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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Veep has to be a white man
Preferably ex military and hopefully from the midwest or south, with a known name. Don't think Pete can be it because he's gay.
Mark Kelly?
Roy Cooper isn't known nationally or would be good
Jesus isn't available, and isn't white
ARandomPerson
(2,480 posts)obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)user_name
(61 posts)mnhtnbb
(32,198 posts)And the local news people have been suggesting that Cooper is on the short list for VP with Harris at top of the ticket.
Cooper has had to deal with right wing Repubs in this state for years. He's a soft spoken Southern gentleman. But he's savvy.
Island Blue
(6,287 posts)The highlight (?) of the early days of Covid for me was watching Gov. Coopers daily press conferences. And like you said, hes had to put up with a lot of 💩 from Republicans and he doesnt back down.
mnhtnbb
(32,198 posts)Home of Ft Liberty (formerly Ft Bragg)
She mentions Cooper at the top of her remarks, and that she's known him for 20 years.
Mark Kelly?
In It to Win It
(9,843 posts)I think we need someone from MI, PA or WI
jmbar2
(6,277 posts)In It to Win It
(9,843 posts)jmbar2
(6,277 posts)karynnj
(60,043 posts)debm55
(39,833 posts)Renew Deal
(83,242 posts)And it would be a compelling ticket.
tinrobot
(11,475 posts)When right to an abortion is on the ballot in places like Kansas, it wins overwhelmingly.
It would also win in the general.
PhilosopherKing
(386 posts)Whitmer. A woman-woman ticket. Unstoppable.
anglesphere
(197 posts)A woman of colour as POTUS and a woman who was almost a victim of Trump's mob, both presiding in office over Trump's eventual arrest and imprisonment.
Yes we can!
Big Blue Marble
(5,489 posts)We need a white male to balance the ticket.
Deuxcents
(20,381 posts)Kamala should pick a woman VP.
RubyRose
(260 posts)zbartz
(9 posts)A woman VP best . Run full tilt on Dobbs
ZonkerHarris
(25,522 posts)whopis01
(3,756 posts)cilla4progress
(26,003 posts)It should be Whitmer. She's a Midwestern governor with broad appeal and a great record.
Why a man??
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)I would prefer Whitmer.
ViewObsessed
(70 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,489 posts)I do not think so. We have to overcome their bias against one women and finally
break that glass ceiling.
cilla4progress
(26,003 posts)Whitmer is the popular governor of a midwestern swingy state.
Imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes - and in front, unfortunately...
choie
(4,781 posts)And certainly. It a woman of color. We are all in fantasy land.
cilla4progress
(26,003 posts)isn't ready?
Big Blue Marble
(5,489 posts)In this post Dobb's world, she is the woman who can do this it.
Ilsa
(62,341 posts)it's a winnable ticket. I don't trust the public to be unbiased about gender in leadership.
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AleksS
(1,702 posts)It'll draw the contrast into clear relief.
Whitmer has a great record, is personable, and isn't afraid to attack.
My first choice is Pete, but I would absolutely get behind and love a Harris/Whitmer ticket.
Raven123
(6,177 posts)obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)Or Pete, since I'm LGBT and I also admire him.
pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)Saying shit like this is like saying "guess Kamala can't be the presidential nominee because she's black. Too bad. Guess Gavin Newsom just went to the front of the line."
How about we NOT be the party of bigots?
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)A.married one. I am terrified. Toomany people will not for both Harris and Nayor Pete.
Do not call me a bigot. Harris was my #1. I voted for her for President in the 2020 primary.
MaryMagdaline
(7,926 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)If we're kowtowing to bigoted voters, why keep Harris on the ticket either? You actually think the bigots who won't vote for a gay man are going to love the idea of a black woman as their president? If that's our strategy, we should cut her now and put Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer on there.
edisdead
(3,359 posts)Also it isnt outright wrong for a white man to be on the ticket. There is nothing wrong with that.
misanthrope
(8,312 posts)won't acknowledge the many flavors of deeply imbued prejudices in this nation.
MuseRider
(34,424 posts)makes me so angry. I am not really a fan of anyone but Mayor Pete KNOWS his stuff and can do so much just with his way of saying things, framing the story or issue. I think he is brilliant and I think he is all the things we need PLUS HE IS GAY! Why is that not a good thing?
Anyway, straight old white as a sheet lady here who has spent the last 25 years or so fighting for every one to be equal. We slowly won the LGBT issues in Kansas (back flow is happening sadly) so I just always want to throw in. Proud sister of a gay man, friend to all. Love is love.
edisdead
(3,359 posts)I am sorry but as smart as he is, I am just not sure people would see him as a viable option to step into the president role if needed.
MuseRider
(34,424 posts)he has not even expressed a desire I do not think but I do not know that. Basically my comment was in strong support of LGBT+ citizens of our country to have as much of a chance as everyone else. I do think he is viable but not yet and I thought I made that clear but I must not have
Politicub
(12,294 posts)And Peter Thiel is gay. So what?
It makes your post even worse, actually, and should be a reminder to us all that internalized homophobia is a real thing.
nini
(16,769 posts)Our party would be ok with it but we need the centrist and unfortunately it might matter with enough of them.
pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)If that's your argument, that we have to pander to centrists and swing voters, why not get all straight white men? Do you actually think bigots who won't vote for a gay man are going to be thrilled with the idea of a black female president?
edisdead
(3,359 posts)That is ridiculous.
nini
(16,769 posts)But its not.
edisdead
(3,359 posts)lanlady
(7,188 posts)Its been painful to see people on DU this evening opining freely that we cant have 2 women on the ticket, or two minorities, or a woman and a Jew, or a woman and a gay man.
Not only CAN we, but itll give us a big edge over the party that wants to bring us back to the 1950s pre civil rights and womens lib era.
brush
(58,304 posts)That has to be the question as if she's bypassed, we can forget it as Black voters, a huge part of the base of the party and why Joe won in 2020, will feel bypassed too. We can't do that if we want to win so it's who works with Harris at the top of the ticket.
Harris and Whitmer? Two women could win if it was just Dems voting, so no, we can't be ruled by emotion.
Harris and Shapiro? Not bad. Good to combat the rethug mysoginist Vance.
Harris and Gov. Cooper. Can't go against him. A white, male from a battleground state, and a Southern state.
Harris and Sen. Kelly of AZ.Good also, from a battleground state, ex-military/astronaut, wife a mass shooting victim, his vacated US Senate seat would be filled by a Dem. governor appointee, plus, him on the ticket would give Dem Ruben Gallego a huge advantage against the hated Kari Lake, his opponent in the AZ US Senate race, meaning possibly two DEM US senators from Az.
IMO, Kelly has the edge, not by much though.
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Doc Sportello
(7,962 posts)President Clinton won with another young southerner - Gore - in that it made a point of a younger generation taking over. Just my opinion but I think two women running, with the VP candidate a Midwesterner would make a huge point. Women will decide this election in the favor of Democrats.
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)I don't mind your disagreement, and I hope I'm wrong snd you're right!
LexVegas
(6,616 posts)Renew Deal
(83,242 posts)maveric
(16,711 posts)But the gay thing might be a problem for some asshole voters.
pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)as a potential candidate due to sexist and racist voters.
Geez, when did we become the party that bows to bigots? If we're going to put Kamala on the ticket, we should be willing to put Pete on the ticket. It is literally no different. If the argument is that Pete will harm the ticket, then we shouldn't put Kamala on there for the exact same reasons. The voters who are unwilling to vote for Pete won't be willing to vote for her either.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,186 posts)We shouldnt let bigotry influence who we pick.
Pete is great, one of our best. Screw the haters. Theyre not voting for us no matter who we run
EX500rider
(11,646 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)EX500rider
(11,646 posts)edisdead
(3,359 posts)That is important to some people.
As would something about everyone else available. But he'd be fantastic. It would be a fun duo to watch!
Red Mountain
(1,950 posts)and the other 30% aren't voting for a Democrat, anyway.
Pete is a viable option.
I'm from NC and Roy Cooper would put NC in play. He's a little older, though. I think young would be good.
There are a LOT of good potential VP picks.
AwakeAtLast
(14,273 posts)usonian
(15,135 posts)And a veteran. Only privilege I claim is a free meal on Veterans Day, and the nice places are too far away, in general.
P.S. I am Mediterranean, and might not
Oh never mind.
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)In my heart I want Whitmer but I sadly dont think an all-woman ticket would win in this sexist country.
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)Whitmer would be my dream Veep.
Marigold
(221 posts)As a woman, I would love an all-woman ticket. But in this climate, and considering there are actually people who can't decide between fascism and democracy, I think we need to balance it out with a white male, sigh.......... And probably not one who is gay, sigh...... All I know is that we now have to coalesce around whoever it is, and as they say, "fight, fight, fight".
mobeau69
(11,730 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)Do we have another democrat who can win that senate seat in Arizona?
Do we have another democrat who can win governor in Kentucky? It's not as if Kentucky is going to go blue so unfortunately I don't think he's an advantage for us in an electoral sense, even if I think he's an interesting choice to run down the road.
Kingofalldems
(39,329 posts)To treat Trump like the chickenhawk punk he is.
standingtall
(3,007 posts)and it's 19 electoral votes. Kelly second and if neither are interested maybe then take a look at Cooper or Beshear. I think an all woman ticket when we are trying to get the first African American female President elected would be huge mistake as would trying to get the first openly gay VP in history.
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)I think we would win NC. I am good wirh Shapiro.
LeftInTX
(31,204 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,563 posts)LeftInTX
(31,204 posts)Daveigh
(43 posts)obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)mentalsolstice
(4,534 posts)Hes the right age and definitely knows how to put up with a lot of shit.
Arabela
(67 posts)obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)I am a married lesbian who is very left. I am frightened, like many of us, and want to win.
Harris was my #1 in 2020.
spicysista
(1,731 posts)I just hope we don't remove a dem from a red or swing state. As tight as things are, we can not afford to remove anyone from the field.
I'm not going to comment on whether or not the VP should be white and male.
I will say that Beto or Doug Jones wouldn't be bad choices.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,961 posts)can they just be smart and qualified and whatever on the freaking rest.
I know, I know voters, need to accept people and vote for smart people period. 4 years of TFG should have proved that out but cult members don't even pay attention to all the damage he actually caused....
lindysalsagal
(22,453 posts)And he's got too many gaffes on video.
LeftInTX
(31,204 posts)That's why Biden is leaving...
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LexVegas
(6,616 posts)obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)I'm a married lesbian in my 50s who campaigned for Kamala in 2020. This country is racist and sexist, even many "liberals" are.
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TiredGenXFemme
(39 posts)I am a queer woman in my 50's who works in a leadership position in reproductive healthcare. To say I have a personal stake in the outcome of this election is an understatement. You're sadly correct though. I've had relationships and friendships with both men and women There's plenty of rapist, misogynist Democratic men too. They're just more likely to hide it publicly.
I'm liking Mark Kelly or Andy Beshear; possibly Chris Murphy.
LASS
(7 posts)totodeinhere
(13,416 posts)I am not decided on who I will support for VP, but I think that Governor Whitmer would be an excellent choice, especially since we must win Michigan.
orange jar
(878 posts)My head says Mark Kelly or Josh Shapiro. I also think it has to be someone from one of the battleground states and who can appeal to midwestern independents.
obamanut2012
(27,961 posts)Tadpole Raisin
(1,561 posts)Right in a tizzy, Im all for.
Unwind Your Mind
(2,186 posts)I want to see him debate Vance, wouldnt that be a beautiful, fantastic thing?
multigraincracker
(34,546 posts)Only Grayish Pink in various shades.
Race is an invalid concept according to Anthropologists and Geneticist.
SKKY
(12,334 posts)...Either way, we have a very deep bench.
Abolishinist
(2,098 posts)but as of now Mark Kelly tops my list, with Gretchen Whitmer a close second.
NoRethugFriends
(3,119 posts)Auggie
(31,966 posts)Former congressperson. Ran against Vance for Senate.
ARandomPerson
(2,480 posts)He knifed Biden when we needed people to stand strong.
Auggie
(31,966 posts)W_HAMILTON
(8,595 posts)Let him stay wherever he's been since he lost his election by thinking he could shit on Democrats all the way to victory.
rockbluff botanist
(360 posts)I really would prefer John Tester , Montana Senator, to be the nominee. He is a true blue Democrat. A farmer and wins in his red state.
I don't want another Hillary failure due to misogynists. We need a big, burley man. He once took up the orange asshole's physical challenge. Trump of course did not give him a time or date.
LW1977
(1,419 posts)Abolishinist
(2,098 posts)can you imagine a debate between Al and JD!
LW1977
(1,419 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,743 posts)He's known nationally. He can attack. He's funny and likeable. And he's from a Great Lakes state.
Wonder Why
(4,811 posts)I am almost as old as Biden but have a lot more forgetfulness.
I was born in the south (South Brooklyn)
I'm not one of those swamp things like being an ex-president, committing felonies, or being a lifetime politician.
I'm not afraid to take advantage of SCOTUS decisions and removing some of Trump's toadies.
I don't need any more money so have no need to sell out to anyone.
Slava Ukraini
Lanius
(630 posts)I could get behind Whitmer for VP, but if Kamala is at the top of the ticket she needs a male running mate. Sorry, but sexism and misogyny still exist in America. No way an all-female ticket wins, even in 2024.
cilla4progress
(26,003 posts)ticket, and instead for tsf?
Dems? Independents? Rs??!!
bluestarone
(18,468 posts)It has to be two strong woman. This country is ready for it!! Kick this Supreme Courts ASS!!
politicat
(9,810 posts)Former member of the House
Is himself a tech multi-millionaire, speaks Tech Bro fluently.
Is often too glibertarian for my tastes (hes always been rich and it shows), but hes a solid Dem and tees up the mid-centrist.
Is a real tech millionaire, unlike JD Byrider there who was just a tech billionaires lackey.
Is term-limited as governor, so leaving now is NBD.
Has a GREAT lieutenant governor to set up.
Is a western states Dem, with Western States water policy experience. Knows the Colorado River Compact like its a holy book.
Has solid executive experience.
Is Jewish, and gay, and married, and has kids.
ARandomPerson
(2,480 posts)A black woman as the presidential nominee is a big deal. Just as Obama needed Biden in 2008, she needs a safe comfortable running mate.
Straight white male. I wish it were otherwise, but I don't think it is. Unfair to Polis and Buttigieg (and Whitmer), but it is what it is.
Lulu Latech
(29,101 posts)He is my favorite sleeper politician who doesnt get the attention he deserves
barbaraann
(9,289 posts)One of my dream tickets is Inslee-Whitehouse.
Slogan - Inslee-Whitehouse IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
MurrayDelph
(5,456 posts)He is one of my favorite Senators who isn't mine. But right now we can't give up any more Senate seats.
helpisontheway
(5,285 posts)many blacks did not warm up to him due to some things when he was mayor. However, he definitely knows how to stick it to republicans while being pleasant. lol
LeftInTX
(31,204 posts)Both mayors. Both cabinet members. Castro didn't get very far.
Brenda
(1,365 posts)America is still too backwards to vote for 2 women.
Mark Kelly would be an excellent candidate and VP. Former astronaut, lots of name recognition, moderate who will bring in swing votes.
I just want to know what finally made Biden drop out? He was saying he was going to run just a couple of days ago.
Clearly he was forced out.
rockbluff botanist
(360 posts)Now is the time to put away the bigot, racist, sexist talk and take a long hard look at the makeup of the country at this point in history.
It would be great to have a black woman for president. But, I don't think we can chance it. Pete is great, but he's gay and we can't chance it.
John Tester would have a very wide appeal. He's a man of the people and not from California (my apologies, California.)
I am a woman in the red Florida panhandle.
XanaDUer2
(14,805 posts)fishwax
(29,328 posts)lisa58
(5,780 posts)no_hypocrisy
(49,472 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,778 posts)I think he's great, but please don't replace an old white guy with another old white guy.
WiVoter
(1,161 posts)Hes got a great background, humble beginnings & wicked smart.
JohnSJ
(96,925 posts)germanparlor
(12 posts)He is so elaborate, a good explainer, he's kinda funny and always perfectly on the facts.
Sure some (military) hardliners would be necessary for the shadow cabinet.
Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,407 posts)demmiblue
(37,893 posts)PhilosopherKing
(386 posts)In fact, whitmer as VP would dominate the news. Remember, more women vote than men.
farmboy
(296 posts)Two strong women and leaders teamed together to save Democracy and prevent fascism in America! Women vs boys!!! Theyve already jailed other felons and dodged would-be kidnappers, respectively. Putting old man Donny and his little me JD in there place will just another day on the job!
Raftergirl
(1,367 posts)IMO, Beshear would be the best pick. Already has won election twice in a very Red State. And he is only in his forties. He is,obviously a centrist but that should help with the independents.
My 95 yr old mom just texted she donated to Kamala.
Talked to my neighbors 29 yr old daughter and she and her friends have been texting and they are very excited.
This is going to reenergize the Ds and the donors are going to open up their pocketbooks, now.
I just hope the whining and infighting stops and we all get behind whoever is on the ticket against the one old demented guy still running.
.
Dan
(4,181 posts)There was a White man up north of here in Snohomish County that was caught (not sure if he was prosecuted because might have been consensual) screwing his horse. Might he be considered since hes White and Trump also engaged in sexual indiscretions?
James48
(4,629 posts)He can take on anything. Hes got wide support, too.
still-prayin4rain
(257 posts)Blue Full Moon
(1,403 posts)EdmondDantes
(16 posts)The time for us pushing old white men with their ideas and agendas is over and has never worked well. We need to show the world leadership with our extremely capable women at the helm.
NowISeetheLight
(3,991 posts)I'd go for either the Governor of Pennsylvania (Josh Shapiro) or the Senator from Michigan (Gary Peters).
Shapiro graduated Magna from Georgetown as a lawyer. Peters was a Navy Lt. Commander, so military veteran.
ARandomPerson
(2,480 posts)nuxvomica
(13,065 posts)He's a smooth talker and a challenging debater and, more importantly, he shares some of Biden's accomplishments, which is going to carry weight with voters. The people who won't vote for him because he's gay won't vote for a Democrat anyway.
Rhiannon12866
(225,722 posts)He's smart, well spoken and amazingly calm - exactly what we need against the horrible duo that we're inexplicably facing.
mucholderthandirt
(1,254 posts)Or her and Whitmer. Frankly, I'm tired of the "but..." she's a woman , or a POC, or someone is great, but they're gay.
It's time to shake this thing up, if we don't get Biden. When is it ever going to be the time for a woman, or a non-white, or a gay person? If you listen to the party, that would be never. I can't wait that long.
Roy Cooper has done wonders for NC, but he's older, white and male, and there would be a push to have him first on the ticket and I don't think that's right. Kamala Harris in the #1 spot, then her choice for shotgun.
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ViewObsessed
(70 posts)Maybe AOC??
Politicub
(12,294 posts)Racism, sexism and homophobia. We are better than this.
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)As a 54-year-old black woman. I approve this message.
Dem4life1234
(2,040 posts)Would be a great choice.
And I definitely agree VP needs to be a white male to balance it out. I say this as a woman of color.
Not just any white male.....from a swing state.
valleyrogue
(1,267 posts)Emile
(31,354 posts)Joinfortmill
(16,793 posts)Susan Calvin
(2,163 posts)I pine for the times when a much larger percentage of candidates were veterans. I think someone with a distinguished record of military service would be in an excellent position to eviscerate Trump and Vance.
global1
(25,990 posts)and Tr**p.
The replacement Dem ticket with a Woman, Black, Asian as the Prez and Pete B a Gay man as the VP.
Hey Tr**p can you pass this cognitive test:
Woman, Black, Asian, Gay, and a Loss!!!!
Littlered
(77 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(102,754 posts)The last word, I hope:
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Illinois
What an embarrassment of riches! I originally thought of going with Kenneth Allen, also known as the lawyer from all those Chicagoland-area billboards who wears a funny hat.
...
But then I remembered Harris opponent, Donald Trump, who is a felon. Apparently there is a subset of the American public that is more excited to vote for Trump because hes a felon. Thats a shame, not because I dont believe that felons deserve second chances, but because Trumps such a fake, new money, Johnny Come Lately felon. Back in my day, political felons were real salt of the Earth guys. They had style. They had panache. They looked like they came out of the womb doing white collar crimes. When they had the opportunity to appoint somebody to Barack Obamas Senate seat, they said cool things like Ive got this thing, and its f***** golden. You know who im talking about. My fellow Americans, your next Vice President, HONEST ROD BLAGOJEVICH!
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Indiana
Im going with John Mellencamp, though. He checks all the boxes.
Born in a small town? CHECK
Lives in a small town? CHECK
Had himself a ball in a small town? CHECK
Married an L.A. doll and brought her to that small town? CHECK
Was divorced by the aforementioned L.A. doll, which may raise questions about the universal appeal of small towns, but that part isnt in the song, damnit? UM, CHECK
Sometimes calls himself The Cougar? CHECK CHECK CHECK
I mean, case closed. And should Harris need somebody who can suck down chili dogs outside the Tastee Freeze while bemoaning that life after high school is just a depressing march to death and there will be no love like your first love, theres no other choice.
https://thewhitepages.substack.com/p/whats-this-kamala-harris-has-to-pick