Sorry Claire, you're wrong.

[bluesbassman]

Just now on Morning Joe, Claire McCaskill commented that her only critique of the Harris/Walz rally last night was that they didn’t spend any/enough time praising President Joe Biden and the job he’s done. I strongly disagree with Claire on this. First let me say that I have always supported and believed in President Biden, would have absolutely voted for him had he stayed in the race, and feel, he is competent to do the job. He stepped down though, and the torch has been passed. Kamala has taken up the task beautifully and her choice for VP was inspired. The campaign is surging forward with momentum not seen since 2008, and it is because it is looking forward. Now is not the time to be invoking the accomplishments of President Biden, looking backward. There will be plenty of opportunity for the Harris/Walz ticket to weave into the conversation what Biden did and started, and how they will move those things forward, but for now, especially to energize the young voters, they need to focus on the present and future, not the past, great as it has been.

[Vinca]

1. I agree. The night was about Harris/Walz. There is plenty of time to pay tribute to Biden.

There always seems to be a skunk at the party.

[hadEnuf]

43. Biden has fought Trump and the MAGATs in the trenches. He has made it possible for Harris to pick up the torch.

Harris is free enough from the carnage to offer a fresh and hopeful message for the country and people are responding to it.

People are starting to get tired of the constant hate from Trump and the MAGATs.

[KS Toronado]

74. This OP is based on a lie or exaggeration

See #71 at the bottom, asked the poster in a private email to correct the misinformation they received
but I see no movement in that regards. Anybody with a DVR can go to today's Morning Joe and go to
the one hour & 41 minute mark to see what she actually said.

[KS Toronado]

81. Here's what she actually said, 35:50 min mark, there was no skunk

[Think. Again.]

2. Well said.

[Lonestarblue]

3. The Democratic Convention is the place to honor President Biden.

Last night was about Harris and introducing Walz to voters. And they did a fantastic job.

[DemonGoddess]

19. And we certainly will

honor our President. He has done, and continues to do, a fantastic job.

[PatSeg]

33. It wouldn't have hurt to mention that job last night

It is a reflection on the vice president as well as the president and to not mention it at all, it could be taken to mean that a President Harris is not going to continue with those successful policies.

It really stood out to me as if the Biden administration was already history and I wondered if it was an indication that the progressive agenda was possibly also history.

[Random Boomer]

50. Wait, what?

So Harris is up there talking about universal healthcare, unions, daycare, lowering prices, bolstering the middle class, protecting women's right to their own bodies, LGB+ rights.... and you think she's dropped the progressive agenda?

[PatSeg]

70. No, I don't believe she is dropping

a progressive agenda, but I am just bewildered that she didn't mention what the Biden-Harris administration has accomplished, which to me is huge. So essentially, it almost felt like she was walking back from what all they have done. Sorry, I didn't phrase that very well, it was more the impression that she gave, not necessarily reality.

Anyway, I think it would behoove Harris to take advantage of the incredible record of the current administration. Surely that must be seen as a political advantage. I know candidate Biden mentioned Obama a lot when he was running for president in 2020.

[KS Toronado]

82. Here's Claire's actual comment about Biden, 35:50 min mark

[Casandia]

4. I agree too

I feel that the upcoming convention will appropriately honor Biden

[Irish_Dem]

5. Yes the point of the rally was to roll out Walz.

It was his night and Kamala's.

The whole message is about going forward.

Biden can be honored at the convention.

[yorkster]

6. Joe Biden will be speaking on the first night of the convention,

so there's that. I do think a a brief nod/thank you would have been in order, but there will be a real acknowledgment at the convention.

[Autumn]

7. If it wasn't enough to suit her she should quit complaining and do it herself.

This even was about Kamala and Tim. Biden will get his honors.

[KS Toronado]

84. OP was a little misleading here's what she actually said, 35:50 min mark

[Baitball Blogger]

8. I disagree.

Joe Biden had a remarkable record and you're now suggesting we should bury that under the rug? The Democratic voter will always vote for the Democratic candidate. We're trying to convince non-Democrats that we're moving in the right direction and you're suggesting to start Kamala in a void? She was also part of the Biden success, so I don't see how you can divorce the two. If you're trying to reel in young voters, wouldn't you want to point out the student loan forgiveness that helped so many?

Many people said that one of the mistakes that Gore made was trying to distance himself from Clinton because of the Lewinsky matter. If the previous president has a good record, you have to ride the positive wave. President Biden will still be president until January. Don't be in such a hurry to bury him.

Edited to point out that I'm not talking about one night. Fine with me if last night was about Harris/Walz. But the original poster sounds like he supports "moving forward" in a way where he would be happy to ignore Biden for much longer.

[SocialDemocrat61]

11. Elections are about the future

not the past.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. Just saying, it did not work for Gore.

From my standpoint, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[TwilightZone]

21. BIg difference between the two.

Gore intentionally distanced himself fully from Clinton and largely ignored the legacy they had built.

Harris isn't distancing herself from Biden or his/their legacy in the least. She has been quite effusive in her praise of him and that is unlikely to change.

Apples and oranges.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. You can't have it both ways in a debate.

This discussion was about "moving forward" and presumably, distancing Kamala/Walz from Biden in order to avoid putting off the young, among other things.

I trust that Harris will show more wisdom than those on DU who are proposing such nonsense.

[SocialDemocrat61]

44. Maybe we should wait and see

before jumping to conclusions. She has already praised Biden at several events. But last night was about introducing Tim Walz. Campaigns need to be about the future, mentioning Joe Biden at every event is not necessary.

[Trueblue Texan]

18. I have heard Kamala Harris take moments out of her interviews and rallies to praise Joe Biden...

I don’t think she is one to forget the ones that helped her get where she is…I certainly see no evidence of that. But I don’t think last night was appropriate to talk about Biden. It was about the Harris-Walz campaign. One of the best ways we can honor Biden’s service to our nation is to elect a president that will preserve his accomplishments.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. No one is going to be bothered about one night.

[PatSeg]

27. My thoughts as well

After all the progress that was made during the last 3 1/2 years, I would think there would be some reference to the accomplishments of the current administration. Not mentioning it all left a bad taste in my mouth.

Are they saying they are not going to continue with many of the policies and goals of the Biden-Harris administration?

[Baitball Blogger]

28. At this point I'm willing to give them a night, in the hope that it doesn't become a trend.

[PatSeg]

35. And hopefully some people don't try to read between the lines

But if nothing else, it was bad manners.

[Baitball Blogger]

38. Agree.

[bluesbassman]

48. Where did I say we "should bury that under the rug"?

In fact, what I did say was "there will be plenty of opportunity for the Harris/Walz ticket to weave into the conversation what Biden did and started, and how they will move these things forward.

What they need to distance themselves from is not Joe Biden, it's Trump-Biden. And they have done that masterfully by not riding on Joe's coat tails. People, especially young people, were sick to death of the "two old guys" fighting it out. Why on earth, when there's been a fresh start, would the campaign want to keep THAT debate alive by invoking Biden now?

I believe they will give Joe every and all accord he's due, at the proper time. Now just isn't that time.

[Baitball Blogger]

67. You also said this:

"He stepped down though, and the torch has been passed. Kamala has taken up the task beautifully and her choice for VP was inspired. The campaign is surging forward with momentum not seen since 2008, and it is because it is looking forward. Now is not the time to be invoking the accomplishments of President Biden, looking backward."

It definitely sounds like you are not interested ON BUILDING on the momentum he created. I am not interested in the kind words you might say at a eulogy. I think it's better to take what he did right and build on it.

We always seem to want to run away from the past, like we have to be defensive about a Democratic president's term in office.

It is not always a good idea to turn your back on the past. But we do it, to our detriment. I didn't even agree with Obama's Forward position, which always looked to the future, instead of investigating the past to determine what exactly happened with the W/Cheney's incompetent reaction to 9/11. If we had taken the offensive, maybe the Republicans wouldn't have been so successful at putting him on his heels, where he was making decisions that would placate them.

[bluesbassman]

69. Yes, and I stand by that statement because we need to press forward without the baggage of the past.

Now that baggage is both good and bad, and as I've made clear there will be opportunity to celebrate and embrace the good, but we need to move forward hard and ride the momentum that has taken place. Trump and MAGA are on the ropes and we cannot give them any quarter to take any of that momentum away. Bringing Biden into the conversation right now only allows the Trump team to keep HIM in the conversation as They frame it, and keeps the Harris/Walz team on defense instead of pushing forward and reaching out to all potential voters.

[OnDoutside]

9. It was deliberate, but not in a bad way.

[SocialDemocrat61]

10. That's rich coming from McCaskill

In 2013, she declared support for Hillary Clinton running for President, long before Clinton even became a candidate. And McCaskill’s declaration helped to block Biden from running then. After the debate, she was a harsh critic of Biden, even went on Meet the Press to say Gavin Newsom would be a better candidate.

[spooky3]

61. Yes, I usually enjoy her comments but was appalled at

Her treatment of Biden this year after the debate.

[SocialDemocrat61]

64. To be honest

I haven’t liked her for a long time. When she was a Senator she would regularly go on morning joke after they spent the previous hour trashing President Obama and she never said one word to push back on their attacks. She would just yuk it up with them about sports and other silly stuff. Now she’s MSNBC resident democrat who attacks democrats.

[TommieMommy]

12. Sorry Claire

That rally was to introduce Tim Walz and to let everyone know who this amazing man is and I think they did a wonderful job 👏 love them ❤️

[Emile]

22. Claire who ran as a middle of the road moderate giving political advice is hilarious.

[Cha]

85. Clair's in Missouri so

That makes sense. She lost against a a lying R.

Not defending her statement on MJ.

[PatSeg]

24. It wouldn't have hurt to mention his name

He is still President and without Joe, there would have been no Harris-Walz.

[Skya Rhen]

13. Claire is not saying this in good faith - she was one of his leading media bullies

up until the time he decided to no longer go forward. She is a troublemaker and not very nice. IMO

[Raven123]

29. I agree that Claire is unworthy of criticizing the rally for not mentioning Biden

1) This was a going forward moment.
2) She was a leader of the Biden should quit movement. Politically speaking, she operates from a very superficial perspective

[Johnny2X2X]

14. It's a calculated move

And Biden probably helped develop it. Harris-Walz can distance themselves slightly from Biden and it gives them a really cool hand to play. Basically, they can pick and choose what to take credit for and what to not take blame for. Afghanistan pull out? Not Harris. Job growth? Harris. Border problems? Harris was not in fact the border czar. Insulin capped at $35? All Harris's doing according to Biden. . And on and on.

It's the sweet spot to be in. Biden has an incredible record that Harris was a huge part of, she can pick and choose what to take credit for now.

[Trueblue Texan]

15. I don't care what traitor Claire has to say anyway...

…she was the first one to turn on Biden. I cannot forget that.

[XanaDUer2]

39. Me either nt

[IronLionZion]

17. We can honor President Biden at our convention

highlighting his accomplishments and lifetime of service, and how Harris-Walz will continue some of it but do some new things too.

[PatSeg]

23. Actually, I had a similar reaction to Claire

The absence of any mention of Biden at all was striking. Later I watched Lawrence O'Donnell and he started off in his intro with praise for President Biden, which I thought was very appropriate.

As Lawrence made clear, last night would not have happened without Joe, yet no one thought to say his name as if he no longer existed.

[live love laugh]

26. Had she done what McCaskill suggests they would say Harris has done nothing.

They will criticize no matter what she does so they can go to hell.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. That can wait for the Democratic Convention in Chicago.

Heartfelt and comprehensive. Then look towards the future.

[returnee]

31. The less prominent Biden is....

…the less Trump has to attack. They will get to talking about Biden at the right time and place.

[Self Esteem]

32. Claire was right.

It's unusual.

I expected Harris to acknowledge her role as VP under Biden.

Here is what Biden said about serving with Obama in 2020 when he announced Harris:

When I agreed to serve as President Obama’s running mate, he asked me a number of questions, as I’ve asked Kamala, but the most important was he asked me, what I wanted most importantly. I told him I wanted to be the last person in the room before he made important decisions. That’s what I asked Kamala, I asked Kamala to be the last voice in the room, to always tell me the truth, which she will, challenge my assumptions if she disagrees, ask the hard questions because that’s the way we make the best decisions for the American people.

And this is what Harris said about Obama:

We all remember that pandemic, but you know what happened then? Barack Obama and Joe Biden did their job.

He inherited the longest economic expansion in history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-speech-transcript-august-12-first-campaign-event-as-running-mates

So, yeah, it was a bit unusual that Biden got zero recognition during the moment.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. I didn't see it

And I'm strong defender of President Biden. Love him to bits and pieces!

But - this is about the future.

I also need to note -McCaskill was a loud amplifier of Joe must step down.

She doesn't get to have it both ways. That's not the way it works.

[Cha]

86. Right.. well said. And

I saw neither.. just from reading DU about it. Now that PJB has stepped aside she wants to criticize VP Harries who supported him staying?!

TY 🕯️🕊️💙🕯️🌈

[Oopsie Daisy]

36. She's lost the plot! This wasn't about Joe. This was the Kamala & Tim show.

There will be PLENTY of time later to pay tribute, to honor, and to say thank-you and farewell to Joe Biden. LAST NIGHT WAS NOT THE TIME!

McCaskill was DEAD WRONG on that point. She needs to STFU and go sit in the corner with her wet blanket.

[Bucky]

58. You can disagree with McCaskill without the scorn

She does NOT "need to shut the fuck up." This form of intolerance of other Democrats' views when they don't even harm you or the party one damn bit does a lot more harm to us than one voice on one talk show expressing an opinion you disagree with.

Enbiggen the tent, Daisy. Stop attacking Democrats

[Oopsie Daisy]

62. Yes she does. This type of nitpicking that she's indulging in does NOT help.

Second-guessing VP Harris in such a public and know-it-all way, and at this particular moment was POOR JUDGEMENT on her part, Bucky.

McCaskill was not musing among friends in a private conversation in her home. She's planting seeds of doubt and questioning VP Harris' decision-making and planning abilities. She's giving the RW pundits more ammo for their attacks. Why would she do this? How does this help anything.

Yes. She DOES need to STFU and keep her whining negativity to herself. This is NOT the place and NOT the time for anyone to piss in champagne fountain or to drop a deuce in the punch bowl. She should know better than that.

>> Stop attacking Democrats
Yes... put that in an email and send it to McCaskill. Thank you.

[Hope22]

37. Ummm....Biden's accomplishments are made in hand with Harris.

I didn’t hear all of the rally but she could have mentioned the president. A book will come out one day on how all of this transpired. For the life of me I don’t understand how this was not decided behind closed doors as all important Dem decisions have been made for years. Not bashing in any way. Biden isn’t dead or out of office. He’s still here working his butt off for the American people. Harris Walz is the future standing on a Biden Harris foundation.

[Clouds Passing]

40. After all the time, Claire spent smearing the shit out of President Biden...

The Democratic Party needs to be done with her. She’s a turncoat. I’m ashamed as hell of voting for her. Go climb under a rock Claire and don’t come out.

[librechik]

41. Claire has been a disappointment. I see her post debate hysteria s as the catalyst to drop Biden

However it has worked out spectacularly somehow.

I forgive Claire. She needs a nice long vacation with lots of mimosas. If she's into that.

Or a nap. Or lots of of cats.

[Mysterian]

42. Somebody said something on TV

Not a big deal, really.

[Cosmocat]

45. It isn't binary

It stuck out to me that no one gave Joe a tip of the cap.

Just a quick shout out, giving him a nod as a PA son who stepped up to beat Trump and then selflessly passed the torch to give us the best chance at beating him again.

Crowd would have LOVED it.

[AlexSFCA]

46. we are moving on. We praised Biden enough. Now on to the next generation of leader.

It’s not politically smart to anchoring ourselves to the past.

[NoMoreRepugs]

47. Dems do LOVE to parse everything don't they? Gotta believe it didn't bother JoeB one bit.

[Magoo48]

49. Agreed.

How can anybody snivel about this dynamic pair of Dem candidates?

They were both respectful and appreciative for Joe,s leadership.

[Historic NY]

51. Its time for Harris and Waltz

to stand.

[Silent Type]

52. If that is only criticism McCaskill has, then yesterday was a resounding success.

[Polly Hennessey]

53. Claire is often wrong. 😑

[dlk]

54. It's possible to do both

A shout out to President Biden who, after all, made last night possible, would have been the gracious thing to do.

[ampm]

55. Wrong again

I have listened to her and she reminds me of a blue-dog Democrat

[Bucky]

56. They have a great record to run on, but elections are about the future

Joe will be swimming in praise at the convention.

[Wingus Dingus]

57. Harris/Walz is a separate enterprise from Biden/Harris.

It's a spinoff show. Biden wouldn't expect the VP introduction rally to be about him.

[ananda]

59. Agree. Actually, I didn't even think of that.

Claire is stirring up a pot that is simmering behind the scenes
nicely.

Biden will get his due. I'm not worried about that at all.

[AncientOfDays]

60. A lot of people

just don't want to give credit to a woman.

[Attilatheblond]

63. Big Biden fan and I wax poetic about the man and his contributions to the US & World. I am grateful to him for so much.

But the Introduction Tour for the Harris/Walz campaign HAS to be about moving forward, not looking back. I mean, Claire, really... it's the whole theme for this battle that we have to win.

If Biden can be big enough to step back from the spotlights and just get on with the work he has at hand, and he is that big, we can be big enough to not grumble about time marching on.

Biden will be remembered as the GOAT. His place in history will never be enough to adequately acknowledge and thank him for a life dedicated to service to all of us rather than himself. But it seems likely the man is big enough to know he did his best and that he saved his beloved nation, and the people beyond our borders, at a time we needed him most. And he is wise enough to understand that time happens and at some point, each of us must look to what will be ahead without us.

Service to others, and good parenting, is a lot like gardening. You prepare the soil, watch over the seeds sown, try to keep the weeds and pests from doing too much damage, revel in the glory that is the bloom, take pride in the fruit, and know you must leave the garden to winter in the proper time. You know that conditions change and one must adapt to protect the garden and keep it productive.

Claire is a wonderful person, but we all drag our feet when we see that our winter is coming. There is joy in Indian Summer, but the chill comes as the earth rotates and shifts.

[milestogo]

65. That's kind of ironic coming from her.

She was hysterical about Biden's age after the debate. Unwatchable.

[dem4decades]

66. I didn't hear her say that it should have been more about Biden but

That he should have been given some more love.

Didn't have a problem with that, the rally was a huge success, next week there'll be time for Joe and then, boom, Harris/Walz take off.

Again

[yellowcanine]

68. They will give Biden his due at the convention.

People need to lay off on the advice. You got something to say...

[KS Toronado]

71. Used my DVR to catch the conversation this OP is about

" Claire McCaskill commented that her only critique of the Harris/Walz rally last night was that
they didn’t spend any/enough time praising President Joe Biden"

All I seen her say was " I wish they would have mentioned Biden." Claire was not putting Kamala or Walz
down or attempting to turn the conversation to Biden, simply "I wish they would have mentioned Biden."
She never said "they didn’t spend any/enough time praising"

We should not be putting words in the mouths of Democrats that are untrue, that's what FQX does.

Thought we had a rule about not bashing Democrats, I believe this breaks that rule and hope the poster
corrects the OP as to they received bad information about what Claire McCaskill actually said.

[bluesbassman]

72. Excuse me? How did I "bash" McCaskill?

I can disagree with any Democrat I want, up to and including President Joe Biden and the day disagreeing with them becomes “bashing” on this board is the day you’ll see my tail lights for the last time. Bashing! Pfttt!

[KS Toronado]

73. It's in the terms of service

Putting words in their mouths they did not say I believe might break that rule. You can disagree with
any Democrat you want, but have you told the truth yet about exactly what she said?
And I said might not does! What Terms of Service rule does lying come under?

[bluesbassman]

75. Oh now you're accusing me of lying. First bashing, now lying. Hey, why don't you alert and see what that gets you.

Otherwise quit bothering me, I don't have the time or bandwidth for you today.

[KS Toronado]

77. In the private email I sent you I said

"Figured you received some bad info, hope you correct the OP. " You have had plenty of time to correct
the misinformation you posted and haven't, beginning to think someone doesn't like Claire McCaskill,
I've always enjoyed her comments on MSNBC.

Misinformation & disinformation are related to lies IMO. and what you posted about her is a lie because
she never said what you claim she said.

Hey, why don't you alert and see what that gets you.

[bluesbassman]

79. I really don't care what you figure or don't. I also don't care what you think of Claire.

That’s your business. I know what she said today and I made my case. You don’t like how I reported her time on the TV today, make your case and move on. But don’t threaten me with TOS rules that don’t apply to a long gone Senator who now makes a living as a talking head who actually does bash current elected Democrats from time to time.

[KS Toronado]

80. Here's what she said 35:50 min mark

Want to continue to disparage me?

[bluesbassman]

87. Ok you've worn me out, I have no more energy to mess around with you today.

Go in peace, your Claire is a saint and can do no wrong. I will point out her failings no more. Good bye.

[yorkster]

76. Well, Kamala just thanked Joe in her Eau Claire

rally speech and the audience started a brief chant of "Thank you Joe, thank you Joe".
So, that was nice.

[tavernier]

78. Yep, and I wondered if it was a nod to Claire,

who iMO was was correct to point that out.

I think in the excitement and nerves of the rollout it was overlooked yesterday, but nicely corrected today.

[JI7]

83. Joe Biden has been and will continue to be praised many times but he is still President

It's not over for him yet.

The rallies are about getting excitement so we can win the election.

[mamajudi]

88. 100 per cent...

I thought the same thing. And Kamala did address him early on today. Yesterday was about introducing her running mate.