Oh no! Clutching my imaginary pearls. Kelly and Giffords are childless.
Gabby Giffords Rips Into J.D. Vance Over ‘Childless’ Comment: ‘Disgraceful’
Giffords and Kelly have previously opened up about their heartbreak at not having children after the 2011 attack near Tucson, Arizona.
“Of everything that changed that day—both of us halting our careers, the beginning of a long, difficult road to recovery—we also lost something we wanted very much: the opportunity to have a child together,” they wrote in a joint essay for People magazine earlier this year attacking moves to limit IVF access in Arizona.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gabby-giffords-rips-into-jd-vance-over-childless-comment-disgraceful
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I love my daughter and people love their kids but there is a cynical shared-experience joke amongst parents. We all know people or couples who don’t have kids. Friends neighbors coworkers. They talk about going here or there and there’s thought that’s maybe spoken or mumbled or it’s just a thought “Well, THEY don’t have kids” 
Or there’s someone let’s say at work “Doesn’t she look great?” says one woman …..I can look around the room at Moms and I can almost feel them thinking “Well, wait until SHE starts having kids”
Both are just funny asides to ourselves and a shared joke.
I get that this stuff Vance is saying is standard religious no divorce til death do us part go make more Christian soldiers thing but aren’t those people already in their camp? Maybe reports of low enthusiasm (e. g. SW Virginia) in their ranks are true. Don’t they have any kind of external sounding board to get SOME sort of perspective from outside the echo chamber?
We need to stick him with that because he is a weirdo with or without the couch. 