Michael Moore really really really needs to shut up.

[Salvador Dolly]

Michael Moore: Biden resignation would help Harris beat Trump
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4785868-michael-moore-biden-resignation-kamala-harris-trump/

Director and activist Michael Moore argued Monday that it would be in the best interest of Vice President Harris’s campaign for President Biden to resign, leaving her the Oval Office.

...

When exactly did he go off the deep end?
Was it Fahrenheit 911?

[MineralMan]

1. I've been saying that for years.

[Cha]

34. And, it's been true for

For YEARS~

[Happy Hoosier]

2. He's wrong.

If Harris becomes Pres, she will have a SHIT TON on her plate.

But with Biden focusing on Presidenting, harris is free to campaign and organize. That's also a huge pile of work.

[republianmushroom]

7. Agree

[dalton99a]

14. +1. Biden is helping Harris as much as he can

[LiberalFighter]

19. Exactly

[Irish_Dem]

26. Yes she needs to focus on the campaign.

And it is humiliating for Biden to leave the White House now unless absolutely necessary.

[obamanut2012]

3. Oh look -- Mike Johnson becaomes President if something happens to Harris

Oh look, Mike Johnson refuses to certify the election results if Harris wins.

[oasis]

17. Exactamundo!!!

[returnee]

40. I don't think there is a role for the speaker...

…in the certification of the electors. Someone responded on my first post about this issue, that it may be the President pro tempore of the Senate who takes over in the absence of the/a VP.

[onandup]

43. He also counts the votes on January 6, 2025

nt

[ibegurpard]

4. How many times must it be said?

Biden resigning would leave us with no vice president. Republicans who control the House will NOT confirm anyone to replace Harris. Which leaves no VP to certify the election.

[patphil]

33. Unlike other confirmations, a new VP requires a majority vote of the House and Senate combined.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/constitutional-amendments-amendment-25-addressing-presidential-succession-process

Mike Johnson knows this, and knows that Republicans have enough votes to block any VP choice President Harris would put forth.
President Biden must finish his term to prevent a chaotic, and lengthy fight to get a new VP named.

[DFW]

67. This last happened in 1973 and 1974

After the resignations in disgrace of (first) Nixon’s VP Spiro Agnew in 1973, and then again in 1974 when Nixon himself also had to resign in disgrace.

Nixon picked Gerry Ford, a popular, personable Congressman from Michigan. Ford was well-liked by members of both parties, and acceptable to Democrats. Then, when it was Ford’s turn, he picked Nelson Rockefeller, the popular New York governor, who was richer than anyone who could possibly try to bribe him, and also a hell of a personable guy as well. Like Ford, he knew how to build bridges, not burn them.

Today’s Republicans don’t build bridges. They don’t even burn them. They use strategically placed bombs that not only destroy the bridges, but the foundations they were built on, and for good measure, they leave toxic waste on the site so that any workers sent to rebuild them die of poisoning first.

Mike Johnson would not only deny Kamala Harris a Vice-President of her choosing. He would deny her any Vice-President at all, so as to make it impossible for her to be formally elected next January.

That Johnson would try to get away with this obvious ploy should come as no surprise to anyone. That Michael Moore should join him is just a sad indication of how out of touch with reality Moore is. I don’t think it’s because he needs money and has let himself be bought by the Republicans. I think he has just grown too lazy to consider the consequences of what he is advocating. But whatever his reason for this, what he is advocating coincides with the disastrous Republican goal of throwing the election to the House delegations and making Trump president. For that simple reason, he deserves to be ignored as slightly irritating background noise. He has lost his right to be welcome on Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel. Let him go do Fox and Frauds instead.

[harumph]

5. SO many of these fuckers that were once "avatars" of the left...

Michael Moore, Matt Taibbi have very likely been paid off or are in the process IMO. Their opinions are garbage. I suspect that
Moore just wants to be relevant again so he says shit like this to get attention.

[keep_left]

32. It's really demoralizing: Moore, Taibbi, Chris Hedges...

...and too many others to mention. Even worse, Chris Hedges, as far as I know, is still on Putin's RT network!

I like Moore, even now, but his most recent hot takes have been really lame. No one should listen to him when it comes to anything except labor issues. What's that saying, "don't ever meet your heroes"? Maybe it should be "don't even get to know your heroes too well"!

[malaise]

6. He usually gets it right

including the 2022 mid terms
I remain a big fan

[lame54]

8. Sicko kicked off the health care debate...

Which lead to Obamacare

[malaise]

23. I have my own copies of all his documentaries

[lame54]

24. The Awful Truth...

Amazing tv show

[betsuni]

45. The health care debate has always been an issue. Clinton admin. tried in its first two years, next

Democratic admin. did too. Nothing to do with a documentary.

[lame54]

59. Disagree

[Renew Deal]

9. There are some Democrats that believe it is important because of the Lichtman keys to the white house

And that it would give her an incumbency advantage. I don't agree with this thinking.

[obamanut2012]

50. Yup, especially since she kinda is the incumbent

[Emile]

10. Republicans would make Trump VP

[lees1975]

11. They can't.

They don't have the votes in the Senate.

[Emile]

12. Johnson resigns his speakership and they vote Trump

to be the new speaker. Trump would be next in line for the presidency.

[DURHAM D]

13. Who gives a shit about him. He is soooo last century. nt

[Bucky]

15. I'm sure he means well, but Harris doesn't need the distraction

She needs to run 24-7-105, just like Trump and his deadbeat, do-nothing Senator Mini-me are doing.

[tinymontgomery]

16. Do young people today even know who this guy is or care? n/t

[coffeenap]

18. He is brilliant and we should listen

to him most of the time. But, not this time.

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. He needed to shut up 25 years ago

When he endorsed Nader over Gore

[Blue Full Moon]

21. Suspect it will happen.

Shouldn't be a surprise. That can of worms has been opened. The premise of removing him was he wasn't fit to run. Well, means not fit for the position he is already holding. Goes in the, what did they think was going to happen?

[delisen]

35. Totally illogical reasoning nt

[DemonGoddess]

22. shut yer yap

He's an irrelevant player at this time. A shit stirrer.

[haele]

25. He's a sundial. Right whenever the sun is out and weather is clear.

But totally in the dark when there's nuance or things don't fit his perception.
So he's useful sometimes. But not the majority of times. He's a talking head, after all.

Haele

[flying_wahini]

27. His ego is so big..... as big as his waistline.

I really do NOT want him on any MSNBC shows. At all. He is a blowhard that never shuts up;
considers himself an elder of Democratic Party. Well he’s not.

[MaineBlueBear]

28. luckily

People smarter than Mr Moore are in charge.

[sop]

29. When was the last time Moore said anything even remotely useful?

He and Carville should lock themselves in a room and bore one another to death.

[ImNotGod]

30. I replied to one of his deranged tweets last night telling him to stfu and quit giving stupid advice. nt

[orthoclad]

31. He's been right before

He called 2016.

[GaYellowDawg]

37. So he's your prophet now?

Just because he got 2016 right doesn't mean he's right now. Fuck Moore. President Biden has been a phenomenal President and asking him to resign would be shitting on his legacy. Republicans would immediately start screaming that everyone knew all along that the Biden presidency was a disaster and then paste it right onto Kamala. He's flat wrong on this one.

Plus, he's snide, egotistical, and even more convinced of his own brilliance than you are.

[orthoclad]

46. Don't put words in my mouth

An apology is in order, I think.

[GaYellowDawg]

47. OK

I apologize for putting words in your mouth. My opinion of Moore stands.

[2 Meow Momma]

36. Alan Lichtman said the same thing in early July.

He said it would preserve the incumbency key.

[fishwax]

38. that idea is misguided, but Moore is seriously hyping Harris and her campaign, so I don't see the cause for such outrage

That particular idea is misguided, for reasons that others have explained, but it hardly makes him the enemy.

[ChicagoRonin]

39. MM is neither a young man nor on the cutting edge

I actually like a lot of his movies, really enjoyed his show TV Nation back in the 90s.

I didn't always agree with him or his tactics, but I think he did play a strong part in providing a necessary voice for certain social issues. And the fact he chose an offbeat, humorous approach worked well. I wouldn't want everything to be that way, but I appreciate it. And when we look back on history, I think it will turn out he did inspire some good.

But he's 70 now. He can't play the role of angry young man or appeal to irreverant liberal hipsters. And it does get harder to keep up the times or have your finger on the pulse as you age. I'm only in my 50s, and I can feel it already.

And sometimes the world has simply moved past you. But it's hard when did enjoy a lot of attention for a period. He just hasn't figured out how to adjust or realize it.

[OnDoutside]

41. He'd be right if the Republicans didn't block Harris's VP pick. Unfortunately they won't, so there's no point.

[PhilosopherKing]

48. Agreed

If we had the house, it would be a good power move.

[PortTack]

53. Right...it also putts weasel johnson that much closer to the WH....no absolutely not!

[OnDoutside]

64. Weasel is such a good use of the word, to accurately describe Johnson !

[Goodheart]

42. An argument can be made for that. So, no, I won't be excoriating Michael Moore over it.

I'm not saying I'm in favor, but Kamala Harris as the incumbent President "normalizes" her, so to speak. Reluctant voters won't be thinking they're doing something radical by voting for her.

[ecstatic]

44. he's getting that from Allan Lichtman (Keys to the White House guy)

Now that Biden is not running, Lichtman believes that Democrats will have a better shot if Biden hands the White House over to Harris so she can retain the incumbency key.

[TheKentuckian]

49. I don't really think he is off the rails but circumstantially

this works better than a couple months of the mental feeling of incumbency to avoid dealing with no VP to certify the election and having to jump in and campaign her ass off.

Maybe if getting a VP in place wasn't so close to impossible or if it was for a longer period of time further from the election it might be worth it to get "proof of concept" but as is, there are too many balls.in the air with too little time to juggle them.

[Klarkashton]

51. It might have to do with the historical advantage of an incumbent.

?

[Bev54]

52. Except she too is an incumbent.

[DFW]

54. I wonder if Moore would say that if he knew that it would make Mike Johnson one heartbeat away from the preisdency?

If he DID'T know that, then Moore is being extremely ignorant.

If he DID know that, then his credentials as a Democrat (or progressive, or whatever he calls himself) are worthless at best, suspect at worst.

[betsuni]

66. He's not good with facts, gets carried away with emotion and "passion," revolutionary dreams.

[epreic01]

55. I disagree

I normally value Moores insight… However, I think if this happened I think it would be used against her in three ways:

1.) She didn’t “earn” the Presidency

2.) Biden wasn’t capable all along and everyone knew it.

3.) Anything that happened between now and Election Day would be catastrophized beyond belief.

Republicans are calling for him to resign for those reasons. It’s a bad move and I don’t trust it.

[Joinfortmill]

56. Shut up, Moore. Joe's gonna do some stuff.

[Tribetime]

57. Who's the only guy in worse shape than trump or steve bannon

[Galraedia]

58. Biden's resignation would take her away from campaigning, which is what republicans want

I see he also thinks Harris should immediately nominate Gov. Gretchen Whitmer as VP, which is a dumb idea this early and because she would do better with Josh Shapiro on the ticket. Pennsylvania and Illinois are tied at number 5 in the states with the most electoral votes behind California, Texas, Florida, and New York.

[Cha]

65. Thanks for all that.. I think the Ticket needs

Balance, too, with someone like Gov Shapiro.

And, I read Gov Whitmer says she's not going anywhere and has endorsed VP Harris..

[IbogaProject]

60. With an empty VP seat

The House won't approve anyone she'd pick.

[Captain Zero]

61. He is being sthupid

As VP until Jan 20, KH will run the peaceful transfer of power electoral certification on Jan6 much as Pence did in 2021.

If she is elevated to the presidency now, which some Republicans want, they will not approve a new vp for her. And if the Republicans win the Senate, Grassley or Hawley Will be running that. Or Rick Scott. Does Moore think they wouldn't handle that with all the corruption they could bring?

[markpkessinger]

62. Does he seriously expect Kamala . . .

. . . to take over the reins of the Presidency while trying to mount a presidential campaign? Get real, Michael Moore!

[BannonsLiver]

63. He alternates from cycle to cycle

In 2020 he was doing his optimist character. This cycle he’s doing his downer character. In 2028 he will switch back to optimist.