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Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 06:10 PM Aug 5

White males make up only 30% of the US population.

Americans currently live under minority rule

1. White men make up only 30% of the US population, however they hold 62% of all elected offices. (Some studies report white males hold up to 71% of elected offices.)

2. Women make up 51% of the US population, but only hold 31% of the elected offices.

3. People of color make up 40% of the US population, but hold only 13% of elected offices.

“I think if we saw these numbers in another country, we would say there is something very wrong with that political system,” said Brenda Choresi Carter. “We would say, ‘how could that possibly be a democratic system with that kind of demographic mismatch?’”


https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/555503-new-study-finds-white-male-minority-rule/
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White males make up only 30% of the US population. (Original Post) Irish_Dem Aug 5 OP
DuRec leftstreet Aug 5 #1
American Apartheid SomedayKindaLove Aug 5 #2
Certainly appears to be the case. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #7
I think POC should run for office in every race. jimfields33 Aug 5 #11
Women must run for office as well. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #17
Agree. jimfields33 Aug 5 #19
I think it might be that I_UndergroundPanther Aug 5 #28
Some of it is based on the realty they have had all the power for a very long time. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #29
Words have actual meaning. Let's not water down the terror of an apartheid state DFab420 Aug 5 #18
American women are terrified when thrown into hospital parking lots to die. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #23
But many, many of us are angry as hell. Nt Biophilic Aug 5 #33
Yes. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #37
Suggested edit: "1. White men make up only 30%..." RidinWithHarris Aug 5 #3
Merci Irish_Dem Aug 5 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author RidinWithHarris Aug 5 #5
There's still work to do. Power is not given, it has to be taken. brush Aug 5 #6
We may soon see a real life example of your statement. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #8
I added to my post that Hillary cracked the glass ceiling... brush Aug 5 #9
I love that visual metaphor. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #14
I identify as a Pinkish Gray male. multigraincracker Aug 5 #10
I usually vote for the person I think can best do the job bottomofthehill Aug 5 #13
Why have white males almost always been seen as the best candidate? Irish_Dem Aug 5 #21
The thing was, your points were once very true. mucholderthandirt Aug 6 #56
So you would vote for a Republican Dave says Aug 5 #22
If Donald Trump was a Democrat then yes, I would vote for the Republican. bottomofthehill Aug 5 #24
If Elephants had wings, they could fly. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 5 #51
I was answering the question directly above my answer... bottomofthehill Aug 5 #52
In my multi-verse, elephants do have wings and can fly, OAITW r.2.0 Aug 5 #54
Also, you don't walk in their flight path bottomofthehill Aug 6 #55
I thank God you do not identify as Clown Orange male. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #15
According to the 2020 census bottomofthehill Aug 5 #12
Latest US census figures 2023: 58% of the US population is white. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #16
58 is white non Hispanic. bottomofthehill Aug 5 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Aug 5 #35
The data has been consistent. Not sure what your point is. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #40
Yikes! Joinfortmill Aug 5 #20
The facts and data are real eye openers aren't they? Irish_Dem Aug 5 #27
These numbers tell us why Trump and Vance must attack women and POC. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #25
Indeed, the way things are trending Wednesdays Aug 5 #43
Yes indeed, the numbers tell the story. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #44
Which is why some of them are going with Trump. mucholderthandirt Aug 6 #57
I read that younger white men are turning away from the Democratic Party in greater numbers TheRealNorth Aug 5 #26
The facts tell the story. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #36
Power Concedes Nothing JustAnotherGen Aug 5 #30
Yes you are correct. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #38
"Rich, educated white guys make the best decisions." czarjak Aug 5 #32
Kamala... myohmy2 Aug 5 #34
Because "everyone" agreed the US was not ready for two women on the ticket. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #39
White men are elected to 62 - 71% of our elected offices because... BluesRunTheGame Aug 5 #41
But you seem to ignore systemic sexism. spooky3 Aug 5 #53
And in eight years it will be a lot less. republianmushroom Aug 5 #42
40% POC honestly sounds a bit high standingtall Aug 5 #45
The number is correct. Whites make up about 60% of the US population. . Irish_Dem Aug 5 #47
in 2020 when counting multi racial people who identified as white the number rises to 71% standingtall Aug 5 #48
Look at the data, the trend is clear. Irish_Dem Aug 5 #49
By 2060 we are going to change culturally even if the demographics do not standingtall Aug 5 #50
Simple fix! Abolishinist Aug 5 #46

jimfields33

(18,367 posts)
11. I think POC should run for office in every race.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 06:37 PM
Aug 5

That would definitely improve the percentage as many would win especially in blue and purple states.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,869 posts)
28. I think it might be that
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:37 PM
Aug 5

A bunch of rich white men are just narcissistic and think they are superior and think deserve to have power over others , especially republicans have that entitled mentality and if someone challenges them they get reactionary or act like victims.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
29. Some of it is based on the realty they have had all the power for a very long time.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:39 PM
Aug 5

So it is hard to share it.

This is clearly why the GOP is done with democracy.
They are not about to share power with anyone else.

DFab420

(2,951 posts)
18. Words have actual meaning. Let's not water down the terror of an apartheid state
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 07:47 PM
Aug 5

Just because we have a government that is lacking in representation

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
23. American women are terrified when thrown into hospital parking lots to die.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:15 PM
Aug 5

When told they must carry their rapist's baby.
Told they will have no access to birth control, no fault divorce and face travel bans.

We are watching a female presidential candidate called every name in the book.
Accused of things that are all lies.

Women are now second class citizens.

I assure you that women are terrified.

RidinWithHarris

(663 posts)
3. Suggested edit: "1. White men make up only 30%..."
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 06:15 PM
Aug 5

I know what you meant from your subject line, of course, but good to fix it anyway.

Response to Irish_Dem (Original post)

brush

(56,940 posts)
6. There's still work to do. Power is not given, it has to be taken.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 06:21 PM
Aug 5

Hillary cracked the glass ceiling, VP Harris is about to shatter it.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
21. Why have white males almost always been seen as the best candidate?
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:10 PM
Aug 5

White males are only 30% of the population but hold 72% of elected offices.

Why is this? What does the data tell us? Let's just look at the gender variable.

1. It cannot be that males are better educated than women.

-Women are now graduating from college in greater numbers than men.
-There are five million more women than men who have college degrees in the US.
-Women are earning more PhDs than males.

2. It cannot be that women lack experience.

-College educated women now outnumber males in the US workforce.

3. It cannot be that men are seen as more decent or moral than females.

-93% of all prison inmates are males.
-Almost all rapists and murderers are male.

So we have to wonder why males are seen as the best candidates most of the time.


https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/data-download/women-men-college-degrees-good-news-democrats-rcna100833

https://www.wiareport.com/2023/03/the-gender-gap-in-educational-attainment-in-the-united-states-3/

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/26/women-now-outnumber-men-in-the-u-s-college-educated-labor-force/

mucholderthandirt

(1,026 posts)
56. The thing was, your points were once very true.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:17 AM
Aug 6

I grew up in the 60s to 70s. Every face I saw, someone in an important position, was a white male for a goodly part of those decades.

1. They were.

2. They did lack experience in many areas.

3. Women would be hysterical in a crises, they can't lead.

Those were different times. Women didn't get the vote at all until a century ago, after black men. Women were restricted from many colleges and universities. They were restricted from many careers. They were basically the property of their father, and then their husband. For a long time women couldn't own property, or travel on their own.

It's easy today, when progress has been made, to forget that these were long, hard battles that sometimes took lives before changes came. Like slavery, women's rights were not easy wins. We're still in the fight for acceptance. It didn't end, it's morphed, in some ways we've gone backwards (Roe, for one).

bottomofthehill

(8,744 posts)
24. If Donald Trump was a Democrat then yes, I would vote for the Republican.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:32 PM
Aug 5

You should too. We are asking a lot of republicans to do this very thing.

I was a Mrs Clinton voter until President Obama was the nominee. To this day I have a hard time thinking of a more qualified candidate than she was. US Senator, Secretary of State, Attorney, First Lady with 8 years in the Whitehouse. Easily transitioned to President Obama who was not nearly as qualified in my opinion but had the qualifications necessary.

bottomofthehill

(8,744 posts)
52. I was answering the question directly above my answer...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:03 PM
Aug 5

By the way, just because an elephant has wings, it would not mean it could fly. There are many birds, think ostrich, emu and Kiwi. All birds with wings that can not fly.

bottomofthehill

(8,744 posts)
55. Also, you don't walk in their flight path
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 12:50 AM
Aug 6

If getting shit on by a bird is good luck, getting shit on by an elephant is a trip to the ER.

bottomofthehill

(8,744 posts)
12. According to the 2020 census
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 07:00 PM
Aug 5

Whites make up 75 percent of the population. That is white hispanic, not white non Hispanic. If you want to wil elections, you have to target the largest population and get the most votes you can out of it. That does not mean pander to it but meet them where they are. There are plenty of democratic leaning white males. Instead of poking them in the eye, let’s try to expand the base.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
16. Latest US census figures 2023: 58% of the US population is white.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 07:28 PM
Aug 5
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/population-estimates-characteristics.html#:~:text=At%20195%20million%20people%2C%20the,and%20Alaska%20Native%2C%200.3%25.

At 195 million people, the non-Hispanic White population had the largest share (58%) of the nation’s total population in 2023.

Perhaps you misunderstand how science works. Data, facts, evidence are not pejorative or subjective.
Data is neutral and points to the truth.

My OP is fact. We live under minority rule. The data tells us that.

If males feel the data is a "poke in the eye" perhaps they need to do some soul searching and look inward, instead of accusing and blaming others?

bottomofthehill

(8,744 posts)
31. 58 is white non Hispanic.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:45 PM
Aug 5

Many Hispanics consider themselves White this explains the question
White, then the check box
Non Hispanic
Hispanic

Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #31)

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
25. These numbers tell us why Trump and Vance must attack women and POC.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:32 PM
Aug 5

There is going to be a big power shift and they are running scared.

Wednesdays

(19,919 posts)
43. Indeed, the way things are trending
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 09:43 PM
Aug 5

Non-hispanic white males will be the minority in the House of Representatives by 2040, just 16 years from now. (The Senate may take a bit longer, but not by much.)

mucholderthandirt

(1,026 posts)
57. Which is why some of them are going with Trump.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:27 AM
Aug 6

He's promised the white Christian minority eternal dominance. We must defeat him now, this election, or we may never have another chance. They like to spout "civil war", but that's what it would take to get this kind of fascist monster out of our government.

It will be an eternal fight, probably. Never rest, never assume people who think like that are gone. They should never have gotten this far, but people ignored their working from dog catcher and up. See how that worked? We took our eye off the ball. Who cares about the local school board? Who cares about the city council, the country commission? Those people can't do much.

The thing is, those people got experience. They collected backers. And then they were in the state houses and senates, the governorships, the courts and then into the Federal congress, and eventually into the White House.

This must be stopped. Never again someone like Trump, even the sneaky ones, like Reagan. And we can't assume Democrats are safe, because we've seen turncoats, those who aren't what they seem. We even have a name for them: DINO, Democrat in name only. That's not a cute meme, it should serve as another warning.

Eternal vigilance, eternal war for democracy. It's been said, democracy is the worse form of government, except for all the others. We have our choice, let's fight for it.

TheRealNorth

(9,628 posts)
26. I read that younger white men are turning away from the Democratic Party in greater numbers
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 08:35 PM
Aug 5

And Black and Latino men are too. But yeah, let's play identity politics cause that worked so well in 2016.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
36. The facts tell the story.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 09:00 PM
Aug 5

I am not playing identity politics.

I am reporting the truth, facts and evidence.

The facts are clear, white males have insisted on minority rule.

But they will be losing power due to the demographics and there is nothing they can do about it.

This is why the GOP is done with democracy.
They cannot stay in power based on voters.

This is why they must demonize women, POC, LGBT.

They are afraid of losing power.

White males can join the GOP all they want.
It will not change the reality heading their way in the next two decades.

BluesRunTheGame

(1,776 posts)
41. White men are elected to 62 - 71% of our elected offices because...
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 09:16 PM
Aug 5

… people are voting for them. It’s not a conspiracy. Where compelling women and minorities run for office, they are doing pretty well. It’s somewhat difficult to unseat a decent incumbent so the process takes a while. We are waiting for people to retire or die. It gets better every election cycle.

spooky3

(35,814 posts)
53. But you seem to ignore systemic sexism.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:06 PM
Aug 5

There is a ton of research on this. If people in a society see women as a group as “less than” men, it’s going to be harder for equally qualified (or better) female candidates to win. H. Clinton was just one of many examples of this. And we have evidence of many factors that have led people in the US to continue to hold biases, many of which are unconscious.

There is also evidence that women candidates in general have more difficulty than do men in raising campaign money.

standingtall

(2,887 posts)
45. 40% POC honestly sounds a bit high
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 09:52 PM
Aug 5

and there are just as many and probably more white women and they tend to vote for white men. Although there is workto do like winning this election, but no those numbers wouldn't be unusual in many countries unless we are going to pretend white men have no mothers.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
47. The number is correct. Whites make up about 60% of the US population. .
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:05 PM
Aug 5

In 2010 the US white population was 71%.
2020 about 60%.

2060 is projected US white population at 45%.

This is why the GOP is hysterical and forcing white women to give birth.
Ending abortion and birth control.

standingtall

(2,887 posts)
48. in 2020 when counting multi racial people who identified as white the number rises to 71%
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:23 PM
Aug 5

and I doubt it's dropped by 11% in 3 or 4 years. Even if those projections hold at 45% by 2060 that will likely still be the largest plurality and by 2060 there is a good chance many of us won't still be alive anyway and very few people currently in Government will still be around by then.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
49. Look at the data, the trend is clear.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:31 PM
Aug 5

Trends and population projections are not based on whether you or I will be alive next year.

Science is about making specific and general predictions for the good of those who come after us.

It is not always about us and our personal interests.

The data is showing a profound change in American culture and politics.
It is not about us.

standingtall

(2,887 posts)
50. By 2060 we are going to change culturally even if the demographics do not
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:40 PM
Aug 5

Scenic predictions 36 years away are not reliable. There are too many unknown and unforeseen circumstances that can and will happen.

Abolishinist

(1,798 posts)
46. Simple fix!
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:01 PM
Aug 5

All Democrats in Congress who happen to be white males should refuse to run for office in 2026, stating that our outdated system of American Apartheid MUST come to an end!

I realize we can't get the R's to do this, but no matter, the numbers will be there in the end!

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