of the Dem WI Senators intervened on his behalf, urged the crowd back away from him so he could escape unharmed. Probably saved Grothman's life.
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,358 posts)Republican Rep. Glenn Grothman not only slammed the angry feminist movement, he also called for the U.S. to work our way back to the 1960s.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gops-grothman-slams-angry-feminist-movement-seeks-return-1960s-rcna161534
Last year, the GOP congressman expressed concern that by diversifying the courts, President Joe Biden might be actively discriminating against white heterosexual men. Soon after, Grothman lamented the lack of white guys among the White Houses judicial nominees.
Unfortunately, hes still at it. The Daily Beast reported:
Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI) on Thursday accused the angry feminist movement of emasculating men and said the U.S. should work our way back to 1960 if former President Donald Trump wins in November.
Even by contemporary Republican standards, Grothmans remarks, delivered on the House floor from what appeared to be prepared notes, were striking......
After criticizing a variety of social-insurance programs including day care and pre-school and denouncing the angry feminist movement, the Republican concluded, So I hope the press corps picks up on this, and I hope Republican and Democrat [sic] leadership put together some sort of plan for January, in which we work our way back to where America was in the 1960s.
Link to tweet
I mention this because the former president is defined in large part by his retrospective perspective. Trump isnt forward thinking; he boasts about his desire to go backwards, to a time when he thinks America was great.
And while the presumptive GOP presidential nominee tends to be vague about just how far back he wants to roll back the clock, his congressional sycophant was more explicit: Grothman doesnt just want to go back four years, to Trumps term; he wants to go back six decades, to a time when people who looked and thought like him enjoyed a more exalted status over everyone else.
Boomerproud
(9,165 posts)CBHagman
(17,435 posts)...was more likely to end with a funeral.
I remember. It seems the congressman's train of thought hasn't stopped at that particular station.
alwaysinasnit
(5,556 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(13,006 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(175,358 posts)
TygrBright
(21,307 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)duncang
(3,767 posts)Other than the musings of a teen what does he actually remember from then about adult life.
bdamomma
(69,176 posts)showing how insecure and misogynist you are Rep Grotman????
Women are not second class citizens!!!!!! Or breeders!!!!!!
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)yourout
(8,730 posts)No longer just a Wisconsin embarrassment.
Kath2
(3,174 posts)The "angry feminist movement" is nothing but a reasonable response to being second class citizens for so long and which we still are. Yes, we are angry and have every reason to be. People like this have beat us down for too long. Social programs actually help people. And Angela Davis was far ahead of her time and a beautiful person Gloria Steinem, too. How dare he insult her! I certainly don't want to go back to 1960. He can go back to 1960. I want to be here in 2024.
GenThePerservering
(3,164 posts)old and in the way (at any age).